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Scunnymatt, I’m you’ve read my offering above your post. I also pin the blame on Swann…not hard to see who’s at fault.
It was either last week or the week before, Swann came on the radio pre match and knew a hell of a lot about how we were going to play.
I suspect other parties down at the club may have a hand in team matters. I’m not saying they do by any means, but, it’s what I’ve been suspecting now for quite some time.
I’ve had my fill of Swann now to be honest.
Ideally we stay up by the skin of our teeth this coming season and he waves by to the club. In my eyes he’s the catalyst for all the bullshit. We need a chairman to come in, in the mould of Wharton who employ good honest people and let’s them do their jobs.
This is all I ask for. No bullshit with club employees signing players..just a steady chairman who takes care of the business side of things and stays in the background.
Until we get that, we’re never going to move forward as a club…it’s need completely restructuring and returning to how it used to be under Wharton.
I don’t hate Swann by any means but my club means more to me than he does and I feel he’s the one who’s front and centre of all the bullshit. I was hoping things would have changed this season and he would have learnt his lesson but yet again a mixed bag of completely the wrong players signed by people who have no real idea.
We have an extremely worrying unbalanced squad with little to no experience with an inexperienced manager to boot. I suppose we had to go down that route though because what experienced manager would have come here with other people signing all the players and pre appointing a captain ?
Cox isn’t even really here as a manager, he’s here really as a caretaker.
I’m sick to death of it all.
Disagree. Salford owners probably saw the rot setting in and got rid. By the sounds of it, Alexander’s negativity has got him the sack again, he did the same here.
Did really well but the wheels were clearly falling off and he got ultra negative which in turn made us even worse. Alexander got booted out of Fleetword for the same…started off well and then the wheels fell off towards the end and was fired.
Maybe that’s just him…get’s so far but is unable to get make that final step as manager to get a team promoted. I still don’t forget how negatively he set us up at the play off match at home, once he made subs and put the more positive players on we absolutely battered them last 20 minutes.
I firmly believe if he showed more bravery we would have gave them a good hiding.
We’ve had decent loan players in the past, Lolley comes to mind who was genuinely talented who never really got a chance.
The big difference is when Wharton was chairman he employed good, honest people in key positions and let them do their job while keeping in the background. A simple formula that worked.
Swann came in ripped the infrastructure apart and put the Swann family front and center of all things Scunthorpe United.
What chairman in their right mind signs players off their own back “including a RB who’s a perma crock” who he decides to make club captain..surprise, surprise the player of real experience is injured.
We have a squad now that’s about as unbalanced as a squad I’ve seen for many years and the glaring problems we had last season “lack of a spine” still haven’t been addressed.
Club now has 4 defensive midfielders , 5 wingers and a raft of strikers with no real proven track record “besides Van Veen and to some extent Olomola.
This is the worse squad in terms of balance I think we’ve ever had. This has been the result of this fecking committee down at GP playing real life Football Manager with the club signing players when they have no real idea who we really need for this level of football.
We’ve been down this road before with Swann. This is just who he is. Post covid, once things stabilize..Swann needs to move on.
Let’s not beat around the bush here, Swann is the problem and the catalyst really for all the clubs misgivings.
Complete and utter mess. It’s been stated time and time again that he needs to keep his nose out of the footballing side and let the manager come in and sign his own players, he has no idea what he’s doing but he can’t help himself.
The club is arguably in a much worse position now than when he came here…it’s a complete and utter mess. I’m all for youth been giving a chance but to go down that route with little to no experience with an inexperienced manager is just reckless.
If Rowe is fit and we start Onariase we might only lose 2-0 instead of 4.
I don’t think it’s so much a case of all the central midfielders being poor, it’s just a very poor balance. Beestin, Hornshaw, Vincent and Spence are all defensive midfielders. Pugh and Raynner silva are both kids so there’s only Taylor who is something different but he’s even more suited playing in the no 10 role.
Throw into the mix we have an abundance of wide players. This is what you get when you have your chairman and whoever else keep picking players. A daft, unbalanced squad.
October 10, 2020 at 8:40 pm in reply to: The Lineup I’d Like To See. (Or something pretty close.) #195662I suggest you need to see the FGR thread…you’re reading things I haven’t even written. Maybe that’s an age thing.
“stick Olomola upfront”
“We really do need Clarke, Mcgahey and Olomola back though before long.”Look, I’m trying to manage your expectations here. A fit Olomola will not save our season, I wish it were that simple.
I never stated it would be that simple, neither did I say Olomola would save our season. I don’t know where you’ve read that.
We need experience badly. Clarke, McGahey and Olomola would provide that. I would gladly throw Van Veen in the mix but he’s a fair bit away.
Those 3 with Onariase would help massively.
October 10, 2020 at 8:29 pm in reply to: The Lineup I’d Like To See. (Or something pretty close.) #195656I’d stick Taylor next to Spence we can’t keep playing Vincent and Spence as the two CM’s…no cutting passes, zero creativity and play far too slow.
Rowe will be back by next game..so he can go RB. Onariase has to come in for Cordner. Bedeau’s dodgy as well but Cordner after that offering needs taking out.
4/5 weeks down the line I’d stick McGahey in as well in place of Bedeau and hopefully Clarke will be back before then as well.
I’d go next match with
O’Malley Onariase Bedeau Rowe
Eisa Spence Taylor Gillead
Olomola Jarvis
Fingers crossed Olomola get’s his fitness up. I’d give Jarvis another go… when he actually got service he looked a good enough player. Good finish as well.
I felt a bit sorry for him, besides the first 15 minutes he had zero service. I’d like McAtee up there but the only problem I have with Cox playing him is that due to his negative nature, he’ll have him playing the no 10 role way back from whoever the central striker is.
I suppose if he played Olomola and Jarvis/Loft….least we’d have 2 actual strikers playing.
We’re crying out for experience.
I’d stick Onariase in right now alongside Bedeau for the time being until McGahey is back. Clarke at RB and stick Olomola upfront with Loft or whoever else.
O’Malley Onariase Mcgahey Clarke…..suddenly an experienced back line becomes a lot more battle hardened. That’s obviously some time away yet.
Vincent and Spence for me are both worrying me…they’re too alike and we have zero creativity from the center of the pitch. I’d pick Spence over Vincent and play Taylor alongside him.
We really do need Clarke, Mcgahey and Olomola back though before long. Onariase needs to be in right now though. Cordner and Bedeau were both sub part but Cordner despite his size is a pussy cat, he got absolutely rag dolled all over the place.
No aggression, No battle qualities…Matt absolutely murdered him. Never have I seen a CB with such size play so passively.
I couldn’t quite believe what I was watching at times. I remember Crosby, Stephen Foster in their pomp and now you look at these two and you think what the feck are these two doing.
Cordner today was especially shocking….absolutely pathetic.
I’d like a reflective pin badge on Terry Barwick to finish off my shrine but not been able to locate one !
I can’t believe what I’m reading. This is a player who clearly has a bad attitude and has done very little for us…couple that with the fact he more than likely has an issue with alcohol and he acts like an irresponsible idiot off the pitch.
As cassidy stated, he should have fessed up and told the club what the hell was going on. This doesn’t reflect well on the club.
Look up what he did at Crewe, he got pissed as a fart then and climbed a tree taunting police officers even back then.
All this “oh he has issues”..you’re right he has but he’s clearly not done anything to rectify them. I think giving up alcohol might be a start and knuckling down and working hard to give something back to the fans may be another thing he could/should have done.
“Imagine the mental stress of hiding an assault charge from your employer”
You taking the Michael Northumb, or are you being serious ?
There’s being understanding and then there’s just being plain daft.
The big mistake Hooper made was not waiting for a better club after Celtic and moving to a struggling team in the Premiership in Norwich, he was always on a hiding to nothing…he should have held out for a better team to establish himself.
Putting that to one side though, he’s had terrible luck with injuries. As stated above though, he’ll have traditional Indian Curry on tap and get’s to backstroke his way down the Ganges.
What more could he ask for at this stage in his career ?
The lack of empathy shown by some on here is staggering!
He’s fortunate to have the talent he has with the opportunity to do what he loves… Getting drunk and supposedly assaulting a police officer is ridiculous.
At Crewe he did something equally as stupid…he’s not a kid anymore, he should know better.
If we we’re talking about a young player then fair enough I’d put it down to sheer stupidity with him needing to grow up but he’s at an age when he shouldn’t be doing stuff like this anymore..it’s just not acceptable.
Throw into the mix he went in a tempter tantrum and spat his dummy out when moved in the no 10 role and played as captain against Man City u23’s and couldn’t be bothered.
I’m sorry but I don’t feel sorry for him. This is his doing, nobody else’s.
I don’t like his attitude on the pitch and appears that he’s a loose cannon off it.
Ironawe, he has previous of this carry on way back at Crewe. It may just point to the fact he’s a complete moron and has taken his football career for granted. Colclough should have grown up before now…he’ll be yet another wasted talent that chosen to squander it all.
I said he needed moving on even before this was announced…he’s questionable at best.
More and more people are questioning even whether paying the £10 to watch is even worth it. I suppose evening would be better to suit more people but if we keep playing how we are doing, skipping it all together may be more beneficial for some people.
Awful watching us at the minute. I even lost interest listening to us against Tranmere and felt like turning it off.
I don’t think I’ve ever had the displeasure of supporting the club with a manager who’s as bad as this tactically. Wilcox the struggle was staying awake but we we’re solid…he often changed like or like and was super conservative.
I can’t remember Wilcox or any other manager in my life time ever changing things though when we we’re playing reasonably well and in turn willingly messed everything up.
Robins was a bit of a lunatic tactically but he wasn’t as bad either. Laws used to do his customary change when he brought a striker on with 2 minutes to go when losing, or stick a CB up top in a bid to change it, despite having 20 or 30 minutes to alter it and deciding not to.
This is the most frustrated I’ve been though..yes we have a young squad but we also have really, really talented players here who could do teams no end of damage who are being completely mismanaged.
Gillead, Eisa and McAtee would run riot at this level providing they were played correctly…or in some cases actually even chosen to play. Colclough is a questionable character but he’s got the talent for this level hands down.
We have enough talent easily for this level of football.
Eisa and Gillead on the wings. McAtee upfront with Loft with Spence and Vincent sitting in midfield will be more than enough.
Stick Onariase in at CB alongside Cordner. Play Rowe until Clarke is back with O’Malley LB. I don’t for the life of me see what’s particularly wrong with that.
Stampy, from what I’ve read he can play other positions but primarily plays no 10 role which is why he scored a hat trick the week before for forest u23’s. I think he played in the that role for Port Vale as well.
You have got to be joking surely ?. Cox is scared to death of playing with out and out wingers with two conservative CM players. I think putting a more attack minded CM next to Spence will result in Cox having a panic attack.
What we think we need and what Cox seems to think we need are two entirely different things.
The reason why no balls are going into the box is because Cox wants to play central with two tucked in wingers and one striker upfront…hence why we’re struggling to get shots on target.
One’s been completely cast out, the other has been frozen out for a much crapper version and the other can’t even make the squad.
If I knew what I knew now regarding Cox, I would have at least been pre prepared for the shite we’re having to now endure.
How can Swann keep getting it so, so wrong ?
FFS go get junior brown,still hasn t a club as far as I know,+ he would bring a little bit of experience,just a thought,agree with NI full backs these days not only need to defend need to be able to get forward and get crosses in,was prepared to give Cox a chance but things are wearing very thin,he needs to pick his BEST team,but as he spoke yesterday,he doesn’t know what that is,honeymoon period over????
I don’t think there has been a honeymoon period in all fairness, this is the most shambolic start I’ve seen from a United manager since I’ve supported us.
Everything he seems to turn his hand to has turned to shite. Alterations he makes during games for no apparent reason in a bid to make us better takes away all the good we did have and in turn makes us worse.
I’m not sure he’s done 1 thing right yet…he’s awful.
One thing I don’t get is, is that Cox is choosing to play with tucked in wingers because he doesn’t want to leave the full backs and midfield exposed.
Why doesn’t he just tell Vincent and Spence to sit in midfield and the full backs to feed the ball to either Eisa and Gillead and get straight back and let Eisa and Gillead do their thing and cause mischief ?
If he’s hell bent on playing with no width, he may as well switch back to that crap 5/2/1/2 formation. Stick Onaraise in alongside the slack Bedeau and green Cordner. Stick Rowe RWB, O’Malley LWB…Spence and Vincent in the middle with Gillead in behind Loft and McAtee.
Only problem with that is, Taylor is better in that position than Gillead but Gillead has to play because he’s makeshift captain, who’s deemed the leader of that team.
Means though we’re carrying arguably going by what we saw our best midfielder and won’t even end up seeing him play. I suppose you could stick him in CM instead of Vincent but he’s better further forward which means to accommodate Taylor, we’re going to end up with Gillead and Taylor out of position.
Taylor is a very good player but did we really need him ?. McAtee can play there, Hallam also can along with Gillead. Cox won’t play with out and out wingers because of the full backs that are currently playing, as stated above…why didn’t we sign an experienced LB ?
An experienced LB, Clarke in at RB, Onariase and McGahey when back fit, we suddenly have a much more experienced back line.
If anything signing Taylor has muddied the waters…signing him has just further complicated things. I greeted the signing because I thought he could play in CM and be just as effective but going by what I’ve read he’s an attacking midfielder who really plays in the no 10 role.
We already have options there.
Taylor being moved in a defensive role after performing so well in the no 10 role is what got me. If that’s the depth of his tactical nous, Lillis needs to have more of an input.
Everything Cox is doing is literally making us poorer.
God above !
That what he said today in the post match interview was complete bullshit. McAtee despite playing 90mins against Man City u23’s, had yet another 3 days training but he’s still deemed unfit to such an extent that he couldn’t even make the bench.
Utter rubbish…you telling me he wasn’t fit enough to at least come on from the bench ?
If he was that concerned about him gaining match fitness, he would have started him and subbed him off when tired or at the very least brought him on from the bench.
I’d rather he told the truth and just said he doesn’t see eye to eye with him. I won’t even start on him choosing Hippolyte over Eisa.
I don’t know what’s gone off behind the scenes but Cox needs to seriously get a grip.
Colclough, Eisa and McAtee are our best current attacking players along with Gillead and all snubbed. Crap football, lack of excitement and shots on goal…yet we have those 3 parked to one side.
I find it rather odd that he’s gone from Mr Positive “We’ll attack, get excitement back in the club/town…we’re going to give the fans something to shout about ” to, I don’t want to play with out and out wingers, it leaves us too open and decides to play 1 upfront.
No attacking impetus whatsoever.
I do seriously wonder at times whether somebody at the club is having more of an input tactic wise than Cox and Lillis.
This is an almighty u-turn performed by Cox if not…to such an extent I’m having problems believing it.
There’s drastic and then there’s this what we’re witnessing.
Lillis is the one with experience and the know how…what’s his role in all this ?.
Is he here to be chief nodding dog ?
I never knew this bullshit would have flew with Lillis as back up but here we are.
Completely disagree with regards to Vincent, thought he did really well first half and was his best performance yet. I thought he was just as good as Gillead. Spence did well too.
All went to shit when mastermind moved Vincent further up and Taylor further back. Why he decided to do that I’ve no idea.
Made it all the more strange when Vincent and Taylor were both playing well in the roles they were in.
Different manager, different players but Russ’s style of football.
Agree…carbon copy of Russ. The playing style is anyway.
Paying £10 to watch that is dreadful.
You have to wonder whether outside influences are having a hand in this.
How can you go from a manager who promises exciting, attacking football to a manager who won’t play with out and out wingers and for the most part plays with one up top with ultra conservative tactics ?
It’s almost as if we were promised Dr Jekyl but have ended with Mr hyde.
This is all very bizarre.
Eisa not getting a look in. McAtee can’t seemingly make the squad….very, very strange what’s going on at the minute.
Cox reminds me of Wilcox.
Taylor who’s prolific from midfield, scored a hat trick the week before for forest u23’s..plays really well first half in that very same role and then he moved him right the way back because Cox wanted him to get on the ball more.
Seriously, what world in this bloke living in. Gillead at RB ?
This is the most shambolic start to a managerial career at United in recent times…it’s so wrong, it’s unbelieveable.
You have to ask yourself what role Lillis is having as well.
Utter tripe.
, has to be behind Loft, McAtee, KVV, Turan and probably Hallam
Van Veen is currently injured, so unless he’s going to be played while wrapped up with duct tape, he’s not currently in the mix.
The way Cox was talking around pre season time, Olomola was one player who really impressed him. I wouldn’t be at all surprised he’ll get a chance once fully fit.
Turan looked good in that one game but he’s still an unknown quantity. Hallam is a really good player but it’s whether he stays fit or not.
I like Hallam but I’d still much rather have 2 proper strikers up there. McAtee didn’t do himself any favours with that crap performance v’s Man City U23’s…he and colclough we’re rumoured to be 2 of the players who got a proper dressing down from Cox after the game.
There is also a chance McAtee may still move on. I think this is his final year of his contract so we may look to make a bit of money…and in the current climate, that’s not beyond the realms of possibility.
I doubt Olomola will be behind Jarvis, he’s only being played because been there to use and going by what Cox said the other week, he see’s Green more of a wide player.
Last week he was on the radio talking about wide players and listed Green in with them, so I don’t think he even see’s him as a striker.
Olomola has scored before at this level as well. I’d stick him up there with Loft when fit, old style little and large partnership. One to brutalise CB’s and the other to run in behind.
If Hallam stay’s fit though I expect him to do really well, we’ve always knows he’s had the talent….it’s just his inability to stay fit.
25 games last season for Vale, he scored 7 goals and last match for Forest u23’s he scored a hat trick. Attacking central midfielder who get’s himself in the box.
This is the kind of player we were missing. Stick him next to Spence and leave Vincent out. Onaraise in for Bedeau and Rowe will be fit for the RB slot.
Makes us a hell of a lot stronger. Yes, we could do with another RB and a GK but we’re a lot stronger than what we were.
Olomola is about 3 weeks away as he’s not match fit, so he’s someone to add to the mix. Turan was back in training today as well.
Forest fans really rate Jake Taylor going by what I’ve read and some think he should still be there battling it out for a first team place.
Vincent and Spence didn’t work. Spence broke a lot of the play up but Vincent doesn’t really add anything, he’s tidy enough but hasn’t really had a big impact in any game he’s played.
It would be a dream if we could offload colclough. I can’t understand why he’s getting game time ahead of Dales. Colclough can’t be bothered, I hope last nights carry on will mean he’s frozen out. McAtee was supposed to have been rubbish as well.
If we got rid of Eisa and Colclough, it would still leave us with Hippolyte, gillead, Dales and Green. That’s one position we’re pretty well stacked in.
I wouldn’t want to loose Eisa but I have a feeling he’ll be off. Fingers crossed some team is crazy enough to take Colclough.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see McAtee move on either. I think this is the final yr of his contract.
We really do need another GK, RB and an effective CM…one with experience. Kelsey isn’t ready. Clarke is Clarke and Spence aside, our CM’s are pretty poor.
I’d give Beestin a go now though in place of Vincent to see how he does. If we cash in on McAtee, we have Turan, Loft, Olomola who’s not far away and Hallam can clearly play in the no 10 role. Green can do a job up there as well.
Also Kev is due back in a few months so we might just be ok.
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