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  • in reply to: Radcliffe #292765
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    “Butler”! You bloody Muppet where was Whitehall?

    Butler was to blame for many things, but not for not playing an injured player.

    I do agree that Carlton was poor and we missed Whitehall. Also, even if he was having a poor game, subbing for a defensive midfielder was odd.

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    in reply to: Trinity #292763
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    Ugh. Forgot about the scrapped replays.

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    I have tried to be positive and to put things into perspective, but that wasn’t good enough. Not by a long shot. Slow tempo, overly cautious, poor passing. Even if Radcliffe came to frustrate, it’s not an excuse.

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    in reply to: “Oh Kevin van Veen” #292677
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    I did see you also say that it’s “only charged with domestic abuse” as if pushing pregnant girlfriends off the beds, humilating them and controlling them in what would be an abusive environment that leaves them mentally distraught is akin to kids playing knock-a-door-run on Mischievous night.

    He has not been found guilty, but the allegations are serious and there is no reason to just disbelieve them, so I would not want someone with those allegations hanging over their heads at the club at all.

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    in reply to: “Oh Kevin van Veen” #292675
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    There’s also the fact that Brad has served his punishment. Has Kevin?

    in reply to: “Oh Kevin van Veen” #292674
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    Accuses others of sexism, minimises the allegations of him humiliating his girlfriend, pushing her off the bed etc are nothing and ‘special rules for the female variety’.

    in reply to: “Oh Kevin van Veen” #292667
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    Given the recent news about KVV, I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.

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    I think that would be fair if we were not around top of the table. Criticism is fine, but some of it has been completely OTT. Yes, recent form has not been great, and the performances haven’t been good enough for a stretch, but you’re speaking as if we haven’t been consistently around the top for the season to date. If we fall away there will be (deserved) criticism, but some of it right now seems completely out of proportion.

    We should be doing well with our squad, but it’s not going to be a stroll, even with a good squad. Last year should have been a lesson in that. Also, Butler is still an inexperienced manager, so will make mistakes, but it doesn’t mean he’s incapable of learning. He has his own philosophy, and seems willing to stick to it, but the last few games has seen a greater use of its strengths that were limiting us. Beestin is now being used mostly in midfield, and seems better for it. We can have concerns and criticisms, but we should maintain some grounding, in my opinion, and support Butler and the team first and foremost. It’s early days, it might falter, but some of the comments have been doom and gloom as if we’re about to be relegated.

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    in reply to: Farsley #292577
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    Yeah, that’s bad. However, have they considered our plight? We’ve hired a CEO.

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    We have King’s Lynn, Chorley and Curzon Ashton in this bracket now.

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    I’ve been told he’s unlikely to on here (not by you).

    in reply to: Farsley #292546
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    To be fair, this is the third game now where we have had a more attacking outlook and decent spells, with today being the best. Granted, Rushall and Farsley are weaker sides at this level and we did lose at Southport, but that was more down to lapses in concentration, which went beyond Butler’s control

    Maybe this has shown that Butler does have the capacity to change things. One thing I have been impressed with is seeing the full backs make more forward runs, which was hindering us before, and is a part as to why we’re having more success up front. Maybe it will be a false dawn and Butler won’t succeed, but I don’t think anyone really knows that.

    One thing’s for sure, for me, is that a month’s blip shouldn’t mean losing all hope and making certain judgments on the capability of the manager or his ability to change things after a bad spell.

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    in reply to: Farsley #292529
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    6-0 Win in front of a 3,000 plus crowd

    BuT tHe FaNs wIlL StOp CoMiNG wItH BuTlEr

    Fans will stop coming because we won 6-0, but didn’t play like Pep’s Barca with Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. Not good enough, Butler.

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    Farsley should have done some more homework, since it should have been easy to figure us out and Butler has little to no chance of turning it round. It shouldn’t take much to outwit a ‘simpleton’, after all.

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    in reply to: Farsley #292526
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    We didn’t play well for the first 10 minutes. With Zinedine Butterfield we would have won 12-0, but negative Butler cost us.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292508
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    Fair, though if they cause too much friction there may have to be some early changes, and there was a reason I said ‘generally’.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292503
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    Definitely not. When you have the happy clapper Deerey and the like defending wanting to take a Ceo on then in the next breath tell us we can’t afford some more additions.
    I thought everyone was in agreement that we had to many non playing staff on the books under Swann and the club needed sliming down, Hilton started the process but Michelle is turning it back into a job centre for all.
    Be a right shit forum if we’re all on the same page. Who the f wants unity.

    Oh no, Michelle wants us running like a professional outfit and not Dave’s car crash. The outrage.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292502
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    Improving a football team should be the same as with any other business. Hold onto your best performers, get rid of the under performers and replace them with better. In the case of SUFC that should apply to playing staff, management and all other aspects from media to catering and back of house processes.

    Sometimes other businesses would need to let go of staff for monetary reasons, especially if they are faced with the short term nature of contracts. We can’t force players to stay and accept deals if they try their luck elsewhere. Also, other businesses generally wouldn’t involve writing people off or getting rid of them so quickly, and certainly not after a few months of meaningful work.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292464
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    Oh yeah, all the positives behind nearly killing the club through incompetence or malice. Got to remember those. Obviously much better than the horrors of appointing a manager who might not be good enough and a CEO.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292460
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    Not enough stadium shenanigans, abusive social media accounts with doxxing and death threats, CCJs, unpaid wages, groundshares with Gainsborough, decrepit Glanford Park photos, children of owners as chief scout, refusing to pay staff because journalists uncovered information about owners, drug dealers as the unofficial club spokesman, claiming squatters’ rights, audio statements that get pulled after a day or moments of panic with the club going under. Sort it out, Michelle!

    Mr Butterfield’s wife makes allegations, which are definitely 100% true.

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    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292448
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    It’s someone who has not had a previous role at the club. I don’t think he will be known to many tbh. I won’t be saying more since the club hasn’t formally announced yet, so far as I know. However, as Mick West has said, some have seen him at the fan’s forum.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292446
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    It’s neither Moody or Rodwell.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292439
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    I think writing off a player based on one or two games is slightly different to making a prediction as to how successful our season will be based on a whole host of factors; management appointments, player incomings and outgoings and the fact our rookie managers formation of choice is one that I’ve never seen work at GP. As for not judging until we’ve given it a chance, we’re 17 games in, whilst that might not be enough to warrant a sacking (for some) it’s certainly enough for opinions to be formed and for fans to comment on.

    Whilst I myself have had serious doubts of Butler since his appointment I’d be happy to be proven wrong as it would mean success for my club. The reality though is that is looking less likely as each game goes by and if we leave it too long the league will be gone and we will be faced with another season in NLN which for many of us is a painful thought.

    I’m no advocate of chopping and changing.
    I was no fan of Dean but never called for his head, even in the post Xmas slump or after play off failure. The difference with Butler is that he was a complete unknown. No managerial experience what-so-ever and part of the JD ‘failure’ team. He was a risk and for me he should never have been given the job so parting ways and appointing an experienced manager would be just putting us back on the track we should have been on from the summer.

    I think prejudging a player isn’t that different, in that both involve kneejerk opinions that don’t take into account for things like a player settling in or players getting used to a system. Sometimes players may get used to a system after a shaky start, so forming certain opinions on games designed to build up fitness is unwise. We have had decent preseasons before only to fail in the league, so having ‘foresight’ from them doesn’t necessarily mean much.

    I have said nothing about not commenting on weaknesses shown in the season so far, and have made critical comments myself, but some of the reactions are OTT.

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    I think fans would have been frustrated regardless, tbh.

    Also, I don’t think fans who made their minds up on friendlies are showing some greater foresight, necessarily, since friendlies are not some foolproof evidence of where the season is going, and some seem more motivated in ‘being proved right’ over anything else. There were some who had the ‘foresight’ to determine Beckford was a dud based on a couple of poor performances at the start of his loan stint and they were wrong. Was it 22-23 when some fans were impressed with our pre-season? Personally, I think it’s best to give it a chance before making any kind of cast iron judgement. There have been some worrying signs with Butler, but it’s pointless discussing removing him right now; it’s still too early.

    Ultimately, we have to allow ourselves chance to be wrong, since it’s feasible Butler changes things round. Some may think this is unlikely, but it’s still possible, and we can’t risk a culture of chopping and changing coming in again. I don’t think that will help.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292428
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    I’m just spitballing ideas as to the reasoning behind why the club might have offered him an extension over reactionary outrage. I wouldn’t have done it, but I think there is more of a reason, even if misplaced, as to why.

    6 weeks is too soon for an extension, but it is seemingly fine for some to write off completely (or even before 1 game for others).

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292407
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    I think Butler is fully aware that his job could be at risk if he doesn’t gain promotion. However, if he does turn things round and his contract isn’t being extended, it could be a source for worry down the line which may affect him. I don’t think this is that hard to work out.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292402
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    Close has no fixed time range, and is subjective. I have suspicions that the club were right and we’re probably just waiting to formally announce them anyway.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292400
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    A couple of weeks ago we were close to appointing a new CEO, what happened there.

    Two weeks isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things.

    in reply to: Michelle’s first (&second) mistake #292371
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    Or it could be a means of placing trust in their manager and ensuring job security, so Butler’s thoughts aren’t distracted by his own future. Dean was let go after an extension, so this extension doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of Butler if he fails.

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    in reply to: Ex-Manager watch #292370
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    You missed JD ?

    I don’t think Spalding played yesterday. They did lose in midweek though.