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MK Iron wrote:

3 very basic errors from players that don’t normally make them

Nicholson had a ridiculous 10 min spell against Rushall, one mistake when he went to kick the ball and somehow managed to kick fresh air and if not for a poor finish that mistake would have cost us a goal. Sandwiched in between that was several other hairy moments.

When Evans ran into Nicholson, I mean that was ridiculous, but it has something to do with playing with 3 CB’s as they do tend to get in each others way. Solid to an extent, but they don’t really look confident playing in the system. It needs simplifying and changed to 4 at the back which will put them more at ease due to being more confident playing that system.

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lesgeo wrote:

A fit Carlton (finally) and an improving Fishburn – the dominant CM player is the number one need.

Beestin looked good there against Rushall, but then was stupidly moved back up front…even after Fishburn impressed. A more experienced manager would get a tune out of Brogan too. There’s definitely a player in there at this level.

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lesgeo wrote:

A fit Carlton (finally) and an improving Fishburn – the dominant CM player is the number one need.

Beestin strengthened the midfield and was that bit of class needed against Rushall and then was stupidly moved back up front bringing Scales in when we know him and Clunan lack the physicality. A more experienced manager would also get a tune out of Brogan too. I know he’s seemingly gone backwards, but you could tell right from the start of the season that there’s definitely a player in there at this level.

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North Lincolnshire Irons wrote:

I don’t believe Fishburn should have been dropped today,

I said the same when reading the team sheet. Butler keeps chopping and changing and it’s adding the the ever growing list why we’re currently tailing off.

5 at he back doesn’t work. Butler’s Far too negative in his approach. Nonsensical subs has cost us points. Needlessly keeps chopping and changing players.

I thought young fish gave us a flatform upfront the other game and allowed us to keep hold of the ball a lot better, but out of nowhere he leaves him out. Butler’s not doing himself any favours. Beestin shouldn’t have been moved either and strengthened CM.

Only problem is now we’re stuck with Butler now for a fair while due to him signing that extension that was stupidly offered to him. I think he’s here now for this season and next season.

Don’t get me wrong, he can be paid off, but why offer him an extension this early on ?

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Nicholson despite a good start looks a disaster waiting to happen and was shocking for a 10min spell against Rushall when we quite easily could have conceded at least 1 goal.

If we’re playing 5 at the back for solidity and we’re getting done by 1 huge hoof then it’s not really doing it’s job, is it ?

I’d leave Nicholson out for Boyce and I’d be tempted to sell on Evans a bit further down the road. I’m not just saying that because of today, but I’ve been thinking it for a while. I don’t think he’s nasty/ruthless enough to be a dominant CB at this kind of level. No doubt he’d perform much better back in the national league.

Nicholson has gone completely downhill. Butler I dare to say has been somewhat found out after we stupidly offered to extend his contract. I don’t know who’s idea that was this early on, but it was credibly stupid.

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cassidystash wrote:

I was hoping the friendly against Donny might have produced something in the way of fresh faces but it hardly merited a mention at our end. “All the squad were involved” was all we got.
Did Carlton play? Is he fit? Did we look at any triallists? Were we checking out Donny fringe players for loan? Did we try different tactics?
Answers to any/all of these questions would have been appreciated.

Carlton didn’t play. No trialists and played the same formation. drew 1-1. Simply was set up to give the slightly undercooked ” or rare ” players some game time. No mention of players coming in either. Striker short and still need a capable CM player.

The person to solve the midfield out would be Beestin, but we can’t move him from up top due to a lack of striking options.

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Carlton is on his way back after picking up an injury. Before that he was rusty due to a lack of game time and looked miles off it and then he picked up the injury. Not been a good start where he’s concerned at all.

Desperately need another striker through the door and a more robust central midfielder who can play a bit. Not been quite right in CM all season. Always said Scales has looked best when he played those games at RWB. Full of energy and desire and would work fine a midfield 3 but doesn’t look right in a two man midfield due to him lacking calmness and a bit of technical ability.

Everything with Scales is a 100mph. Only problem is because Clunan isn’t the biggest we need a more bigger CM next to him so we don’t get bullied. That 34yr old Bohan Dixon from Warrington just barged scales and clunan out the way and ran right through them. I did think Brogan would have been the one we needed in there, but despite a strong start he’s seemingly gone backwards.

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Thing is with Butler is a lot of what he follows is data based and he isn’t applying common sense. If he would have left Roberts on last weekend we would have won, but because of data he takes him off and we all go to shit. This is happening far too often and it’s biting us in the arse.

This formation doesn’t really work either. For the most part we’re strong and robust, but because we have no real ball player in CM and we lack size it doesn’t work. Only match we’ve put somewhat of a full performance in was against Kidderminster at home.

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Did the young lad on dual registration get a run out, if so, how did he do ?

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lesgeo wrote:

We have seen Scales cover at RB during matches – and I often thought the same thing, WG. However, I’d be pretty reluctant to remove Barrows from the team.
One niggling concern of mine is that I am unsure as to whether Roberts works to his best in this formation.

Barrows has looked solid enough, but we need Scales energy and drive in this team, so I’d still play him there. I just don’t think Scales is composed enough to be playing in CM. Crying out for Brogan in there who appears to have that bit of class needed.

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RoamingBull wrote:

Les has a point though. We are lightweight in the midfield far too easily knocked of the ball

Bang on. I said the same straight after the game. I also think we not only need somebody next to Clunan who’s a lot more robust, I also think we need more of a ball player next to Clunan who has that bit of composure to take a little look up and calmly lay the ball off.

Brogan every time I’ve seen him appears to have that level of calmness and ability to be able to take a deep breath and look up to pick a pass out. I admire scales work rate and effort but everything is a 100 miles an hour with him and lacks that bit of quality.

I know Barrows has looked pretty good at RB, but I’d put Scales there. The best football and performances I’ve seen from Scales has been when he played those games at right wing back last season and also looked really good there in pre season. Clunan doesn’t need moving and Roberts looks fairly good, but it’s scales who needs swopping out for Brogan in my opinion.

That Bohan-Dixon for Warrington looked a real player. Big, strong but was athletic with a good turn of pace and had a good pass on him too. I was surprised when I saw he was 34yrs old.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Let’s hope she doesn’t sink along with your grand statement!

Feels different now. This team has that bit of class when needed but also the fitness, toughness and organization coupled with a manager who actually knows how to manage. The way were playing reminds me of Tamworth, but we’re the upgraded version when it comes to quality moments.

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Wonder goals do you actually read before you spout and you say Dean was clueless?

I take that comment back, Dean was an incredible manager who was just unlucky.

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HMS PTL is getting ready for another promotion voyage. This time we have a captain who knows how to turn the wheel and where we’re actually going. We won’t run out of coal and won’t hit any icebergs this time around.

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We were really poor compared to how we played against Kidderminster and yet still won. Much, much more to come from us.

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Rowley hasn’t been involved because he’s been injured, but is now back. To judge Shrimpton on that is ridiculous, he was only on the pitch for 5 minutes and were his first minutes of the season.

Difference between Butler and Dean was Butler counteracted Buckley Rickets by putting an extra midfielder on to close the space down, if that was dean he’d have stood there clueless until they equalized.

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“no more HMS piss the league this year as it made us look twats last season”

I don’t think people took much notice apart from Grimsby fans. This season we have a fitter team with a manager who appears to know what he’s doing.

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David O’Leary, why did you not sign all those times after you were spotted at forest pines ?

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Beestin looks like he’s been a natural striker who’s been playing out of position in CM. Butler expects him to be back Tuesday. Special mention to Barrows as a lot doubted him but that ball he put in for Beestin to slot home was fantastic and for me he’s a better player than Ogle by some distance.

Clunan is back to clunan of the first half of last season. Scales was Scales and Nicholson is the best CB I’ve seen in a number of seasons and is definitely at least a lg 2 CB. Roberts now is starting to grasp the attacking midfield role.

This team/squad under Butler far more superior to those of last season. Butler as manager is streets ahead of Jimmy Dean. Way more positive and brave, not to mention miles ahead tactically.

We’re looking incredibly strong.

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Beestin looks like a natural striker to me. Butler did say he was a natural striker and was unsure, but it’s definitely looking that way.

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They made him the Iron’s MOM mainly because they thought he’d scored.

His effort that hit the bar was unlucky would have been a great goal.

Was it just me or is Roberts starting to look a bit more comfortable as a 10 now he is starting to use the full width of the pitch rather than staying central?

I noticed that. Roberts is roaming from that spot and is drifting out wide, if he carries on doing that he’ll be fine.

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Evans is an improvement on Boyce and I have to say from what I’ve seen so far, Kelly looks a tad better going forward and more solid defensively than Denton. I’d keep Kelly and Evans in personally.

Carlton will need another few games to get up to speed. To say he was rusty against South Shields is an understatement of epic proportions.

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Whitehall’s first touch at times was absolute garbage and he doesn’t appear to work the hardest either. I’d rather Carlton was up there for his running power and pace and it may force us to play the ball into feet more.

I’d also be tempted to stick Evans in at CB for Boyce for his passing ability as this system relies on CB’s who are actually cultured enough to be able to pass the ball out. Evans cross field passing is deadly at times.

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We went too direct which was odd because when we played the ball on the floor into feet we looked the much better team. Lesgeo, a tactical mess ?. I wouldn’t quite go that far, Butler just gambled trying to get more players forward.

We seriously need to stop going so direct, we need to play it into feet a lot more.

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Didn’t play well at all and when you combine that with Needham Market playing probably above their actual level, it made for a very close game. One thing I will say is that when we got the ball down and played into feet we looked miles above them, but didn’t do it enough.

Whitehall penalty aside was slack and Boyce’s passing from the back was abysmal. 3 points in 3 points at the end of the day though and we got another clean sheet.

I think Carlton will be in for Whitehall when he’s up to speed.

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Awaywego wrote:

Hope WG sort of understands why we didn’t sign him.

We didn’t need him obviously. Beestin, carlton and Whitehall are all definitely better right from the off and Butler rates Fishburn, so what would have been the point in signing him ?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

You must be one of the only Iron supporters who has WHAM’s back. Are you unwell?

He/it is a wind up merchant, end of story.

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I’d also change Roberts for Brogan and I’d maybe rest Beestin for Fishburn. Beestin we’ll have to manage to keep him fresh with the injuries he’s had and even though Roberts has been poor in ACM, he’ll need managing correctly too.

You could even make a case for Rowley or Shrimpton to get a start to ensure Scales is fresh for this Sat.

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The conman was after breaking us and making money once we were liquidated and he get’s a slap on the wrist ?.

What a joke.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Do you work in a launderette WG? Some expert advice there lad!

Ha !. No, I can’t say I do. I used to have that happen all the time though as a kid buying shirts when my dear Old Mother used to abuse the washer’s temperature dial.

I also wash trainers few times a year in a muslin drawstring bag with some trainer cleaner popped in each trainer and it’s never done them any harm. They come up very clean and never had stitching come out. Cool wash and pop more delicate items in a bag and it prevents damage when they rattle around or catch on the drum.

If you use that as a mantra you can’t go wrong.

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