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    There is one party which is against democratic norms in the USA, and it’s not the Democrats. One which couldn’t accept an election loss and made efforts to overturn. One which is currently gerrymandering for its own benefit. One which sees an investigation by the FBI as against democracy, based on unevidenced conspiracies about evil elites. Opposing this is not against democracy. Supporting those trying to tear down legal responsibility for actions, because they support those involved is. No-one is above the law in the USA.

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    in reply to: Roe v Wade #242415
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    Ah, yes. The Republican FBI head is secretly working for the Democrats in a fiendish plot to retrieve documents, as in any legal investigation. This is all conspiracy theory, and a worry. It shows how far the right have fallen on respect for the law and democracy. If their favoured candidate is involved in an investigation it has to be crooked, but waffle about Benghazi, Hunter Biden’s laptop (or some other spurious claim) has to be real. For some reason, those FBI heads, who are Republicans, are working with Democrats for some deep state power grab. Make it make sense

    I am surprised you have fallen down this rabbit hole of tin foil hattedness, JI. I thought you were more reasonable than that. It will be paedophile rings from pizza restaurants next and Q’s plan to out them all.

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    in reply to: Played 2 – Won 2 #242410
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    Ah. I assumed you lived in Staines. :-)

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    in reply to: Roe v Wade #242406
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    Well, they have raided his house. We do not know what for; it could be to retrieve a document which he was refusing to hand over. As little as that. The hyperventilating from the right, who seem to expect the former president to be above the law, is nothing short of pitiful. Yet another example of the American right showing they do not care about things like democracy and the law.

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    Why do Wrexham need 4 sodding goalkeepers?

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    The game of course, how has non football crept in again?

    You were the one who posted this on a non-footy thread. :-P

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    in reply to: Played 2 – Won 2 #242362
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    Bloody heck. Let’s not get like the self-declared Man Utd of the conference (a.k.a Grimsby Town) were when they first got relegated. We are down here because we deserve to be and our name means little. We aren’t bound to stroll the league.

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    in reply to: Remember him? #242293
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    De Santis is as bad as Trump. These people aren’t saviours of the Republicans. The party is rotten and has been for a long time.

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    It’s a bit too conspiratorial for my liking. Some of the stuff is nonsense, but I don’t think there’s a fiendish plan to distract. Fox News, and similar awful outlets, see it as a money maker.

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    Are you talking about the game or Kansas, Bobby? X-)

    in reply to: Roe v Wade #242247
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    One point made in there is that this position is still arguing the hypothetical. The way many states have been gerrymandered have overwhelmingly favoured Republicans to the detriment of the majority in that state. Also, that this predated Trump. The watering down of democracy has long been happening, certainly at state level.

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    They probably are reluctant because of that, but ultimately money talks. Local rags are cash strapped and if they felt they could see some returns they’d come back. As it is, they need to make cut backs and they don’t see the Iron as being worth the same budgeting as they did for Grimsby. Previous poor relations would have potentially nudged them into their decision that bit easier.

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    I am not sure it’s spite, but costs, as David eludes to. Local papers have been dying on their arse for over a decade. :-(

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    Squad depth and fitness of Butterfield and Whitehouse may come into play there. I am however far more confident of not being in a relegation scrap now. :-)

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    in reply to: Roe v Wade #242226
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    Interesting article on the subject, which touches on how state democracy. I find it a bit rich of Republicans to claim they’re standing for state democracy when they have done so much to damage state democracy.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/state-legislatures-are-torching-democracy

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    I appreciate that you stand for putting it to a vote, but I am still uneasy about laws restricting freedoms of others based on belief. I wouldn’t be happy with a move to ban mixed race marriage if the majority voted for it, for example, just because it was voted for by a majority. It would still be infringing upon people’s freedoms. I am uneasy about things like human rights and bodily autonomy being put to the court of public opinion. There are instances today and in history where one group of people would be voted to be oppressed if put to a majority.

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    If God’s heart breaks on abortion, it could get its arse into gear about miscarriages.

    What’s often not said, is that abortion rates were actually higher pre-Roe v Wade. While much of the decline could be attributed to greater birth control, it does mean that illegality is not a restriction to abortion. The difference being the unsafe nature of it. Women get raped, pregnancy is a risk where the mother’s life may be in danger. People can sit and judge and say they may not make the bulk of cases, but the fact is women’s lives are either put at risk or through misery for grand moralising from the religious.

    Moreover, as has been said, it’s the woman’s body and they are the ones who have to live with the consequences. The men can scuttle off and moralise about the woman, as they so often do. I wonder how many men would be willing to have forced vasectomies (a reversible process), until willing to try for a family, to prevent unwanted births. I am willing to bet many would then complain about their freedom.

    Contraception doesn’t always work, pregnancy affects them for their entire life, putting their own careers and lives in a different way. At a stage where the zygote/embryo/foetus is of decreased sapience I am struggling to justify why it should be placed equal or above to the woman. We can disagree with the motives for some for abortion, but frankly, it’s the lesser of all evils, given the alternatives. The consequences of such we saw before, as anyone who is familiar with works like Motherhood with Bondage could attest.

    JI complains about Roe v Wade being an imposition of a particular worldview on others, but wants to impose his worldview on women going for this, based off Christian beliefs. People have a right to be pro-life, but they shouldn’t have the right to impose their beliefs on others. Restrictions on people’s freedoms can be justified, where deemed necessary or moral. It’s people’s beliefs which drive the objection to abortion. I don’t think we should restrict people’s rights over their own bodies based on beliefs. It should be evidence driven. If Christians, or whoever, don’t like it, then tough. People shouldn’t be forced to be controlled by dogma, no matter its stripe. Christian, Islamic, communist or fascist.

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    in reply to: Roe v Wade #242093
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    Never did reply to my response to you pointing out which States had made abortion illegal immediately after the ruling did you JI? You may have missed it but I suspect you chose not to acknowledge you’d got it wrong.

    On the face of it, it was about giving state rights. However, I cannot help but feel it was with the knowledge that many would do outright bans as to why they were so desperate to repeal, not concerns over state rights. The same people refuse states to have say on gun laws, despite their apparent principles on state rights.

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    You presume too much and are overly confident in your own position. You think such, because you agree with it. Others may have valid critique, but it’s not like you’d listen.

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    That really convinces me it’s worth bothering with and generating a discussion, and that you will be receptive to comments, and not condescending at all. :-)

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    We all know you wouldn’t change any aspect of your opinion, no matter what, so why bother?

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    Maybe Peter Swann isn’t planning on building flats in place of Glanford Park. He’s wanting to turn it into a Gulag. :-O

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    in reply to: Not Being Too Controversial. #241907
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    He’s still a free agent. I am not terribly surprised and I, for one, am pleased we have a new goalkeeper. He may be young, but so was Watson. We had years of give Watson a chance, he will come good, only for him never to reach great heights. Last season was an improvement, but let’s not kid ourselves; he was hardly of great quality.

    A downside is that Dewhurst is on loan for one season, so is unlikely to be here long term, if he is good enough. However, it’s a fresh start and we can move beyond hoping Watson will show his worth, at long last.

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    NI hasn’t posted an ad-hominem. It’s not addressing any argument of yours. It’s a quote of Gandhi’s opinion.

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    Hmmm. I am not sure about the labelling of ‘so-called Christian.’ I may disagree with them on various aspects of their belief, and BPG has let it known he’s a creationist previously, but I don’t want to go into such accusations over true Christianity. For many reasons.

    Even the bit about fraud. Was there interference? Probably, yes. The government’s own refusal to publish the Russia report is shameful, especially their trumpeting about democracy over the referendum and its result. Yet this always veers too much into the vote itself.

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    We did warn them about how he has all the loyalty of a serpent. :-)

    Loyalty??? Would you be loyal to your employer if a competitor at a much higher level knocked on your door with a lucrative pay rise and signing on fee in the offing?

    I was being more than a bit tongue in cheek.

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    We did warn them about how he has all the loyalty of a serpent. :-)

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    I am not a Wolfie Smith leftist either. I am no fan of communism. I am a boring old centre-left social-democrat moderate.

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    A reason why conspiracy theories appeal is because they reduce what are complex topics into a distilled and simple worldview which is easy to understand and reduces uncertainty. The problem with trying to deal with complexity is that the solutions are not easy, nor are they without issues. Making it all because of a insidious group’s bidding makes it easier to pin down, reducing the anxiety.

    As Deerey says, a lot of the issues over our lives and how free we are come down to technology. However, this isn’t complex. There have been many wonders of technology, which has led to breakthroughs in science and medicine, helping us to live longer lives. However, the ability of our phones to store information has made us easy to track and monitor, which can be abused by authoritarian regimes. The improvement of AI has allowed countries like China to monitor dissidents far easier and restrict freedom. Growing access to social media has connected us to the world and has enabled us to easily talk to friends or family who live far away, and make friends we never would have normally made pre-internet. However, people have siphoned off into their echo chambers, where they surround themselves with people who agree with them on most things, so don’t expose themselves to challenging thought. Information is readily available from the search of Google. However, various groups of all stripes send disinformation across social media and the internet, allowing people to comfort their own opinion than truly challenge it with evidence based dissent.

    There are many problems here which affect people to be free. However, the idea that it’s all some neo-Marxist plot takes some believing. I am aware you say that it’s not traditional Marxism, BPG, but what you are referring to is still stemming from Marxism (according to the proponents of this) and of the left. Yet, many countries and societies are losing freedom from the right. Facebook aren’t harvesting data from you for some neo-Marxist conspiracy; they do it, because it makes them a profit from who they sell it to. Hungary, Russia and India* are losing their freedoms to dissent because of a right wing ideology. Of course leftist dictatorial states still exist (e.g. Venezuela, Cuba), but to portray all of modern problems as a simplistic, good v bad narrative, where only a leftist faction is to blame is rather fanciful.

    *And they justify their turn to tyranny as opposition to cultural Marxism.

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    I know the portrayed difference; you have specified. It’s still stupid and the idea of it leading to deaths and misery, as suggested, is only believed by the gullible.

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