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Thank-you for finally giving me something to go on. I don’t know the full context, but it definitely sounds dodgy enough for my liking.
There’s nothing wrong with think tanks as such, the problem comes from transparency, which these things often lack. There is nothing wrong with calling for openness for a functioning democracy. This is what a lot of the criticism has focussed on, and is being dismissed here.
I don’t think it’s fair to say race had anything to do with the decision of Truss over Sunak. Kemi Badenoch was the most popular of all Tory candidates among members.
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“As being left is generally associated with caring”
The Kulaks may disagree. :-)
I never said he wasn’t very left…
*Emphasis on the pretty, in a British way.
I wouldn’t go that far, but he’s pretty left.
I will note that comment if you ever complain that leftists dismiss a source because they’re right wing, as has been done previously.
I have zero idea as to what the comment was which you are referring to; no-one can, because you have brought no evidence. It goes without saying that anti-Semitism is appalling, but I (and others) cannot call it out or show themselves to be hypocrites without anything to go on.
The only joke is that you have resorted to snide comments aimed at my comment because I have asked what this was and I am not going off assertions. This is what I meant by me interpreting you as being unable to take criticism, and seeing yourself as above everyone else. Any kind of disagreement is automatically rejected, because we don’t inherently agree with you.
You expect me to take you at your own word, and if not you dismiss and resort to such snide behaviour. I have not insulted you with that comment, I have not abused you, yet you have acted in a manner which is to treat me as duplicitous and not asking in good faith. Yet you would complain if I reacted.
I can very well believe someone on the left made an anti-Semitic comment, but I can’t condemn anything if I have no sodding clue as to what it was. Racism is a serious charge and shouldn’t be taken lightly.
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There should be questions asked about who funds these groups and how much influence they operate. It doesn’t matter what flavour the government is, transparency is key. Those saying it’s just sniping from the left are appearing tribal and unwilling to accept critique.
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Trust is also hard to regain, and watching her recently, do you seriously think she can improve her image? There was good reason Tories were happy with Corbyn as Labour leader from the off, Tories should do the same with Truss. If they want to kid themselves into thinking it looks good with Truss, I am more than happy, from a non-Tory perspective.
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I think it would help your case if you bring in specific details. From the outside, lack of awareness of what you’re referring to is a valid position to hold, and isn’t ‘convenient’.
Your demeanour doesn’t bother me in the slightest, Siderite. You’re perfectly entitled to your views and I respect your right to have them, regardless of how negative or positive they might be towards me or anyone else. I would simply ask you to understand that as someone whose political views are different to the vast majority on this board I’ve taken a lot of abuse. Some might think I deserve it, which is up to them, but either way it explains why I take the position that I do.
Tbh I can see how others may have aggravated you same as the other way round. Everything is polarised right now. I have an idea I might share tomorrow to improve things, though it will probably achieve little, so stay tuned if you want to laugh at how naff it is.
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I wasn’t saying 50 years is a definitive figure. I was pointing out that the issue over oil is less to do with volume of reserves in total, mote total economically extractable.
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“Also Siderite, I don’t think that I’m an ‘expert’ at all.”
It really doesn’t come across like that to me. I am sceptical, which is why I am sceptical of you, yet I get berated. If you don’t want me to think like this then address the concerns, or just accept I am a person who might not view you positively in some regards, fairly or not. I try to be reasonable, but personal opinions won’t be changed without demonstration. Which means less dismissiveness and smug pronouncements for me. If you don’t think you need to change, fine (it is just my opinion), but you can’t police how I view your demeanour.
I was admittedly talking about oil, but that is true. There are of course reasons we should ween ourselves off such, but I am not going to get into that roundabout again.
Suffice to say, I have mostly disagreed with you on this ’roundabout’, less so on renewables, before you start crowing.
I think we’re in danger of monopolising the issue. I am not denying things like the immobility to nuclear for a role, but it’s multifaceted, so to say this is solely because of energy direction is too simplistic.
Also, those who have flaws in their work won’t be without controversy. You can’t just dismiss criticism because it comes from many sources.
Contrarianism does not equal greater credibility. I have seen this claim come often from many, including on here (alcazar a prime culprit). The idea that those who are on the side of a majority position or mainstream position are somehow being gullible sheep. As if you’re being a radical free thinker for being different, it means you’re thinking outside the box. It doesn’t. Blindly rejecting more mainstream opinion for some fringe view is as illogical and gullible as blindly trusting anything someone says.
I am not stating you are doing this here, but it’s worth bearing in mind when praising people because they go against a more common position. It doesn’t automatically put you in some enlightened position or make critics wrong.
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Labour has had a problem with a certain brand of anti-Semitism, often disguised as anti-Zionism, for some time now. The sort of thing which has led Roger Waters to declare that British and American Jews are responsible for Israel’s actions. Obviously this has nothing to do with Labour, but it’s the sort of thing which was too readily dismissed before in Labour.
It should be noted that said authors are not without issue:
A closer examination of the fantastical numbers in Bjorn Lomborg’s new book
However, I am not interested in conspiracies about elites trying to silence dissent, from defenders who can’t tolerate criticism, and see such as silencing.
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This board got closed down because of alcazar and Big J.
This was in response to a Bucks post. I am surprised that post got removed. I don’t recall anything untoward in it.
This board got closed down because of alcazar and Big J.
Going well:
EXC: Some of Liz Truss’s cabinet say her economic reforms are over before they’ve begun because she’s lost the confidence of the Tory Party https://t.co/akQugzUCw9
— Kitty Donaldson (@kitty_donaldson) October 3, 2022
Must be the undercover Marxists in the Tories, like Michael Gove, Esther McVey and Grant Shapps, being saboteurs!
Oh, and discovery of new fields is on the decline, so we can’t rely on new reserves, with more easily and cheaply extracted oil, forever either.
hundreds of years? they took thousands to create . We will run out,better to try now and not be at the whim of greedy markets,it wouldn’t be so bad had the Tories not flogged our national assets of mind you
We will never run out of oil, as such, because we can’t currently easily extract every drop of oil from an oil reserve. Technology allows us to extract more from a reservoir, but as we have to use more challenging technologies to bring up yield, the costlier it will be and eventually it will be far less costly to use alternatives. The idea that we can rely on oil for hundreds of years is still one to to be sceptical of, but it’s not because every drop of oil will have been depleted.
I have no idea as to the racist comment Bucks is referring to.
It really should not need to be said, but I have abhorred the left wing racism for a while. The sort of thing which got Rupa Huq suspended, the anti-Semitism which plagued the party for years, and I am still unsure if it has been fully rooted out by Starmer. I didn’t vote Labour in 2019, largely because of it.
So, yes, please call me a hypocrite if responding to me, and say that it’s convenient, Bucks. It would show you as being tribal in nature, because I can show that I call out racism from all sides.
I am sorry if this is blowing my own trumpet, but given you cast doubt on anyone remotely to the left of you as having principles, and I fear you might try and slander me, I think it is needed to be said for my own pre-emptive defence.
There may be hundreds of years of oil reserves in existence, but there isn’t currently hundreds of years worth that is currently exploitable. Yes, efficiency in extraction may improve, but not to the level of the total percentage of reserve.
Now to await to be told that I don’t know what I am talking about, because I haven’t followed Bucks’s line exactly. Somehow we’re all sheep for disagreeing with him and valuing experts, yet question him and he comes down on you with fury, because he expects to be taken as an expert.
I should add that my point was to prove 64 wrong aboutsuch tags being one sided. I wasn’t saying it was good.
Yet, because I am to the left of Reagan I must be sinister. Yawn.
On topic, Kwarteng was praising recent ‘successes’ delivered by a Conservative government, while accusing recent governments of slow decline, during his conference speech.
I just can’t get behind this snivelling two-facedness. When the previous governments were in power many Tories would defend against criticism, attack the integrity of anyone criticising, yet when they renew themselves they’re deriding what was once supported, and what was once morally suspect to even question.
I try to be reasoned, and out comes the usual suspects drivel. Yawn.
Thick Lizzy regularly trends.
Yawn
One problem. 14 words is literally a fascist statement, so can be accurately labelled as far-right. It’s not because of over-labelling of fascism, in this instance.
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