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Aye. It’s Christmas time, so I don’t really want to get into too many debates haha. Have a good one to you and one and all on here.
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I have said before that concerns over costs of living, immigration and worries over feeling safe in cities due to crime are reasons why people voted Trump. For Dems, this would have to be addressed, but it doesn’t mean I think their decision is correct. That is what I mean by misguided. I don’t think it’s patronising to think that a decision others made is wrong, but it may be if you start casting judgement on their character without evidence. Saying a decision is misguided doesn’t do that. I don’t know how this could be articulated any other way really, since any connotation that you disagree with others offends some.
I will also add that some people might think that those who voted Labour in the summer were misguided; that is their opinion. As is mine that voting Trump was. It’s nothing malicious, it’s trying to be charitable because, in life, people will disagree with you and think your choices are poor. I am saying that I disagree but think that some may have made a poor judgement without saying it’s because of laziness or stupidity, necessasarily. Though, some people may be, but it’s not for me to judge without evidence and nor is laziness or stupidity constrained to just one party.
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Regardless of the truth behind it, surely saying voters who disagree with my position are thick is only going to alienate.
There are studies that suggest conspiracy theories appeal to those with a certain degree of intelligence. Could this not be similar with some Trump fans? I think they’re incorrect and often haven’t made informed decisions, but that doesn’t mean they’re all stupid. It may be that they have followed a certain thought pattern based off the sources surrounding them. I have no clue who JI’s daughter is or how clever she is, but surely it’s more charitable to think along the lines of she’s not necessarily thick, but misguided, without any kind of personal experience with her to make you think otherwise?
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It wasn’t Michelle who found them and argued for them, so I hear (from months ago). I think they trusted someone on a recommendation and it went awry.
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Yeah, but fans pay money so are ‘entitled’ to voice their disgust at poor performances. Never mind that their vitriol creates a toxic atmosphere that feeds to players, creating a feedback loop that leads to more poor performances. What matters are people being able to show how angry they are, as that makes them better fans. How else would the players and Butler know that they have underperformed if they didn’t have fans to run up to them at full time to call them a w*nker?
The abuse is unacceptable- however if supporters choose to voice their displeasure towards another mind numbing performance at home with booing, so be it. Let’s not rewrite history either, for the majority of the game yesterday it was flat as a fart other than the odd groan. I was shocked the attendance was still
Above 3,600 tbh.On a human level, Butler has my sympathy as you never want a manager to fail, but the reality is, he’s been given the biggest budget in the league, the best squad on paper, and 4,000 home fans with a wave of goodwill heading into the new season. The fanbase wasn’t toxic in recent history when we were helping to pay the staffs wages, buying shirts in record numbers and turning up with higher crowds than league 2 clubs. They have responded to the dross that is being served and the Alfreton game looks to have been the turning point.
Not since this Midlands league have we been the biggest side in a Division, with that is going to come expectation. If the staff or players find that unreasonable, there are plenty of part time sides in this league that will give you an easier ride.
I don’t think any on here are under illusion to the nature of the performance and I haven’t said otherwise. It was still poor.
I think Butler’s radio chats are his way of protecting the team and trying to build morale, rather than criticise too much and turn players against him. I would suspect his overly optimistic comments are related to this, and he probably saw the somewhat passable final 30 minutes where we were more in control as the reason for such comments about nearly being there, alongside the defence being less broken than a few games ago. Many managers are like this and I don’t think they’re so deluded that they are blind to the issues. I certainly don’t think the managers or players need to be hollered at or booed to understand that the performance was actually not good.
Paul Hurst had a more honest interview strategy and was criticised. Gary O’Neill did at Wolves and was criticised for throwing the team under the bus by Wolves fans. It could well be the same here if Butler did that and if Butler included himself in the criticism we’d soon have people asking why he doesn’t resign if he admits he’s been sub-par.
Players should be able to deal with booing, though I have never been sure as to what good it actually does, but we have also had defence for hurling vitriol at players and coaches from some quarters and my comment was more in line with that.
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If the threat to the club comes from hiring an underperforming manager then God help it. Hardly the same level as the club being gambled away by a chancer and taken over by a spiv out for himself.
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Yeah, but fans pay money so are ‘entitled’ to voice their disgust at poor performances. Never mind that their vitriol creates a toxic atmosphere that feeds to players, creating a feedback loop that leads to more poor performances. What matters are people being able to show how angry they are, as that makes them better fans. How else would the players and Butler know that they have underperformed if they didn’t have fans to run up to them at full time to call them a w*nker?
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Whitehall looked a fish out of water and totally disinterested in that position. Not good enough, but it wasn’t his natural position. As soon as Whitehall was off the only player who has scored goals was Beestin! Players don’t seem to be playing near enough to Beck for his flick ons to ever make a mark, which makes you wonder why the game plan is to keep that up.
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I doubt he was a Nazi enthusiast. I sourced the tweet and they are talking about Irish writer, Francis Stuart.
Many of ‘the flock’ still seemed to back Hilton after the fraud ‘rumour’ was confirmed, with many sycophantic comments on the Facebook group. The worm turned when more shady behaviour, CCJs and laughable excuses for not paying staff (with a clear sign his mismanagement was risking the club again) came to light.
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