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God wasn’t very rich in mercy this weekend, ‘nice’ work in Jersey and Solihull, what a caring omnipotent guy. ‘I’m omnipotent but will turn my face away and refuse to help those in Jersey and Solihull’.

God works in mysterious ways and us mere mortals with sin can’t judge its actions. BPG always has a fall back. ;-)

If a human could do something to stop death and pain, but didn’t, BPG would condemn and say this is what happens when people don’t live by a moral code which only makes sense with Christianity. Yet the supposed arbiter of the moral code acts as the straw man amoral atheist.

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There is a tendency for moral righteousness on the left. However, I don’t know who said they were morally superior to Bucks out of those mentioned in his last post. It seems to be a sweeping generalisation being applied to some on here based on little. And, as NI says, it’s ironic given how he complains how others do this about Tories.

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Hussey’s life being shattered would apply if she was 23, 53 or 83. Age has nothing to do with it.

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I would say no, as they are Labour affiliated. :-)

Also, If anyone else has trivia questions feel free to add some more.

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No, it is the number of MPs. Bobby is closest, but there is a trick in the question. He’d otherwise be correct. The fourth largest party in the House of Commons, with the fourth highest number of MPs is the Cooperative Party with 28, which is more than the Lib Dems’ 14.

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Also, racists would have hounded her regardless of what she did.

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Simon and Ian said they expect it to go through by mid-December. Give them some time before the anguish.

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BobbyGmeister

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Not including the House of Lords. Just the Commons.

I will give the answer tomorrow. ;-)

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I will hold off before confirming to see if anyone gets it. One clue is that it does require thinking outside the box.

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Exactly, Siderite, because it was linked with royalty while anyone linked with the royalty isn’t going to say anything in response. But of course that’s fine because there’s nothing wrong with pillorying an 83 year-old woman if she’s connected with the Royal Family (and no, I’m not suggesting you said or implied that yourself). In fact, according to the likes of Heath the fact she’s had such a life and is now so old just means she should know better.

And, Siderite, what part of my last comment about having an agenda do you fail to understand???? It had nothing whatever to do with having an agenda and still has nothing to do with having an agenda. As I said earlier, the problem is that given Fulani’s very obvious agenda, what she’s actually done is provide perfect ammunition — and a lot of it — for the far right to exploit.

But, hey, at least this provides the usual suspects with an excuse to reel out the same old hackneyed expressions about racist and sneering Tories. The desperately sad thing is that fighting racism appears to be well down the list of what really matters, not forgetting the reason this event was happening in the first place, which was to fight domestic abuse.

She is 83 and of sound mind, so can handle criticism.

And as I said, the far right would find issue no matter what regarding racism claims and how they are handled. The only answer they will be happy with is to shut up about it. Fulani or anyone would always be at fault for raising an issue, so I don’t think this would raise anty more ammunition than any other response. The far right would cause an issue regardless

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One reason we wouldn’t hear about it if Hussey was a working class woman from the street is because she would be less likely to be in a position of authority or note. It’s more newsworthy because it’s linked with the royalty. Someone less of note making similar comments in the pub isn’t. However, such people do complain in less newsworthy contexts.

As for ‘agendas’. Everyone has their biases, but you seemingly like to point out agendas among others in a dismissive way when you have an agenda yourself.

I do agree that education on why it’s racist would be a good response, but racists would use anything as ammunition. Nothing is a legitimate response to racism for them, so they’d use it as ammunition no matter what.

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You say that, but the Republicans have been in thrall to some weird orange cultist for the past few years. :-)

Anyone who disagreed was cast aside as a villain, like Liz Cheney, Romney or McCain.

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Do i care ,no. What I said was ,I was surprised no one “liked” my opening post.
Seems rather insecure??

I know who you’re trying to goad. If you weren’t bothered in any way I don’t think you’d see the need to comment.

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TwoWrights, Just Iron

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Do you need that to feel validated? Seems rather insecure.

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TwoWrights

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That’s usually because you usually cite my views when going into dismissals of any opinion against yours.

In all honesty, I don’t get overly bothered by it. I just like to defend myself, perhaps sometimes overly so, which may come across as it being more bothersome than it is. I have more than enough stresses in my life. No point adding more.

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Oh wait, I thought it was all about the economy, stupid.

While that’s an axiom which has some truth for certain situations, it has been evident for two years that a critical number of Americans have grown weary of Trumpism, its naked corruption and threats to democratic norms.

Many who cast a hugely sceptical eye to anything liberal, while ignoring conservative cases of rashness seemed to see the 2020 election as yet another instance where liberals needed to cater for the Trump fans/true, salt of the Earth, common men because of the high Trump turnout, ignoring the even larger Democrat turnout. The warning signs were there, but the Republicans and those sympathetic didn’t take heed because, as usual, they lack self-critical capabilities and can only focus on issues with the other side. Some of it has elements of truth, but they are blind to their own issues which has motivated many to keep voting Democrat despite it all.

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Belgium have only been ‘heavyweights’ for less than a decade. Portugal will be favourites for their game against Morocco, provided Switzerland don’t stage a miraculous comeback as I type. Netherlands, France, us, Croatia and probably Portugal will still be in it.

South America has always had Argentina and Brazil as heavyweights and they have had a poor 20 years in the world cup. What we’re seeing is a resurgence of them more than anything. Europe still has the most quarter finalists.

These things ebb and flow. Just look at previous world cups. 2002 – France, Portugal out at the group stage, Netherlands didn’t qualify. 2010 – France, Italy out the group stage, England barely scraped through in a poor group. 2014 – England, Spain out of the group stage. 2018 – Italy don’t qualify, Netherlands don’t qualify, Germany out of the group stage.

It’s not much different than normal, except both Brazil and Argentina look like they could make the semi-finals reducing the usual 3+ European teams to probably 2. All 4 semi-finalists could still be European.

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Heaven forbid me saying I don’t think he was doing that.

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I don’t think JI was puffing his chest in some attempt to show how superior he is. He was responding to Gurny’s claims about how he’d act with people who aren’t white.

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Bellingham is sensational though.

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Yes, the polls show the idea is popular. However, when put it on the table they don’t vote for it, and Labour have had a hard time trying to convince the public their policies are economically viable.

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Unpopular like renationalising rail and utilities?

I think the public have some sympathy to the idea of such but need to be convinced as to how nationalisation could be done economically.

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If only Starmer pursued policies that are unpopular with the public, but popular among ‘true Labour’, to demonstrate his ideological purity. What’s the point of getting yourself elected into power, where you can help the country, when you can sit in opposition basking in your moral righteousness in opposition to Tory policies?

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No worries. I admit I find it hard to maybe say anything stronger because I am not the target. I don’t want to take it upon myself to be the forum policeman and create more problems than I probably already do. I did feel the need to say something, especially since I liked Gurny’s post. I wanted to make it clear that I was liking it for the rest of the post which I think raises good points, so you didn’t think I was liking that particular element of the post.

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Just Iron

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I thought so, you’d mentioned them before. My reference to Corbyn was solely as a high profile example who has the same generalised commonalities with the elements you were describing.

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This thread is about Ukraine. I am aware that aspects of the left only seem to care about the Palestine situation, but effort can be made to focus on other countries’ situations too. Unfortunately there are those who apologise for our support Russia in this conflict, and it’s that which Deerey is focusing on.

Palestine isn’t some acid test for human rights support worthiness, if they are excusing Russia they’re excusing a mass murdering rogue state, and I’d argue many who focus on Palestine aren’t being particularly moral. Too many are apologists for Hamas and Hezbollah, which is why their flags often appear at demos.

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He’s allowed to believe it and we’re allowed to criticise. I was bringing him up as a high profile example of those who Deerey is alluding to.

You usually complain when threads get diverted. Palestine is a separate topic.

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Th ‘centre-left’ Corbyn was on Hezbollah sponsored TV the other month saying we need to stop supporting Ukraine for ‘peace’. On this he neglected to mention what that means for Ukraine and its citizens. These are the people Deerey is referring to, I believe. Those who would rather obfuscate and finger wag at the west rather than deal with the uncomfortable truths that many of the west’s enemies are unplatable.

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A lot of well reasoned arguments there Gurny. I wouldn’t pass aspersions onto how JI would converse with black people, but the rest are really good points.

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I don’t think the initial question was the major problem. The issue is that she apparently kept asking after being repeatedly told Britain.

Either way, this issue would have been sorted with an apology,ideally, but neither side wants that, so it will be yet another stupid culture war borne out of intransigence.

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