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Where’s our even more needed, dominant CM player?
Pretty sure were to sign Luke Williams who’s been training with us for the last 6 weeks. Butler is still signing players to play in his beloved 3/5/2 formation.
Telling you now, I can’t see this ending well.
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Read twitter posts and listen to people on a match day and we all say exactly the same thing about the formation not working. Butler after yet another defeat and a terrible performance is still claiming the formation is fine.
Up to press this season we’ve had two complete performances and one of those was against a shocking Farsley side. I honestly don’t know what he’s watching.
I’m puzzled as to why fans are thinking more players are going to turn this around with Butler in charge. The man is in complete and utter denial.
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Regarding new additions not making a difference – we shall see.
In this system, No. To play this system effectively we’ll need two natural wing backs, two new CB’s and another striker. These players we have at the minute are not suited to the formation Butler wants them to play in.
We all can see it, only person who can’t is Butler.
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Couple of new faces could have a big impact
Not in this formation they won’t. Still will have defenders on the pitch that aren’t comfortable playing where they’re asked to play and a slow build up midfield. Butler is the one that needs to change it because if he doesn’t all he’ll end up doing is playing fresh players for them to struggle in the same system.
Clearly doesn’t work. Needs to start Brogan and Beestin which are most likely out two best CM players for this level. I know Butler has his favourite players, but he needs to play his best ones.
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She saved the club has been and gone now, and people aren’t going to turn up forever with anyone projecting that mantra
I do agree with this to some extent. A lot of fans now are starting to get extremely pissed off with the current situation and if this carriers on for a great deal longer I can see it all turning a bit nasty.
Michelle has worked wonders, but fans also stood up to be counted and have done everything to help the club out, but that also doesn’t mean they are going to put up with this shite much longer.
If Butler is further financially backed and we tumble down the table, you don’t have to be a genius to figure out how this is all going to pan out.
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The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
4/4/2 isn’t suited at all. Law who’s a legitimate winger is injured which leaves Roberts as the only out and out winger. Carlton plays wide but wide of a front 3, so I’d argue 4/3/3 is more suited, but Butler won’t play anything apart from this formation he set his heart on.
Only problem is that it doesn’t suit the players. Brogan can’t buy a game despite looking good every time he comes on as a sub and Nicholson can’t not get a game just because he throws a ball far even though he looks like a death trap and seemingly can’t defend.
You work that out !
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Sick of to this lot. Center backs that that are huge yet nobody fears them and they have little mobility .
Said before about the CB’s, especially Evans is they’re too nice “as a lot of our players are” for this level. Shrimpton last week should have gone for the ball and if needed through the ref for it, but instead far too nice.
Nicholson doesn’t want to be anywhere near the CB starting spots at the minute, minus his huge throw he’s an absolute car crash. Scales is piss weak to be played in CM as a two and Clunan often get’s barged straight off the ball. Far too lightweight.
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The only Rolls Royce you get for nothing is knackered.All the money was tied up.He was shopping in Primark.The results s lasted as long as a Primark polo shirt, one wash
Why bring Rowley in and sign that lad on dual registration when he could have signed two wide players?
We’ve ended up with 4 players as strikers and only two of them are actually strikers. Butler signs Carlton as our supposed goal scoring threat to play him upfront due to him believing he was a striker, even though he’s played on the wing nearly all his career.
Despite a huge throw, Nicholson at the back looks like a death trap.
I agree with that you’re saying about Butler being hamstrung somewhat with the budget, but what he’s done with it is an absolute joke. People on twitter say we should walk this league as we have the best squad in it, but it’s terrible and has absolutely no balance to it whatsoever.
Butler has to take responsibility for it, you can’t keep blaming the con man with 20 names.
Butler has the players if he shuffled them correctly to play a 4/3/3 now if he really wanted to, but he won’t do it. Hate to say it because I really wanted him to succeed, but this is largely down to Butler’s doing. The prats behind the scenes who offered him an extension after only 7 games didn’t help either.
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If we sign a striker and change the shape we could play Carlton on the wing where he was so successful last season for Chorley.
Carlton scored those goals last season as a part of a front 3. Butler could field that formation now, Roberts and Carlton either side of Whitehall, but chooses not to.
Clunan Beestin and Brogan in midfield with a flat back 4. Butler has the players to play it, but won’t. I don’t see what signing more players is going to do personally.
The problem in my opinion is Butler and his fascination with playing this stupid formation.
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He’s a winger isn’t he, let’s face facts here. Play 4/3/3 with carlton one side, Roberts the other with Whitehall “if fit” up top. Beestin, brogan with clunan sitting a bit deeper with a proper flat back 4.
Least that would be more simplistic and would suit the players.
What made Butler think Carlton was striker when he played nearly all last season cutting in from the wing ?
The squad he’s assembled is bizarre to say the least.
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So Carlton back to being a forward again WG, lol, to me if Whitehall is out you’ve got to persevere with him he just needs game time and confidence a goal might just sort it all out for him.
To be fair after that first half performance from him against Spennymoor when he couldn’t trap a simple ball up to him, gave me flash backs all those years ago of Matt Bailey “those who know, know”
I fully understand he isn’t fully fit, but he was failing to do the simple basics a not match fit player should have pulled off. I’m not giving up on him because where we are we can ill afford to give up on anybody, but interesting to see he’s a been a winger nearly all his career and netted 16 last season again cutting in from the wing.
I remember Butler saying when he signed him he saw him as a striker so maybe he’s feeling as little bit out of his depth playing there and couple that with the lack of match fitness and over eagerness to impress could be what’s making him struggle so much.
That performance the other night was worrying from Carlton. There were some questionable performances across the board, but can’t remember seeing a player struggle as much as him in a very, very long time.
It does throw up questions and make you ask yourself if he’s a striker as Butler believes or a winger where he’s played the majority of his career ?
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I know people think this is harsh what I’m about to say but Turnbull has been living off his past exploits of signing Sharp, keogh e.t.c years before. Who’s he brought in post Sharp, Keogh who’s been any good ?
All we keep doing is keeping him in the background involved when he’s had a hand in signing absolute dross for previous failed managers. Sorry it’s just not good enough.
This fascination with keeping people because “they’re part of the furniture & bleed claret and blue has to stop”. I’d much rather have somebody here in an advisory role when it comes to signings who knows this level particularly and what it takes to get out of it.
All the times we’ve tried this it’s worked with Adkins, no more.
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