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None, because I applauded zero. I have said many a time that Israel is acting like the US in the war on terror, which should be a signal that I don’t think the response is right. However, deflect all you like because you’re upset about an Islamist being targeted with no collateral damage in this instance in a regional war already sparked by Iran.

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It was a precision strike in this case, so it wasn’t a carpet bomb, but why let the truth get in the way of slander, eh? It’s funny how you bemoan ‘smearing’ but seem happy with doing it yourself. But, no, I am not upset about the death of someone who brought war and misery to Israelis and Palestinians. Seemingly you don’t particularly care about that. You’re more bothered about the death of a loon who launched mass rapes and killings and said he wanted more ‘martyrs’ for his death cult. So, no, I don’t care about his passing as much as I wouldn’t have Reinhard Heydrich, but that means I support Muslim slaughter because I don’t want someone to slaughter others or cause others to be slaughtered.

As for Tommy Robinson, your bigoted assumptions suit him entirely.

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I knew you’d be unhappy about an Islamist terrorist being taken out who wanted more dead Palestinians and Israelis.

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https://x.com/PeterGarbacz/status/1818742305060536368

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Deereyme66

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Rumours are that he’s off to Ipswich. One year left on his contract, so a fee would be involved.

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Hilton made excuses for the ground not being bought, yet these excuses were resolved by Harness in a month. That’s not ‘rewriting history’, it is what happened. Dodgy Dave failed, though he wasn’t ever interested in having the club succeed.

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Highest bid that ultimately didn’t matter, because much of that was for the stadium and he pretty much immediately found excuses for that with the ‘ransom strip’ that was miraculously fixed easier than it was made out when Harness bought it. Almost as if it was an excuse by Hilton.

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Ferrite

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lol

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Seemingly Glanford Park is part of the global conspiracy of lizardmen to bring in the great totalitarian state of neo-Marxism via capitalist economics. Harness will be attending the WEF this year, no doubt.

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You mean the thread where you claimed most were excluded from the opportunity only for them not to be excluded?

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Yet they are not seeing us as certain mid-table fodder like the ‘realists’.

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Deereyme66

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Do you sniff your own farts too?

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Looks like not many went for the optional high price guaranteed spaces. Seems the spaces went to the raffle. All that fussing by awaywego about people being cheated out was all for nothing.

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I think breaking the whip is more than just internal discourse. To allow that to go unpunished, no matter how moral the cause, would signal weak leadership and the ability for any MP to force whatever path on the party through rebelling. Internal dialogue is allowed, but rebels deciding the party should move in their way is not ‘internal dialogue’. However, it’s easier to pretend any thoughts to the contrary are an ulterior motive when the SCG groups think they have a monopoly on the right path forward, since they’re the most moral people in the universe, and to go against them is immorality by default.

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I think they were making a show to try and put Starmer in a hard position, and find some sway over party positions through it. Only Starmer has no interest in stunts and wants to get on with the job in hand, so considered it to be better to let them go than be seen as weak by being swayed through rebellion. Like you say, Starmer’s Labour has stressed that there will be hard decisions due to financial constraints, but this benefit constraint better go in the end.

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I would like to see the back of this law. However, break the whip and you face consequences, as it always has been in our parliamentary democracy. The rebels should have been smarter and pushed for it afterwards, and doing this after the manifesto just looks silly.

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The lack of a chancing egoist or conning shyster has left some people bored and now mountains are made from molehills.

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It does echo what has been said by Sinwar though, so it is an easy one to fool.

I agree with the horrible situation and tragedies for civilians. I know that saying I understand why Israel has reacted with war and blaming it on Hamas has riled some, but I am not saying Hamas are representative of the totality of Palestinians so I am not blaming it on them. Palestinians have been victims of Hamas violence too in this war, as some of those accounts I have shared above have made clear. Part of the reason why Oct 7th was disturbing for me wasn’t just because Israelis were victims (though, of course, that was a large part of it), but because that would be a trigger for war for every nation, even ones without Netanyahu. So, the human toll doesn’t disaffect me, it makes me hate Hamas more for starting this rubbish. Past ill treatment doesn’t excuse or explain, since others like Mandela and MLK showed another way.

None of it means the IDF haven’t had huge issues; having to re-evacuate is a bad sign of their operation, of course it’s right to question whether the risk of civilian casualties is too high for an operation. However, I don’t think the deliberate decision to maximise civilian casualties with keeping ammo dumps near safe zones (as the New York Times recently spoke about and has been documented elsewhere, even by Amnesty International previously) can be ignored for this, because this is part of the reason for civilian casualties. Sinwar doesn’t care, as he has repeatedly said in interviews with Memri TV and others. My contributions, particularly recently, have been on this to show that it is a two sided issue and that this one aspect does get ignored. The ‘peace marches’ don’t seem to like it when Hamas gets criticised at all, even when talking of how they treat Palestinians, and some speak as if they’re freedom fighters. They’re a ludicrous religious cult endemic to parts of the Islamic world. Of course we should be careful not to follow the path of Tommy Robinson and demonise Muslims; that is a virtue, but there is an issue within aspects of the religion which need forcefully standing against. Hamas are a part of that and Palestinians deserve a future without that kind of hateful, destructive thinking as much as Israelis do for not having to fear them. That fear is also what drives Israelis to their right wing as much as Israeli actions do to Palestinians.

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I will say that I could be wrong on this, but I have seen nothing to the contrary other than speculation. I will do some research and apologise if wrong.

Having tried some research I haven’t found the original source, but I did run it through a video translator to see if the subtitles were accurate. They weren’t, but was still bad (it was more about chasing Jews and Christians across the world to convert them), and I came across a tweet of it from mid-April, so not last week. For that reason I concede it wasn’t the best example to use and I apologise for doubling down on this one example to that degree.

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I have not twisted words. You said Lammy wanted to meet with a war criminal, suggesting you’re against that. I pointed out meeting with Hamas would be bad for that reason, because when pointed out that Lammy wasn’t meeting him to buddy up and met with others you tried to shoehorn them in. Lammy was so against peace he called for a ceasefire, while Corbyn did nothing for peace and supported the wrong uns. You can tell, because he never met anyone on the side, working with the nasty people there, showing where he had bias.

Aye, I am focussed on one side only, which is why I think IDF and Hamas have issues in this war, while you only seem tunnel visioned on one, despite this. If only I was like you and saw it in a ‘balanced’ way so I knew that Hamas members burying ammunition in safe areas was the fault of the IDF. I think a situation where the IDF can be blamed for having to reevacuate and inadequate evacuations and Hamas for using civilians as shields. Yet the ‘balanced’ ones see better and know that Hamas can do whatever they want because they never get criticism.

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Well, that could have been said earlier. The Greens seem to like opposing that, like in Germany with nuclear. It has to be because I have ulterior motives, given this isn’t the only NIMBY behaviour from Greens. Just like with housing developments.

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I am not *against* cables. I am just saying that we need infrastructure for windfarms or any green energy production and opposing pylons on the grounds of habitat destruction leaves with fewer alternatives given underground cables are more destructive. So if the former is bad, the latter is, and the alternative is do nothing at all and rely on fossil fuels. Good for Bucks, but odd from the Greens.

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I will say that I could be wrong on this, but I have seen nothing to the contrary other than speculation. I will do some research and apologise if wrong.

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Aye. It’s unfathomable that Islamists would preach hate for others and that a video that posts bile said by Sinwar and co could be true. Has to be right wing westerners. Islamists are all for love of other religions. It’s not like Hamas have had specific charters calling for similar things, have done similar things (to both Jews and Christians).

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I’m a big supporter of Netanyahu me, think he’s in bed with fascists and that they have committed huge errors and war crimes. However, because I think that Hamas caused the war and play a huge role it means I love Netanyahu and the IDF’s actions.

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Yet I get called out for criticising.

“Even going as far as painting people who opposed them as “antisemites””

Aye, those who refused Jews accessing university buildings, scrawled graffiti on synagogues, on Anne Frank statues, vandalised cinemas showing Oct 7th documentaries, made ludicrous claims about evil Jews organ harvesting Palestinians on no evidence, denied Oct 7th atrocities, called for Israel to be destroyed (knowing what that means), celebrated Oct 7th, made comments on twitter saying stuff like Hitler was right, made it impossible for Jews to openly commemorate past instances of horror like the Black September attacks are all ‘legitimate criticisers of Israel’ and it’s a ‘smear’ to call them antisemites.

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I thought you were against him cosying up to war criminals. He met with the Palestinian authority, which negates your earlier insinuation that he was cosying up to Netanyahu. It was clearly to meet representatives of Israel and Palestine.

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No, Corbyn was never foreign secretary. He was a backbencher who only met with a side he agreed with, Lammy is foreign secretary, so obviously has to meet with foreign leaders and did with both sides.

It’d be hypocritical if I criticised Corbyn for meeting with dodgy groups as foreign secretary, so I assume you have evidence of that.

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So what is the perfect solution then? Dig more destructive underground cables? Do nothing, rely on fossil fuels and let climate change worsen? Or return to a pre-industrial existence?

Also, I do find it funny that investing in green infrastructure and opposing NIMBY conservativism is me ‘against anyone left of Thatcther’.

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They will, but burying and emplacing cables costs more and will destroy habitat across the emplaced area (land disruption is higher for underground than overhead cables). There is no alternative without any cons. It’s either that or do nothing and rely on current apparatus with more fossil fuel usage or just have electricity as a rich man’s commodity.

Voting Green to not mitigate climate change would be an odd one for their party, given they have slammed Labour for it or voting Green to make life hard for the poor would again be odd.

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