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Clown? :-)

Tbf, there will always be negative opinions of some people from liberals to conservatives and vice versa. Doesn’t really bother me that conservatives will slag off liberal voices like James O’Brien sometimes in similar fashion (and it is sometimes justified, I think). Fine by me, so long as you don’t cast aside every voice in opposition, and sometimes liberals do that towards conservatives. Still, when Peterson is making comments about Elmo, I think he maybe needs to step off social media for a while and clear his head.

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I don’t care about him being taken in particularly and don’t feel we should shame him with airing such videos. It was his insulting stance to critics, which seems to have continued to some degree post-Hilton.

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Daniels started off poorly, but by the end he was a decent keeper. Less error prone than Fitz, I feel. Fitz is good for our level, and the best we have had since Gilks, but I find it uneasy elevating him to best since Murphy given the standard. Chesterfield fans thought he was rubbish with them.

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Performances have been getting poorer for a while, with Butterfield stifled in midfield. Beestin on the wing is poor, Wilson is weak, Scales is anonymous and Clunan has been poor too.

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Stupid from Denton. Couple of sloppy errors today.

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I don’t think we have much power to allow this or not, to be honest. Neither Israel or Palestine want a ceasefire, so the realities of urban warfare will continue.

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Also, I don’t know if anyone remembers a Paul Shepherd, who played for us in the 00-01 season, managing one appearance against Torquay. Well, it is briefly mentioned that he was caught as a drug pusher in this operation.

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I have been listening to this Catching the Kingpins podcast from the BBC, exploring the encrochat case and how the police used this to catch some serious criminals. The series details how the hack happened, cases of who they managed to snare with the operation (from mid-level drug pushers, to high level importers and money launderers), the people behind encrochat and more. The sophistication of the criminal operation makes dodgy Dave look small time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0h2l18d

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They call others snowflakes, but explicitly say they ban people because they don’t like what they say.

It’s been explained to them by James Moody why they can’t allow such photos on there, there’s nothing the club can do about it, and they aren’t going to risk repercussions for going against the rules for this. It’s just some bloke who took photos, yet some on there are more outraged than they ever were over Hilton, right up to the end.

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Cliff Byrne's Right Peg, Deereyme66, TheJuryeffsOut, CMC

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George Ezra is worse. At least Sheeran’s lyrics aren’t grating in the manner of “green, green grass, blue, blue sky.”

No fan of Sheeran’s music, but seems an ok guy.

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Some Iron fans may be affecting pseudo-Scouse accents given the desire from some to sing You’ll Never Walk Alone on the Facebook group.

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Jordan Henderson for professor of international relations, with modules on how to stand up for your principles in countries where they are not shared.

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Don’t forget some are also experts in geopolitics, vaccines, politics and science. Just ask Matt Le Tissier.

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Or just bad weather

That too, but 15 minutes for notice is poor.

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And Tamworth fans were moaning because we called their game off in plenty of time, so that there was no risk of a wasted journey.

This should be a lesson for those who see conspiracies. Incompetence is a more likely culprit.

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It’s written well, enjoyable and informative. It includes more focus away from just Europe or Asia, like some previous world history books, but if you want an in detail focus on each event it isn’t for you. It is a synopsis of the rule of previous civilisations (e.g. Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, Persians, Qin dynasty etc), not an in depth civilisational study. However, like I say, it’s global, so it’s not just the progress of Europe. Later chapters focus on the Inca, kingdom of Benin, the Khmer Empire etc.

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I have been reading this whistle stop tour through world history after some more Pratchett. I have read his previous novels and biography of Stalin, and this doesn’t disappoint with his engaging writing style. It’s a long tome, with over 1300 pages, spanning from the start of homo sapiens to the Ukraine war.

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Nowt wrong with a bit of fishing info.

I am sure bpg would appreciate the tips on bait.

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I have been listening to this intermittently. Great coverage of our history, with lots of detail and not skimming. 400 episodes and only in the Norman period. However, it’s very American in humour and seems to presume an American audience. Fine, if you’re American, but it can be grating at times as a Brit.

The Main Show

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A useful analogy for this, but just for those who might be interested in general knowledge and ‘facts for the day’.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/loco-motive/

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CMC wrote:

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CMC wrote:

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To get the non playing payroll higher than the players again?

A good accountant, probably necessary after the state your Ilkeston buddy’s big pal left the club’s finances in.

The Irony of one of Hilton’s biggest cheerleaders liking the post.

2 others have posted on the thread as well!

It’s unfair to single out Iron-Awe. He seems fully aware of the issue now and realises the error of judgement. It’s not like Awaywego, who’s still trying to praise the charlatan who tried to kill the club for personal gain.

No it is.
The desire to become part of a clique, just like the three wise men over the way, nearly killed the club.

You think the likes of them get a free pass? No chance.

It nearly did, but they were victims as the conned. Iron-Awe wasn’t even one of those who abused sceptics, if I remember correctly. It’s not like xxx or Pat O’Cake who spent months saying anyone who didn’t like Hilton wanted the club to fail, but even then I would say there’s room for moving on if they apologised*. I would hope the conned have humility over past poor judgement, but not everyone was privy to just how bad it was, and the validity of the murmurings/rumours behind closed doors. I understand it was frustrating at the time for those of us who knew the situation was dire, but ultimately there needs to be a unity and if people make the same mistakes again we can argue the toss about it then. Right now, I don’t think it is.

*I wonder what they think now that we are all behind Harness, given our apparent desire to kill the club.

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CMC wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

Awaywego wrote:

To get the non playing payroll higher than the players again?

A good accountant, probably necessary after the state your Ilkeston buddy’s big pal left the club’s finances in.

The Irony of one of Hilton’s biggest cheerleaders liking the post.

2 others have posted on the thread as well!

It’s unfair to single out Iron-Awe. He seems fully aware of the issue now and realises the error of judgement. It’s not like Awaywego, who’s still trying to praise the charlatan who tried to kill the club for personal gain.

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Every paper has its sway, but even those with the most bias can do some good journalism occasionally. Even the Daily Mail!

I didn’t know the players were going to strike. I would have hoped we would have understood if it came to that.

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Grimsby!

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Many were at it before. Iran had a war with Iraq, Russia had destroyed Chechnya before Iraq or Afghanistan. What’s changed is that USA is declining its influence and these regional powerhouses are expanding their influence and unsurprisingly they are worsening things, because there are things worse than the west. Now Iran can fill the vacuum, like it couldn’t before with sanctions, and use its proxies to spread its Islamist ideals and Russia can exert influence over what it sees as its regional influence to the detriment of the lives and sovereignty of those in it.

As for interventions working, it did with Kosovo, Timor Leste and Sierra Leone. Lack of intervention in Syria has allowed Iran and Russia to spread their influence and over 500,000 civilians dead.

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I agree when it comes to popular artists. There are still some decent female led acts among the underground and indie (by its original definition) scene.

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Netanyahu’s not doing no wrong, he is acting like hyper-George W Bush after 9/11 with poorly thought out strikes wherever, without much thought for how to avoid casualties, plus no thoughts as to where civilians go after evacuating and strikes are launched there. However, it was a conflict not initiated by Netanyahu. Meanwhile Putin and the Ayatollah have been putting a lot more cogs in influencing and destabilising geopolitics for years, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that instability has risen during this time period. I’d say this makes them more dangerous. Their actions have also caused the deaths of thousands upon thousands, so the Gaza war doesn’t really top it, though it’s not a competition. If it wasn’t for Iranian or Russian meddling, we might have a more stable scene right now. I don’t see how tunnel focussing on Netanyahu as ‘worst guy ever’ is anything other than a bias towards our allies as being worst.

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Bit tunnel visioned considering Putin and the Ayatollah exist. Both of whom have done a lot more to destabilise the world.

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Not fair to go into too much detail, but he agreed a payoff with DH which was never paid. We have always held his registration, which is why he couldn't sign for anybody else. The only surprise is that it has taken this long to get him back in the building to recoup some £££.

— IRON BRU (@ironbru_net) January 17, 2024

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I actually like that track. Reminds a bit of Slint, Mogwai or something along those lines. I assume you’re saying you once lived with a chap from this band and not Ruts Siderite?

Yes, I lived with one of the band members, when he seemingly wasn’t in a slippage of time. Lost touch since he messaged me to say he wished he had voted in the EU referendum, and I wonder how he’s doing now. He was used to communal living with other band members and couldn’t seem to understand that not everyone wanted their food shared, especially for those with eating issues, but was harmless really. I suspect living with him for more than a year would have eventually got a bit frustrating.

Unfortunately, drugs and mental health can take their toll on musicians and their life expectancy is lower than other professions. This Youtube documentary goes into it a bit:

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