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I see. If I don’t think Netanyahu is the most evil man on the planet I must support his actions. Nuance is dead.

I don’t think Stalin was as evil or as war mongering as Hitler (it’s a low bar). That must make me a Stalinist.

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Yeah, yeah, antisemites have been claiming that Jews have undue influence over politics for centuries and used that to justify attacks on Jews (as we see now when attacks on Jewish buildings get excused as ‘legitimate criticism’). I am sure this time it’s because of ‘legitimate criticism’ when they same people use the same arguments of those from the past.

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I have no recollection over what that past conversation involved. However, if it is racist to use crude stereotypical language and images of a black African dictator (it is), it is the same for Netanyahu. Yet criticising blood libels against Netanyahu gets met with claims that it’s “legitimate criticism of Israel” from the ‘anti-racists’ who would never dream of excusing such against other groups.

“Can’t even use racial slurs against the Zionists these days. It’s political correctness gone mad.”

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Why evacuate Gazans to other places? All that could be done in Gaza City if that was the motive and not evacuating would allow more deaths; it would not be more dangerous with air strikes. It doesn’t make sense and is frankly deluded in my opinion, as is the claim Netanyahu is the world most dangerous man when you have Putin and the Ayatollah involved with more global meddling.

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Aye, callous disregard. My question still stands. Seems a lot of effort to evacuate if they were intent on killing everyone. Why bother if that was the full motive?

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I do know you haven’t answered what “us” means or if you continue to support the Israeli action.

Us – UK.

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Also, I am not saying it is the same as WWII, but the OP is making an argument about numbers of casualties. I am pointing out it isn’t, so judging the Israel-Palestine conflict against Bin Laden is as false as WWII is with Israel-Palestine conflicts. If numbers alone mean all, then WWII along with the other post-WWII wars you ignore, means we could be judged worse than Bin Laden. Which I find silly.

OP says Netanyahu is bigger ‘murderer’ than Bin Laden. I point out that other conflicts have killed more civilians,including ones which are surely honourable, but don’t make us worse than the likes of Bin Laden. I even said that it doesn’t make Netanyahu honourable, but this is a poor metric to use when comparing warfare with terrorism of Bin Laden whose specific aim was to kill civilians (and not just because of callous disregard).

I don’t see why ‘supporting Israeli action’ or not is relevant to my point. I can’t be bothered when I do not think there has even been an attempt to understand, nor do I think such a question is in good faith. I have spoken of issues regarding Rafah and civilians, so I would think that should be some hint that I have issues with how the war has been conducted.

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She is a desperate troll out for attention. Her comments on Kate Garraway’s husband were awful too.

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“but this doesn’t make us worse”.

Had a chuckle at the high horse reaction. Read some of your own posts.

Who are “us”?

I am not the one making snide comments without trying to understand the point and score points. I was disagreeing. Is saying liberal culture found in the UK is superior to Islamism represented by Bin Laden is on my high horse? Or is a worldview that subjugates gays, women, non-Muslims etc and launches terror against those it sees as in opposition to its faith really equivalent?

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Round em up then kill them,very efficient,where have we seen that before?.Notice how the right wing press again begin to call critics,”antisemites”?

If rounding up and killing them was the ulterior motive they wouldn’t have bothered with any evacuations from Gaza City.

Accusations of antisemitism typically come when people engage in conspiracy theories or say stuff about Jewish masters controlling others etc. It’s perfectly fine to call Netanyahu a fascist or something; that’s not antisemitic.

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If you think all conflicts are different, you should understand why I am arguing against a comparison between Bin Laden and Netanyahu because they are not the same. This conflict was started by Oct 7th, without it there would be no war, no matter the injustices of the West Bank or Israeli wrongs. The decision to cause a pogrom and hostage situation is the fault of Hamas and its allies, not Israel, no feelings of discrimination or whatever justifies it or explains it away. There are other outlets. Besides, Hamas would use any excuse, because they’re not just reactionary to Israel, they have their own ideology incompatible with peace.

None of this means I think Netanyahu is good (second time, will be ignored again probably), I don’t know what Israel expect to do with civilians in Rafah. However, crass comparisons to Saddam or Bin Laden are just agenda driven and the arguments made here could be made against the results of war in British army too, hence me arguing against it. Because, no matter the indiscipline seen in the IDF, and Netanyahu’s worrying comments and actions, I don’t find this a convincing argument regarding comparing casualties of war with those who deliberately planned to kill civilians, not engaging in callous disregard for civilians during war.

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Maybe if you got off your high horse you would be able to understand the point. OP was using casualties to suggest Netanyahu is worse than Bin Laden. I was saying that civilian casualties are higher in many other conflicts too, but this doesn’t make us worse. That’s it. Using WWII to point out the flaws in the argument is valid.

Your argument is that the different context of WWII makes it invalid, so I ask, are civilian deaths ok in different circumstances? It’s the only way my comparison would be invalid.

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Also, I am not saying it is the same as WWII, but the OP is making an argument about numbers of casualties. I am pointing out it isn’t, so judging the Israel-Palestine conflict against Bin Laden is as false as WWII is with Israel-Palestine conflicts. If numbers alone mean all, then WWII along with the other post-WWII wars you ignore, means we could be judged worse than Bin Laden. Which I find silly.

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So civilians dying in war ok depending on circumstance? So, when civilians died in ISIS operations it’s not so bad as Bin Laden, but during an Israeli led war it’s definitely worse and makes them worse than Bin Laden?

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Britain and its allies killed more in WWII, Afghanistan and anti-ISIS operations too. We’re still not worse than Bin Laden. Not that this makes Netanyahu a good person, but it’s not a good metric to draw moral comparisons, necessarily. Context is key. For one, there wouldn’t be conflict if Hamas hadn’t initiated it for an ideology, much like Bin Laden’s attempts.

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Yeah, and Hilton continued behaving shady afterwards, like a con man.

One difference between Hilton and Flynn is that Hilton was involved in owning companies with stakeholders (both staff and fans) caring for it. Someone with a checkered past going back to a career which could allow him to continue should have raised alarm bells. Flynn’s history of dangerous driving would raise alarm bells if he was going for a job as a lorry driver, taxi driver or courier. As he is going for a job as footballer, I suspect we can sleep easier because he doesn’t need to drive professionally for it, unless we’re planning on him playing on the wing in a flash Range Rover.

Also, you speak of fraud as if it is some minor crime. It isn’t. It’s a crime that ruins people.

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I suspect it wasn’t a lucky guess myself… ;-)

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Especially since Nelson is currently managing a side struggling in Northern League Div 2.

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You can’t say that, Max Bell will be on to you!

Max speaks for 99% of fans, don’t you know? It doesn’t matter if most vocal disagree, his ego can tell him that the silent majority agree.

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To be down with the kids, 64 should reference something from Ted Lasso.

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Usually people speaking of ‘the truth’ are not usually interested in evidence suggesting what ‘the truth’ is.

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This is about the superior Bru podcasts, ironfromafar! ;-)

Ar apologies dint know there are 2 Scunny themed pods .. i know nothing of the one you refer too.

You should give it a listen. The Bru one has SST as one of the hosts. Latest one is here:

https://twitter.com/ironbru_net/status/1755619805279703357

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This is about the superior Bru podcasts, ironfromafar! ;-)

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He comments as if he is speaking on behalf of the whole board. Michelle better be in agreement, because this looks like he’s undermining her

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The Google reviews for their main place are not great recently either, with cold food being a recurring comment.

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Aye, he brought the feel good factor (anyone would have at that stage) and some good food, so we can forgive him for trying to swindle and wreck the club. We don’t know what would have happened if Hilton hadn’t have stepped in then, but we do have a suspicion that ‘the saviour’ brought us to hours or days of destruction. All ok though, because you can get a burger at the match.

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Southend survived several winding up petitions and if it got so severe Michelle may have stepped in eventually. Also, we wouldn’t have had the further stacks of debt brought on by Hilton, so we could well have been in a much more stable financial position without the exploits of the soiled saviour.

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Crippling the club, so we can’t buy needed transfers and boost the squad when we need it is ‘getting it right’?

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I once worked in an office with a guy who looked the spitting image of Adam Sandler. So much so that once, when he flew to the USA, customs officers questioned him for a bit, thinking his identity provided was false, and this was some sort of Adam Sandler practical joke being played on them. It took a while to believe him, despite the valid IDs. He, like Sandler, is Jewish too.

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