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  • in reply to: Play off dates #299231
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    Looks like it could possibly be the day before – presumably the North/South finals are consecutive days but the order not decided yet.

    https://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/key-dates-confirmed-for-the-end-of-the-national-le-83260

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe United Unity Group #299070
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    The Iron Trust accounts for the last year show expenditure including £6000 purchases of club shares . Those accounts are dated 31.8.24, so it is quite possible that further share purchases have happened since then.

    That they have not yet been properly registered is not the Trust’s fault.

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe United Unity Group #299013
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    Realised that reading back the thread afterwards.

    The Trust shares total 562 according to SYI, I have tried finding the shareholders list but am having no joy!

    I probably wasn’t as clear as I should’ve been; it’s shareholding number 562 on the list, which at the time of publication (1.2.25) was 50 £20 shares. I can only imagine any further purchases are yet to be formalised, even if the Board has agreed to their sale.

    Detail is on the Confirmation Statement which can be found be searching Beta Companies House under the Filing History for Scunthorpe United. The link I tried to attach was so long I didn’t bother!

    in reply to: Scunthorpe United Unity Group #298983
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    Just gone through the latest shareholders list and can’t see any held by the iron trust unless I’ve missed them (there were 52 pages)

    Anyone any idea under which name they go under on that list.

    Iron Trust – Shareholding 562

    Anyone know what happened to the shares owned by the now defunct Official Supporters Club?

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe United Unity Group #298746
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    At the time of the last set of accounts, there were 8.9m shares.

    Once Swann had more than 75% of them, which he achieved by converting loans into shares, he cancelled AGMs, as he was allowed to do. He could have forced all shareholders to sell up (as the Glazers did at Man U) once he had 90%+.

    Any small shareholding will only ever be symbolic, however meaningful to the individuals and groups holding them, if the major shareholders aren’t willing to engage.

    I hold a small number of shares, and am well aware of their worthlessness in reality unless there was a desire amongst major investors to take the club into private ownership (which even Swann avoided, despite his initial hope that every shareholder would donate their shares to him, to “make it easier to dispose of the company” – my first inkling he didn’t necessarily have the club’s interests at heart).

    in reply to: 7 Players & A High Wage Bill #298236
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    “How do clubs like Wycombe get to 2nd place in league 1 with tickets very similar in price to ours and average crowds only 1000 or so higher?“

    Billionaire owner.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/crgy1k89zgko

    in reply to: Was it really Elton John? #297158
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    They got promoted the week before at Bournemouth, and clinched the championship at the OSG that day with six games to spare. Understandable that he’d want to be there, even if it is the only time he’s been to Scunthorpe to watch a match.

    in reply to: Ex-Manager watch #296683
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    He signed Aaron Chapman yesterday, which explains his absence from the Hereford team a few days ago I suppose..

    in reply to: Bax Mellend #296663
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    For anybody interested (which I appreciate might be very niche on this board), Peterborough Council has been under no overall control since 2019. This link confirms the recent position:
    https://www.peterborough.gov.uk/news/council-remains-in-no-overall-control-1#:~:text=Following%20yesterday's%20election%20the%20party,%2D%204%2C%20Independent%20%2D%203.

    Wikipedia will provide more detail on the past for anybody who might actually care…

    in reply to: This Week Ten Years Ago #295715
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    Still the FA Cup record, but superseded as the English record on Tuesday…
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqx8gv9rw35o

    in reply to: Connor Townsend #288935
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    I wouldn’t get too excited about a sell-on, given these are usually based on the profit made on a sale.

    If this article is true, there’s no profit, nor indeed if the rumoured fee at the time (half that reported here) is correct.

    https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/transfers-ipswich-town-closing-in-west-brom-conor-townsend-yokuslu-asante-4724120

    in reply to: Spennymoor Town FC #282591
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    Wot, no Vanarama coverage on Tuesday night?

    Schedule suggests otherwise…

    https://www.nationalleaguetv.com/schedule

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    in reply to: jimmy Deans Blyth post match interview #280629
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    if there were 7 decent teams in the league we would be 7th.

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    Pedantic I know, but 8th, surely?

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    in reply to: Tamworth home #280063
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    Was that the, shouldn’t really mention his name, Darren Deadman game?

    It was indeed. It never has come out why he was dropped as a ref, though incompetence must be a possibility regardless of the insinuations in the article.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4176473/referees-darren-deadman-david-coote-sacked-before-season-kicks-off/

    Coote is back as a ‘top ref’ now but I haven’t heard anything of Deadman for a long time…

    in reply to: 1899 / 100 Members Consultation Event @ GP Monday 18th #278165
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    I decided not to invest and thankfully my daughter heeded my advice and also did the same.

    If i had decided to go ahead then i would be working with others in the same boat to form group sponsored legal team to challenge WHAM for a refund.. Dodgy Dave as the labour MP Denis Skinner once called out in the HOP.

    Why?

    The 1899 membership (joining a club, and not ‘investing’ into anything) was explicitly sold by the club, having been advertised on the club website and sold via the club commercial department. It clearly doesn’t represent investment into SUFC (1899) Ltd., as membership only provides the opportunity to buy into SUFC (1899].

    The fact that the previous chairman was chairman at the time doesn’t give him personal liability for the transaction under company law (which provides limited liability for shareholders), though he could potentially be found to have been in breach of his fiduciary duties as a director towards shareholders by not acting in the best interests of shareholders in introducing the scheme.

    Until this is proven, I can’t see how he is personally liable, nor why 1899/100 club members would need to be in contact with anyone other than the club. The club’s actions in reaching out to those members suggests this is the case, and also that the club will be trying to negotiate its way out of the liabilities they have been left with by the promises made under the membership scheme.

    The only people in a direct relationship with the former chairman under this scheme would be any (if there are any) who paid their optional £1 to invest into SUFC (1899) Ltd., and with limited liability they’re not going to be sustaining a substantial loss given the share purchase price.

    in reply to: 1899 / 100 Members Consultation Event @ GP Monday 18th #278157
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    All these extremely naive people who invested money into the scheme, invested into SUFC (1988) LTD, a company solely owned by David Hilton, a sole trader and Director, they did not invest in any company associated with Scunthorpe United Football Club.
    They have no claim legally against the club. The claim is against the owner of the company they invested in, that company is still trading and a simple google search will point them in the direction.

    They didn’t. It was advertised via the club, with enquiries to be addressed to the club. One of the benefits was an opportunity to buy a share in SUFC (1899) Ltd.

    https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/february/fan-stadium-ownership-opportunity–lifetime-1899-membership-package/

    I didn’t buy one, but those that did are not as naive as you’re claiming, despite buying into something that would have no value should the club go into administration.

    Without having looked into the terms and conditions in any detail, nor being a lawyer of any sort, I’d imagine they have a legally binding contract with the club at this point.

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    in reply to: Radio Humberside #275834
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    We did once have Jimmy Hill as a stand-in official. Not that one though…

    https://www.theposhtrust.co.uk/matchesplayed/1009/joe-neenan/19881029-scunthorpe-united

    in reply to: Radio Humberside #275833
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    I remember Jimmy Hill as a sub lino. at the OSG. (It could have been GP, my memory isn’t that good)

    Are you sure? This was the famous time he did it…

    https://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/tv-pundit-jimmy-hill-runs-the-line

    in reply to: Gainsborough groundshare #273275
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    Hmm, bluffing doesn’t equal negotiating tactic IMO. Playing Poker hasn’t worked so far has it?

    It may not be ethical, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen…

    https://academic.oup.com/book/5430/chapter-abstract/148281756?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    in reply to: Gainsborough groundshare #273271
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    Call swanns bluff into thinking we no longer want and need the ground so he drops his asking price.

    As a negotiating tactic, there’s a very, very slim chance that this might work. But not if you announce it publicly as what you’re doing….

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    If the trust have £800,000 TJO that should be enough for a down payment for the ground my £1000 would soon follow.

    Just to clarify, Scunthorpe United FC Community Sports and Education Trust, which has £897000 funds carried forward in its most recent accounts, is not The Iron Trust.

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    in reply to: Radio Humberside #270969
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    (reply to lesgeo)

    Internet commentary available on BBC Humberside website isn’t usually as far behind ‘live’ as the stream. Start listening, freeze/pause when they mention kick off, then press play when the stream shows the kick off.

    Worked flawlessly for me on Monday, but I have to admit I didn’t think of it until half time!

    in reply to: Car Park #265058
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    they sold 1899 club memberships didn’t they, wasn’t that a share in a ground they hadn’t bought?

    Technically not; spending £1899 bought you the option to spend another £1 to buy a share in the company that would own the ground. Amongst other fantastic benefits.

    in reply to: Successful season #261477
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    Cameron Burgess a regular in the Ipswich L1 promotion side!

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    in reply to: Season tickets #257841
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    “The Price of Football” podcast raised this a couple of weeks ago with a representative from Lincoln City who seemed unhappy that their ‘card merchant’ had done the same to them just as they were launching their Early Bird tickets despite no prior issues with chargebacks, but had been told it was on the basis of a risk assessment.

    Alternatives he investigated had either wanted substantial bonds to be paid or would withhold payments and distribute funds as games were played. He pointed out that the entire reason for Early Bird deals is to get cash flow for the summer when there are few other inflows, and that if you have to wait until August for payments to start, it rather defeats the object…

    in reply to: Explosive stuff Ernest #251967
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    in reply to: Administration #244956
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    In the most recent accounts the club has negative total equity of £2.3m, whereas in the accounts to June 2013 total equity was positive at £2.8m.

    I’m struggling to see how that’s a better financial position, but then Peter is cleverer than all of us, as evidenced by his recent refusal to answer questions during the Humberside interview on the basis that his interviewer wouldn’t be capable of understanding, so doubtless he’s right..

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    in reply to: Administration #244906
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    Thankhand was a spectacularly poor idea, as evidenced by its lack of success.

    It was particularly embarrassing that Swann associated the club with it.

    If there was any value to it, and the rights were owned by the club, its value wouldn’t be reflected in the accounts, as you can only include the value of intangible assets (including trademarks, copyright etc,) if you’ve paid for them.

    Equally, I suspect that any upside would be to Swann’s benefit, rather than the club’s, and that despite using the club website to promote the idea, there was little chance that the club would benefit.

    I was being sarcastic in reference to earlier comments about the lack of club assets, at the same time as remembering one of our great leader’s scintillating business ideas. Has anyone actually told him what a “Spyglass” is, and so why his James Bond-themed bar in Blackpool is so ridiculously irrelevantly named??

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    in reply to: Administration #244880
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    Surely only the accounting convention precluding valuation of internally developed intellectual property is preventing the innovative Thankhand (TM) from being valued at millions in the club accounts?

    https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2020/april/thankhand/

    Unless Peter was only using the club to promote yet another stunningly successful business idea…

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    in reply to: HOW MUCH LONGER #243197
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    None.

    Interesting that the top 3 transfers from the National League all went to Peterborough

    Lee Tomlin from Rushden and Diamonds to Peterborough in 2010 for £225,000

    Shaun Brisley from Macclesfield to Peterborough in 2012 for £350,000

    Jack Taylor from Barnet to Peterborough for £500k in 2020.

    Wasn’t Vardy to Leicester considered the record for non-league? On a technicality, Fleetwood had been promoted to the league before he signed for Leicester, but he left well before the new season started.

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