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Where has this “Turnbull was a Hilton mouthpiece” come from? He made that poor statement about fan protests under Swann, but I have some sympathy given the circumstances. There was a lot of worry over the future of the club and Swann would have pressured him.

Under Hilton he was very quiet, and I suspect not keen on what was being done to the club by that wrecker. However, from what has been said on podcasts since it was clear that himself, Michelle and Roj worked their socks off to sort out the mess left by Hilton. For that alone he deserves thanks and respect, alongside many years of loyal work.

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If the board wanted to freshen up player recruitment, fine, but Lee deserved a better statement than that.

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I think it was possibly sarcasm.

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Measured criticism would be fine, but anyone who turns on the board because of Butler is being idiotic. We would rightfully be seen as the most entitled fanbase by others to lose support for them after backing the wrong manager, even with mistakes made.

I am glad we have stability and a recovering club and do not miss the drama of the latter Swann years and the entirety of Hilton’s. Harness will get the respect from most (I suspect) for that after the idiocy of the previous two, even if it bores them when their better custodianship gets mentioned.

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I have also heard some whispers about Dean and his own past, which are a bit disconcerting.

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Using the terms ‘patience’ or ‘reality check’ is often replied to with ‘I’m sick of hearing about still having a club’

Like that’s just a minor part of our recent history. Yes, the on field situation is not good enough for us right now, but some perspective is needed. Some sounded happier when we were on the verge with unpaid staff and a move to Gainsborough on the horizon than now with a healthier off field situation. Yes, the performances haven’t been good, but the OTT nature as if this season’s poor form trumps the club dying is mad.

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It’s a false 9 now. I have seen articles saying Bergkamp is the best false 9 in history. I always thought of him as a centre-forward, but now he’s been changed to fit modern terminology.

If we have expected goals and expected assists, why not expected headers, expected tackles, expected offsides, expected passes and expected bites (for Suarez)? Coaches could run wild with using this to give evidence of the success of their ‘philosophies’ and use stats to make it seem like they’re achieving something.

We could implement expected flops to the floor and expected finger points to optimise when and how Whitehall falls over and Clunan points to other players.

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Death by micromanagement. I see there are some sites that track expected assists to go along with the other dubious stat in expected goals.

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Sharp_Shooter24 wrote:

Michelle’s 3rd and 4th mistake…

(3) Not seeing what’s clear to most people in that Butlers got zero tactical ability
(4) Allowing Butler more of the budget to go and waste

Enough is enough, stop this nonsense before the Ill feeling starts to be aimed towards the board

If fans turn on the board because of poor on the field performances, after the chaos of the last two clown owners, it will be exasperating.

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Rene Artois wrote:

Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
This directive should be announced to the supporters.
Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…

They won’t and shouldn’t do that. It would be the death knell and a sign of no confidence in Butler. If Butler fails, as he is doing presently, he will fall on his own sword.

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Big performance from the Bucks.

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We played a bit better than last week first half, but without looking truly threatening. Every time Buxton came forward they did, because they could pass and brought forwards together in tandem. As soon as they got a hold of it in the second it was only them winning it.

I cannot defend the team or Butler any more. They’re not good enough. Weak in midfield, weak forwards and the defence is becoming error prone now, and we still persist with this back 5. Carlton wasn’t special, but was the only forward causing them problems, and we looked even worse when he came off.

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Bloomin’ heck. Contrition from awaywego. Is this a new awaywego? :-)

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Danny Elliott has scored 15 goals for Macclesfield so far this season. They seem to be getting a tune out of him.

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To provide some balance, I will say that Turnbull will be looking at players of NLN quality now, while on a reduced budget from last year, and such players are prone to mistakes. Not saying he’s done no wrong, and no good points were raised (that the summer recruits have not managed to get themselves solidified as first teamers is a good point), but thought it was worth adding for consideration.

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And, like I say, I am not arguing dementia, but he is old, as was Biden. Both were unfit and slowing down, noticeably, outside of the partisan. Including for Biden and his supporters.

Has been argued on here, as TwoWrights did in July. It’s not some sudden ‘cope’. I will be the first to admit that the Dems need to do some soul searching in their attempts to reconnect (e.g. on crime in cities), but I am not going to refrain from criticising Trump or pointing out issues.

After all, I am not crying ‘rigged’ like many did last time and plenty spoke of Biden’s mental faculties and were presumably not doing so for finding the result challenging.

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I think it was evident before the rallies tbh and have discussed it with friends for the last few years. Like I say, you could be reaching for the dismissals of others, just as Dems did. It’s not just those who disagree with you who have bias, whereas the ‘reasonably minded’ exist on your side alone.

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Agree to disagree. Not meaning to be snide. Just saying that Biden fans used to say anyone claiming Biden’s mental faculties had decreased were biased (and they weren’t wrong, there was bias), but their claims weren’t without merit. I think the opposite side should take note given the nature of Trump right now, even if most saying it are not his fans.

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£700,000 according to wikipedia.

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Another case, and this is not the only circumstance. Not saying dementia or anything, but the same struggles we got with Biden towards the end. Which is to be expected, he is old.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1846364035073110405

These are just 2 examples. A lot of his talk is just nonsensical rambles now.

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It’s not the only one where he bobs and does nothing and as for the first? Hmmmm, it’s clearly waffling word salad, often slowly said (a lot more than previously) and I am a bit baffled what makes people with clear biases some sort of oracle on it.

It’s not a case of ‘desperately wanting to be’, but it’s being picked on by many. I guess they’re all biased. Like I said, Dems dismissed concerns about Biden to their peril, and Republicans and their supporters seem to be doing now with obvious slowing and illegible waffle.

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Big Keith Hill still without a job.

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I think Republicans are being as blinkered as many Democrats were (including myself) if they can’t see that Trump is not cognitively all there. It’s often stuff like this below or him wandering around like a confused old man when the teleprompter goes and half of his rally goers seemed bored.

https://x.com/ZPoet/status/1853440982911750155/photo/1
https://x.com/chyeaok/status/1844435087624110501/video/1

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Recent games have shown that awaywego was right in the worth of Whitehall. It’s still early days for Carlton, but is doing nothing to show he has to usurp Whitehall in the starting lineup.

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It was the economy (specifically inflation) that did it. With things like immigration and crime as secondary (but not unimportant) factors. Abortion restrictions are not popular, and in places like North Carolina Dems did better outside of the presidential race. Suggests to me is that voters took a vote beyond just one policy and were bothered about grocery prices and punished Biden for it, even if I disagree with them. That’s the way it is. Similar to 92 when Bush Sr led a recovered economy, but was punished.

Not a fan of Ms Gabbard and her apologia for awful people like Assad and ‘blow in the wind’ policy positions.

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It seems a strange one and Cov fans on twitter seem disappointed by it.

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Awaywego

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Have you got Stu Maw’s number? He might be able to give me some suggestions as to what’s best. ;-)

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Robins will be looking for a new club.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Matlock town Fc might be more receptive to your catering suggestions…

Will we get Will Swann coming on here to give us tips on player recruitment?

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I did say I got sucked in for a reason. Though, I couldn’t have asked for a better display over why I think he’s divisive and toxic. I acknowledge my first reply wasn’t courteous, but there are ways to handle it.

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