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Exactly why we should stick with him and back him through rough spells.

Yep, the time for reevaluation is May. Butler made many mistakes, the results were poor and performances not optimal for a while. However, some were all too ready to dismiss the idea that a manager can learn or adapt, with little consideration for the pitfalls of becoming sack happy. Any attempts to say we should stick by Butler with the hope that he can learn and turn things round were made out to be defending the crud that was on display over a period of poor form. I have no idea if Butler will succeed, and the loss of Whitehall is a concern if it isn’t short term, but the detractors didn’t really have it fully clued in with their assessments either, even if some thought they did. We are in a promotion battle, the promises of anything but midtable mediocrity being dreamland were nonsense, as were the claims that we would definitely drop like a stone from some.

Sure, some of those criticising raised valid points and were less certain. Many have now said they have changed opinion again. However, maybe the turnaround shows that it’s maybe best not to form solid opinions of how Butler can’t succeed on short term form. Criticism is expected during such times, but it should be constructive, and it’s important to remember the level we’re at and that these players will make errors.

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I called out the sidekick months ago on here, following his release from porridge. I didn’t buy any of the self-deprecating cheeky chappy charm, ingratiating himself back into the fold. To an extent, though, it’s worked and it seems as though he’s an accepted figure or credible voice again. After his antics first time around (Hilton time around, I mean) I despair. Oh well.

Some people are fooled by such charisma and want to believe in the facade. He should have had his credibility shot after his antics.

Only Dave would be stupid enough to use the name of a previous burner.

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I think you’ll find we’re second in the league Siderite

My mistake. I assumed the table wasn’t updated. Still, 2nd and with a game in hand is hardly the claims of we’d be plummeting to midtable like the ‘realists’ stated.

Just looked at Kidderminster and Chester twitter and their fans are bemoaning rubbish football and performances. Kiddy fans are saying they can give up on the title now. It’s almost as if this is the standard of football of NLN and berating Butler while we’re in a promotion hunt because we’re not playing like Barcelona is silly. And some credit is due now that we have good form.

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We’re top of the league, so he must be doing something right. The problem is that some are all to eager to put the boot in after a bad result, but when things go well there is only faint praise and a reminder that he makes mistakes from them. It makes it hard to take this kind of criticism seriously, as it isn’t constructive.

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I suspect Archbishopy McArchbishopface will be the front runner.

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This is a lie. I have sourced this comment on the Facebook group and this Sherbert post is not liked by a single person, never mind Harness of Sharp.

It can be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/2039869869815804/

If this account is prepared to lie about something so trivial, what else is he prepared to lie about?

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Anyone who takes a faceless burner who spreads the same nonsense as Sherbert, with his form for lying, and attacks those who rallied to.save the club from Hilton needs to give their head a wobble.

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SODIron

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Sherbert is claiming he is still in contact with Hilton and has bathtime chats with him.

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Not sure if he does. He abandoned twitter a couple of months ago, so he may have tuned out. It will be interesting to see if Matt Slater gets involved in any way though.

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These sad burner accounts, be they Hilton, Sherbert or whoever are best off ignored.

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For clarity, “Raging at Israel” was meant to be about those I have seen on social media and on marches, and I tried to edit the post to reflect this, but editing time had run out.

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There were plenty of things done wrong by the UK and west on this, not least the UK making promises to more than one party after WWI. However, none of it would have stopped the clashes. Jews would still emigrate to Israel, and were doing so before WWII. There has always been a Jewish presence in the area and there has always been some degree of sectarianism. There were attacks on synagogues before 1945, and antisemitic sentiment existed, as was seen with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in WWII. Likewise, there had been conflicts towards Muslims from some Jewish groups. The Holocaust survivors still would have fled to Israel after 1945 no matter what we did, as would others who tried to rebuild lives in eastern Europe, only to be attacked like in the Kielce pogrom. There still would have been calls to create a state of Israel from the Jews there and pushes for it to happen. There would still have been ethnic conflict in the Middle East where Jews had long had a presence, but were driven out in the wake of the likely formation of Israel. And if Israel didn’t form, there’d have been a situation like the Kurds, with persecution towards Jews from Arabs. None of it would be peace and utopia.

The west isn’t at fault for everything. Tensions have existed in Israel-Palestine for 75 years and there is much blame to be shared around. However, it is shared and both sides need to claim responsibility to clean it up. 75 years of ‘resistance’ has brought nothing but misery for the Palestinians and an emboldened sense of grievances, that often translate to extremism. Bolstering this by making this all about one side serves nothing but to perpetuate it. Much is said about Israeli action driving Palestinian hostility. There are kernels of truth in there, but the opposite is also true. Palestinian ‘resistance’ has driven many Israelis to support people like Netanyahu because they think he can protect them from those who wish them harm. It doesn’t make it right, it doesn’t excuse the excesses, but nor does Palestinian grievances for the existence of Hamas or their atrocities.

The only way I can see for any kind of peace is with a two state solution, but for that to happen there needs to be understanding of both sides. Raging at Israel for existing and feeding Hamas and others’ desires for the evil ‘settler-colonialists’ to go away will do nothing to bring it and only enforce a sense of desire within Israel to have greater protectioin against those they see as having no will to live alongside in peace. Many Israelis have known nowhere else, so we only have a choice to make something work, but that means confronting the problems in both societies. This includes the disgraceful decisions by Trump and Netanyahu. Even if this recent rhetoric is bluster, it’s still shameful and only making hostility even more likely.

As for none of this would be happening now. None of it would be happening without Oct 7th, the biggest folly in the history of the ‘resistance’, which has caused nothing but misery.

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I suspect this will crumble when the impossibilities of this become clear. Egypt and Jordan won’t take Gazans in. I suspect it’s more bluster to appear the strong man from Trump, like the tariffs that brought Canada and Mexico to do what they were doing before, but with token roles like ‘fentanyl czars’. Meanwhile the USA torches its reputation as any kind of a reasoned diplomatic force.

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I think both were at fault for the debt.

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“Some of them will take more out of the club than whatever hilton did.”

lol. There won’t be bags of cash with this lot.

“From what I can see we’re no better off under this lot than”

Aye, those CCJs are piling up and the club is about to go bust.

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I wonder if us fans would do better with myfootballclub to bring in signings. :-)

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Shows the dilemma caused by careless profligacy with Dave’s shiny things to placate fans strategy. We’re left picking up the pieces of his (and Swann’s) chaos and trying to progress the squad with players suitable for our level. I will say that we don’t know what’s round the corner. Stockport were down here for years, but they recovered, so it’s not all over.

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I believe that’s based off a blind poll, so mentioning the policies without stating the origin. There is a mood towards tighter immigration laws and against a feeling that some things are taboo to speak about, whether we agree with them or not. When it comes to Trump himself things are still against him in the UK.

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If he could cut out the silly fouls and needless attempts to play act it would be better. Thought Whitehall had a mixed game, made a couple of good passes/headers, but other times seemed slow to react.

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“All the polls had her winning the US election”

The polls in 2016 may have had a pro-Clinton bias, even though the polls were within the margin of error, but this is a load of nonsense. Most polls had the last election as a 50/50, with some favouring Trump slightly. The one Selzer poll which suggested otherwise was an outlier. Now pro-free speech Trump has said he will go after her for an incorrect poll. Last time I checked, a crap poll isn’t a crime, nor should it be, and it’s bizarre to see people who claim to be pro-free speech to try and justify it with nonsense about election interference.

Also, the whole of the US media was on Harris’s side? Really? Even Fox News? Anyway, all outlets have some degree of bias and anyone pro-free speech wouldn’t be against an opposing viewpoint being aired, even if biased. Yet criticisms in the media are being muted through fears of Trump retaliating because of his own threats, which go against the free speech narrative.

Yes, some liberal outlets have been cloying and hostile to other views, but this isn’t the right alternative.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

The can is being kicked down the road. How much more can we take? This is abysmal to watch.

The board aren’t going to sack Butler after an improvement in form, 9 points from 9, while in second place and a point off top. Don’t be silly.

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BPG was right. The totalitarian state is shaping up*. :-)

*Exaggeration may be present in this post.

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My prediction is that Trump won’t turn out to be as bad as many fear, and he’ll be nowhere near as good as he’ll make himself out to be. As ever time will tell.

While talk of the end of American democracy is far too early, it’s important not to normalise authoritarianism and sheer corruption to appear balanced when Trump has replaced a politically neutral bureaucracy with his lackeys:

https://x.com/ariehkovler/status/1884167591306092718

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https://x.com/ironbru_net/status/1884143372253741458

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I wonder what the American leftists who took to twitter to say they’re not voting for ‘Holocaust Harris’ because Trump would be better for Gaza are thinking. Any self-reflection? Nahh.

The rhetoric is only going to get worse now, alas. Fortunately, this seems impossible to me, so it probably won’t happen.

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https://x.com/mgell1s/status/1883610262923866257

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It’s not, but it also involves being personable with those who share. If people are going to share stuff with me confidentially, I am not going to share it to the public. If I do, I betray their trust.

I was happy to not say anything on this, but threads had been started by others, so I joined in with the little I do know. You posted this saying the stadium walk disproves it, and my point is that it doesn’t convince me given what has been said and from who has been mentioned or screenshot. Of course you aren’t aware of this, so I don’t blame you for being sceptical. I just don’t think a walk, where people can swallow their issues, is a smoking gun that dispels the worries from some quarters.

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It’s not a matter of not criticising. Of course defensive errors need to be stamped out, but after improved performances and wins surely some positivity is allowed and being overly negative about defensive errors seems a bit much. As for fine margins, that happens across board. I don’t think it should detract from the positives though.

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I am not going to break confidentiality of who has told me because you think going round the stands disproves messages, including screenshots of what’s been said by people who are associated with the club (not snot).

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