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Ironawe, he has previous of this carry on way back at Crewe. It may just point to the fact he’s a complete moron and has taken his football career for granted. Colclough should have grown up before now…he’ll be yet another wasted talent that chosen to squander it all.
I said he needed moving on even before this was announced…he’s questionable at best.
More and more people are questioning even whether paying the £10 to watch is even worth it. I suppose evening would be better to suit more people but if we keep playing how we are doing, skipping it all together may be more beneficial for some people.
Awful watching us at the minute. I even lost interest listening to us against Tranmere and felt like turning it off.
I don’t think I’ve ever had the displeasure of supporting the club with a manager who’s as bad as this tactically. Wilcox the struggle was staying awake but we we’re solid…he often changed like or like and was super conservative.
I can’t remember Wilcox or any other manager in my life time ever changing things though when we we’re playing reasonably well and in turn willingly messed everything up.
Robins was a bit of a lunatic tactically but he wasn’t as bad either. Laws used to do his customary change when he brought a striker on with 2 minutes to go when losing, or stick a CB up top in a bid to change it, despite having 20 or 30 minutes to alter it and deciding not to.
This is the most frustrated I’ve been though..yes we have a young squad but we also have really, really talented players here who could do teams no end of damage who are being completely mismanaged.
Gillead, Eisa and McAtee would run riot at this level providing they were played correctly…or in some cases actually even chosen to play. Colclough is a questionable character but he’s got the talent for this level hands down.
We have enough talent easily for this level of football.
Eisa and Gillead on the wings. McAtee upfront with Loft with Spence and Vincent sitting in midfield will be more than enough.
Stick Onariase in at CB alongside Cordner. Play Rowe until Clarke is back with O’Malley LB. I don’t for the life of me see what’s particularly wrong with that.
Stampy, from what I’ve read he can play other positions but primarily plays no 10 role which is why he scored a hat trick the week before for forest u23’s. I think he played in the that role for Port Vale as well.
You have got to be joking surely ?. Cox is scared to death of playing with out and out wingers with two conservative CM players. I think putting a more attack minded CM next to Spence will result in Cox having a panic attack.
What we think we need and what Cox seems to think we need are two entirely different things.
The reason why no balls are going into the box is because Cox wants to play central with two tucked in wingers and one striker upfront…hence why we’re struggling to get shots on target.
One’s been completely cast out, the other has been frozen out for a much crapper version and the other can’t even make the squad.
If I knew what I knew now regarding Cox, I would have at least been pre prepared for the shite we’re having to now endure.
How can Swann keep getting it so, so wrong ?
FFS go get junior brown,still hasn t a club as far as I know,+ he would bring a little bit of experience,just a thought,agree with NI full backs these days not only need to defend need to be able to get forward and get crosses in,was prepared to give Cox a chance but things are wearing very thin,he needs to pick his BEST team,but as he spoke yesterday,he doesn’t know what that is,honeymoon period over????
I don’t think there has been a honeymoon period in all fairness, this is the most shambolic start I’ve seen from a United manager since I’ve supported us.
Everything he seems to turn his hand to has turned to shite. Alterations he makes during games for no apparent reason in a bid to make us better takes away all the good we did have and in turn makes us worse.
I’m not sure he’s done 1 thing right yet…he’s awful.
One thing I don’t get is, is that Cox is choosing to play with tucked in wingers because he doesn’t want to leave the full backs and midfield exposed.
Why doesn’t he just tell Vincent and Spence to sit in midfield and the full backs to feed the ball to either Eisa and Gillead and get straight back and let Eisa and Gillead do their thing and cause mischief ?
If he’s hell bent on playing with no width, he may as well switch back to that crap 5/2/1/2 formation. Stick Onaraise in alongside the slack Bedeau and green Cordner. Stick Rowe RWB, O’Malley LWB…Spence and Vincent in the middle with Gillead in behind Loft and McAtee.
Only problem with that is, Taylor is better in that position than Gillead but Gillead has to play because he’s makeshift captain, who’s deemed the leader of that team.
Means though we’re carrying arguably going by what we saw our best midfielder and won’t even end up seeing him play. I suppose you could stick him in CM instead of Vincent but he’s better further forward which means to accommodate Taylor, we’re going to end up with Gillead and Taylor out of position.
Taylor is a very good player but did we really need him ?. McAtee can play there, Hallam also can along with Gillead. Cox won’t play with out and out wingers because of the full backs that are currently playing, as stated above…why didn’t we sign an experienced LB ?
An experienced LB, Clarke in at RB, Onariase and McGahey when back fit, we suddenly have a much more experienced back line.
If anything signing Taylor has muddied the waters…signing him has just further complicated things. I greeted the signing because I thought he could play in CM and be just as effective but going by what I’ve read he’s an attacking midfielder who really plays in the no 10 role.
We already have options there.
Taylor being moved in a defensive role after performing so well in the no 10 role is what got me. If that’s the depth of his tactical nous, Lillis needs to have more of an input.
Everything Cox is doing is literally making us poorer.
God above !
That what he said today in the post match interview was complete bullshit. McAtee despite playing 90mins against Man City u23’s, had yet another 3 days training but he’s still deemed unfit to such an extent that he couldn’t even make the bench.
Utter rubbish…you telling me he wasn’t fit enough to at least come on from the bench ?
If he was that concerned about him gaining match fitness, he would have started him and subbed him off when tired or at the very least brought him on from the bench.
I’d rather he told the truth and just said he doesn’t see eye to eye with him. I won’t even start on him choosing Hippolyte over Eisa.
I don’t know what’s gone off behind the scenes but Cox needs to seriously get a grip.
Colclough, Eisa and McAtee are our best current attacking players along with Gillead and all snubbed. Crap football, lack of excitement and shots on goal…yet we have those 3 parked to one side.
I find it rather odd that he’s gone from Mr Positive “We’ll attack, get excitement back in the club/town…we’re going to give the fans something to shout about ” to, I don’t want to play with out and out wingers, it leaves us too open and decides to play 1 upfront.
No attacking impetus whatsoever.
I do seriously wonder at times whether somebody at the club is having more of an input tactic wise than Cox and Lillis.
This is an almighty u-turn performed by Cox if not…to such an extent I’m having problems believing it.
There’s drastic and then there’s this what we’re witnessing.
Lillis is the one with experience and the know how…what’s his role in all this ?.
Is he here to be chief nodding dog ?
I never knew this bullshit would have flew with Lillis as back up but here we are.
Completely disagree with regards to Vincent, thought he did really well first half and was his best performance yet. I thought he was just as good as Gillead. Spence did well too.
All went to shit when mastermind moved Vincent further up and Taylor further back. Why he decided to do that I’ve no idea.
Made it all the more strange when Vincent and Taylor were both playing well in the roles they were in.
Different manager, different players but Russ’s style of football.
Agree…carbon copy of Russ. The playing style is anyway.
Paying £10 to watch that is dreadful.
You have to wonder whether outside influences are having a hand in this.
How can you go from a manager who promises exciting, attacking football to a manager who won’t play with out and out wingers and for the most part plays with one up top with ultra conservative tactics ?
It’s almost as if we were promised Dr Jekyl but have ended with Mr hyde.
This is all very bizarre.
Eisa not getting a look in. McAtee can’t seemingly make the squad….very, very strange what’s going on at the minute.
Cox reminds me of Wilcox.
Taylor who’s prolific from midfield, scored a hat trick the week before for forest u23’s..plays really well first half in that very same role and then he moved him right the way back because Cox wanted him to get on the ball more.
Seriously, what world in this bloke living in. Gillead at RB ?
This is the most shambolic start to a managerial career at United in recent times…it’s so wrong, it’s unbelieveable.
You have to ask yourself what role Lillis is having as well.
Utter tripe.
, has to be behind Loft, McAtee, KVV, Turan and probably Hallam
Van Veen is currently injured, so unless he’s going to be played while wrapped up with duct tape, he’s not currently in the mix.
The way Cox was talking around pre season time, Olomola was one player who really impressed him. I wouldn’t be at all surprised he’ll get a chance once fully fit.
Turan looked good in that one game but he’s still an unknown quantity. Hallam is a really good player but it’s whether he stays fit or not.
I like Hallam but I’d still much rather have 2 proper strikers up there. McAtee didn’t do himself any favours with that crap performance v’s Man City U23’s…he and colclough we’re rumoured to be 2 of the players who got a proper dressing down from Cox after the game.
There is also a chance McAtee may still move on. I think this is his final year of his contract so we may look to make a bit of money…and in the current climate, that’s not beyond the realms of possibility.
I doubt Olomola will be behind Jarvis, he’s only being played because been there to use and going by what Cox said the other week, he see’s Green more of a wide player.
Last week he was on the radio talking about wide players and listed Green in with them, so I don’t think he even see’s him as a striker.
Olomola has scored before at this level as well. I’d stick him up there with Loft when fit, old style little and large partnership. One to brutalise CB’s and the other to run in behind.
If Hallam stay’s fit though I expect him to do really well, we’ve always knows he’s had the talent….it’s just his inability to stay fit.
25 games last season for Vale, he scored 7 goals and last match for Forest u23’s he scored a hat trick. Attacking central midfielder who get’s himself in the box.
This is the kind of player we were missing. Stick him next to Spence and leave Vincent out. Onaraise in for Bedeau and Rowe will be fit for the RB slot.
Makes us a hell of a lot stronger. Yes, we could do with another RB and a GK but we’re a lot stronger than what we were.
Olomola is about 3 weeks away as he’s not match fit, so he’s someone to add to the mix. Turan was back in training today as well.
Forest fans really rate Jake Taylor going by what I’ve read and some think he should still be there battling it out for a first team place.
Vincent and Spence didn’t work. Spence broke a lot of the play up but Vincent doesn’t really add anything, he’s tidy enough but hasn’t really had a big impact in any game he’s played.
It would be a dream if we could offload colclough. I can’t understand why he’s getting game time ahead of Dales. Colclough can’t be bothered, I hope last nights carry on will mean he’s frozen out. McAtee was supposed to have been rubbish as well.
If we got rid of Eisa and Colclough, it would still leave us with Hippolyte, gillead, Dales and Green. That’s one position we’re pretty well stacked in.
I wouldn’t want to loose Eisa but I have a feeling he’ll be off. Fingers crossed some team is crazy enough to take Colclough.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see McAtee move on either. I think this is the final yr of his contract.
We really do need another GK, RB and an effective CM…one with experience. Kelsey isn’t ready. Clarke is Clarke and Spence aside, our CM’s are pretty poor.
I’d give Beestin a go now though in place of Vincent to see how he does. If we cash in on McAtee, we have Turan, Loft, Olomola who’s not far away and Hallam can clearly play in the no 10 role. Green can do a job up there as well.
Also Kev is due back in a few months so we might just be ok.
Vincent for me has been poor, he’s tidy enough but doesn’t really do any thing of note..Spence is pretty good but I’d give Beestin a go in there.
Rowe at RB and stick Onariase in at CB in place of Bedeau. Colclough can’t be arsed, he needs moving on.
Cox is irritating the shite out of me.
STOP PLAYING THESE WEIRD FORMATIONS WITH PLAYERS PLAYING OUT OF POSITION.
Why does he not just opt to play 4/4/2 and play them where they are supposed to be played ?
I hope now Onariase is fit he doesn’t go 3 at the back again on Saturday. No more of that bullshit.
Swann an co need hanging for signing Clarke on for another yr and making him captain. Cox said he felt his thigh in training so now he’s been pulled out again.
Come January he needs binning off and we need to sign an able bodied RB. Fingers crossed Rowe stays fit.
Least now with Rowe back fit we’ll have a proper RB.
That performance was awful from what I’ve been told, somebody on twitter paid £10 to watch it and turned it off with about 35 minutes to go lol
Wingers playing in CM again, when will Cox learn. If he doesn’t watch it he’ll end up pissing a lot of the players off.
I really don’t understand what he’s trying to achieve.
Why does Cox need 10 games to play players where they should be playing and for us to play positively ?. Cox has the players here but he’s gone down the safety first road.
I’m just disappointed because we’re getting something entirely different to what he promised.
Not playing Eisa because he’s not as good defensively as Hippolyte when playing against Carlisle at home….come on, I expect more positivity than that.
I will gladly wait though and see where we are after 10 games. Playing Rowe at RB should make a big difference.
Not really sure what Vincent is adding in CM. Spence is pretty good but he needs somebody alongside him who offers a bit more.
May as well give Beestin or Hornshaw a go there and see how they get on.
I think we’ve got a real problem with expectations as a supporter base
No expects us to romp the league. What is annoying a lot of people is we’re not getting what we were promised. All I wanted was for us to have a go and at least try and play in a positive manner.
Not playing Eisa because he’s too positive is an absolute disgrace.
Play the best players in their positions and let them do their thing. All I want is passion, work rate and for our best players to be playing where they should be.
I don’t expect 3 nil wins every week.
I don’t think expecting that is too much to ask.
Ferrite is becoming the new club guard dog…it appears he’s taken over from the other wally. Any, and I mean any posts of criticism towards the style of play e.t.c “even if coupled with a valid reason” will be immediately shot down and you’ll be moaned at for moaning.
Ironic I know but they you go.
I personally think having a manager coming through the door who told every man and his dog about “this will be a new era, we’ll attack from the off and get excitement back in the club/town” to then be met with mind numbing safety first style of play, dodgy formation and your best attacking player not playing because he’s too attack minded is a bit of a kick in the nuts.
I don’t know what’s going on with Eisa. Why anybody would leave their best attacking player out because he’s too positive is beyond me ?
If Cox hasn’t banged his head, resulting in an undiagnosed mental condition then I’m struggling to understand what he’s doing.
Must be the fumes from the steel works, we’ve had countless managers who either talk a good game, or, go down this weird defensive path and slowly mentally disintegrate before our very eyes.
I like Cox but usually this kind of madness he’s starting to display usually ends up rearing it’s ugly head further down the line.
Cox might buck the trend, instead of descending into madness…he may start off a bit crazy and then do a complete u turn and be true to his word and fulfil his supposed attacking football philosophy.
You never know !
3 games and you’re already an expert on what he’s doing wrong?
Ferrite, you don’t need to be an expert with an outstanding back catalogue of football knowledge to realise that Cox is pissing around playing players where they simply shouldn’t be played.
Before you start taking pot shots at me, you should be questioning Cox. By all means it will take him time to realise his best 11 and to stamp his own mark on the team, but, to play your best players out of position hell bent on shoehorning them into a system everybody else bar Cox and Lillis realises doesn’t work, it annoys me…as it has to plenty of other fans.
Listen to the podcast, they tended to agree.
They were a lot more steadfast with their comments than I was. Are you going to throw sarcastic comments their way and ridicule them ?. I highly doubt it, you haven’t got the guts
Listen to that podcast..ridicule the comments made on there, get back to me and we’ll call it quits.
You can’t ridicule somebody on here and then let the same opinions slide.
You should ring him up and tell him WG, he will obviously listen to you!!!
You may like playing with no width and players playing out of position in a daft formation but not many people are too keen.
No excuse now anyway, Clarke’s back, McAtee’s back and Onariase is back so least he has a proper RB now and a decent striking option to call upon now.
It’s the playing players all out of position which is getting me, that shouldn’t have to be learned, he’s been around football a long time, he should instinctively know that.
That’s my one big annoyance…it’s not needed. Playing Hornshaw at RB, I get it as we have no other real viable options but to do what he’s been doing is stupid and hurts us as a result.
As I said above, he should know this already. That shouldn’t be something he should have to learn.
I thought considering Turan was starting his first game in English football, he did ok…and you have to factor in he was playing alongside Loft who was playing like he had blinkers and lead boots on.
I’d be fairly happy sticking Turan upfront with McAtee next weekend but Cox has a thing for Loft going by what he’s said about him previously. I personally don’t think Turan and Loft will ever work as a partnership.
Good news is though Clarke is ready for a start according to cox…Olomola is back training next week and Onariase is back training as well.
Rowe is crocked though and McGahey came off Injured. I’d be tempted to give Clarke, Onariase a game next week and start them both next match. Bedeau looks to have something but when watching him you feel he’s never far away from dropping a clanger.
O’Malley needs to start at LB too. Is 3 or 4 weeks when Olomola has got a bit of fitness we’ll have some decent options, can hardly be a bad thing.
On that loft performance today, was as bad as Tomi Ameobi….absolutely shocking. How hes stayed on for as long as he did when Green was on the bench is disgraceful really.
Hornshaw 5 not the best full back, better going forwards
Mick…How can you possibly give Hornshaw and Turan both a 5 ?. I’d give Hornshaw a 3, he was absolutely dreadful. I do however feel a bit sorry for him, you can tell he’s never going to be a FB.
What about sticking Hornshaw in CM in place of Spence ?.
Spence and Vincent are sort of tidy enough but don’t effect the game enough for me…both him and Spence just like to sit there and keep it ticking over, neither effect the play enough.
The pair of them are similar. If we opt to keep playing Vincent, what about getting Beestin up to speed and give him a go alongside him, least he’d get forward a bit more.
Whichever way you’d like to put it, it’s certainly confusing. 4/4/2 next match and stick McAtee up with Turan and see how they get on.
As long as we don’t end up with a dodgy diamond formation with no width and wingers with McAtee playing in the hole !
I can’t be doing with anymore of that carry on.
I thought Turan looked pretty promising as well. I’m shocked people are giving him a 2 and Loft a 5. Loft looked like things we’re not going for him and just mentally wasn’t at the races….he was shocking to say the least.
SST, what did you think of that formation ?
Also the fact Green was left on the bench and Hallam was brought on to partner Turan ?
Actually, how the hell did Loft even get as long as he did ?
I was wondering whether somebody behind the scenes is directing managers to play like this, all these supposed 4/4/2 men end up fielding these fucked up formations.
As I said, I get he’s get a hard job but it’s just baffling what formation is being put out. I honestly do not know for the life of me what the hell is going on.
This is has happened with too many now to simply call this a coincidence.
Cox said Clarke is back next week and will be in contention for a start. If he fields that fucked up mess again when we have a proper RB to field, somebody is surely fecking around behind the scenes.
Olomola is back training next week too so will only be 2 or 3 weeks away.
Even that shite today I was impressed with Turan. Only one game but he looks to have something, looks a decent enough player.
I really do hope next match he goes 4/4/2 with a flat back 4, 2 wingers and strikers. No more of this next match please !
It would appear that some clubs still value experience.
Butler looked shot to pieces when he was here though !
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