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Finally a remaster of the ridiculously clipped Iggy mix, but with the bass that the Bowie mix lacks.

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Neutral Milk Hotel

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I think booing any of our own players is bad and certainly not condoned booing of King Kev.

I disagree with TJO, but don’t see the need to be so personal.

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I don’t think I am responsible for others coming on here and being offended by the rubbish I spout. I am not forcing them to read it and it’s not directed at them. I would be if I started saying the same thing to their faces or by messaging them.

Have I Got News For You can be quite scathing about politicians, like Michael Gove for example. Some of it is not positive, but it’s not harassment, since he doesn’t have to watch the show. It would be if Ian Hislop went up to Gove in public and started taking the mick out of him. It gives him no chance to have his own personal freedom. I don’t think it would be Hislop having his cake and eating it if he satirises Gove on HIGNFY, but refrains from directing any of it at him if he spots Gove leaving parliament.

I worry that if jibes are out of bounds, we are liable to losing any kind of critique in a socially acceptable manner, where any control freak can say that criticism in any form is harassing them and we can’t air our minds without being seen as bullies. There does have to be some limits, which is why I don’t think airing abuse to faces, tagging players into critical tweets or mocking comments is great.

Anyway, that’s just my opinion. :-)

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

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If you don’t think that players, managers and club officials don’t look on here and read what is said about them you’re kidding yourself.

They don’t have to read it though. It is possible to ignore. They can’t avoid people yelling at them.

I really don’t think that is correct. If it is then anyone would be allowed to post anything on here or other social media and say the person offended shouldn’t have looked.

Boundaries exist, such as no racism or abuse aimed at family members. I don’t think a Kes clip counts as anything like that. It will be a poorer world if we can’t make light hearted fun because of someone else’s offence, which is ripe for abuse. Every control freak would claim to be offended by anything they don’t like if we’re supposed to take any case of perceived offence as reason for removing posts. There’s a difference between posting such jokes on a message board where they don’t have to look and yelling at people in their faces or directing messages towards them. If these posts on here were being sent in response to the coach or player in question, I think there would be a point. They aren’t though.

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Personally, I think jibes about footballers or coaching staff are par the course and perfectly reasonable, so long as they don’t cross a line or tag in the person involved. I don’t think a Kes reference for Jimmy Dean’s coaching ability is too personal for it to cross a line, nor was Jimmy Dean tagged into it, so it’s ok.

People make mockeries of many people for various reasons, including politicians, egotistical celebs and talking heads. I don’t see what’s wrong with that, but making such comments to their face or in an online message is another matter. Such comments on here aren’t intended to be directed straight at the players or coaches, so they aren’t harassment. They would be if Jimmy Dean was being tagged into them all the time.

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

If you don’t think that players, managers and club officials don’t look on here and read what is said about them you’re kidding yourself.

They don’t have to read it though. It is possible to ignore. They can’t avoid people yelling at them.

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I think TJO was taking exception to 64 saying ‘mindless moron’ and took your agreement over this specific issue to mean that you stand with that characterisation. Personally, I don’t think the abuse will help anything, and will just demotivate players further, so it’s a fool’s errand. I have had bad days at work and wouldn’t want my bosses and colleagues chanting abuse at me as I leave for home at the end of the day. I know football is a bit different in the nature of support, but some understanding is surely possible.

Though, I think there is a difference between airing an opinion on a football forum and shouting at players. The former can be ignored by the players or coaching staff, the latter is harder to.

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Radio silence across social media yesterday, so it may well be that something is happening.

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They won’t be eating no woke vegan sausage rolls.

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Damon should know a thing or two about speed of play.

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Expect Scunthorpe to make a decision on Jimmy Dean's future this week, with a new man potentially in place ahead of the weekend. Think everyone can see that change is needed now. #UTI https://t.co/WuhGSK7wuU

— Aidan McCartney (@aidanmccartney) March 6, 2024

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Rene Artois

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Possibly the maddest US representative out there. Outdoes Boebert, somehow.

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A link might be helpful. I don’t know who this guy is.

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It did amuse me to see Peter Bottomley wearing a Ukrainian flag tie when walking next to the Putinist in Parliament today.

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In other words, a ceasefire would need unconditional release of hostages, not more attempts by Hamas to regroup and regather strength.

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And I am sure that one was full of reasonable demands and Hamas would be trustworthy, just as they were last time when they broke it in a week. A ceasefire will have to be feasible.

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Hamas are still holding hostages, and still refusing ceasefires because they will have to give them up, so there won’t be cessation of conflict until they do. I hope there is a ceasefire, but the reality is that there won’t be one unless both agree.

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I could keep saying that I understand why the conflict is happening and think there is justification there, but not with a lot of how it’s conducted, but I will still get the same questions and accusations.

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I would like to add that just because the victims are the victims of urban warfare, it doesn’t mean that it is good or even justified by those who launched strikes. Victims of Russia’s aggression in Syria and Ukraine are the victims of an unjustifiable war and careless regard for human life. Israel may have a more justifiable reason for war, in my opinion, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think they can’t do more to prevent civilian casualties. I would say they can, but it doesn’t make the victims any different in cause to the Syrians or Ukrainians in the bombing campaigns of Mariupol or Aleppo.

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It’s not an ‘excuse’. It’s the reality; every other urban war looks very similar, and some cases worse (Mariupol may have had 4 times the deaths in half the time, for example), but it’s not a competition. I am yet to be convinced that Palestinian civilian deaths are any worse than Yemeni, Syrian or Ukrainian, nor why Israeli is inherently worse than Russian, British or American. Civilian casualties in war are tragic and horrible. I have said that I think Israel’s actions are not without problems, to say the least, but that doesn’t mean the horrific casualties in this conflict can be judged in different standards to others. I have no doubt this will be ignored for more self-righteous proclamations about it and ‘supporting Netanyahu’ or whatever. Even though I think he’s a grotesque fascist, but anything other than slamming him or Israel as the worst person or country ever must mean I am a ‘Netanyahu supporter’ (nuance be damned). Never mind that the cause of this was Hamas, but I guess that makes me ‘pro-Netanyahu’ because thinking Israel have a right to at least defend itself (even if I am less so of how it is being conducted) and not accept its citizens being kidnapped and slaughtered by Islamic fascists means I am a fan of Likud and its gang of fascists or something.

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I get that. There is no clear ‘good guy’ who has done no wrong to the other in this conflict, but this is the nature of urban warfare. It’s brutal and similar has happened in other conflicts. Israel could and should do better, I think, in how they conduct the conflict, but the conflict was initiated by Hamas, so they carry a lot of blame too for what’s happening. Not like that absolves the problems in aid being sluggish, a tactic of war reminiscent of Bush in Iraq or Israeli soldiers raiding houses and posing with clothes etc. There won’t be a solution until the powers that be bring both together and cause a cessation, but Hamas don’t seem interested unless they get unreasonable demands met (including rejecting ceasefires because they don’t want to give up hostages).

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Hard to have negotiations for a ceasefire when Hamas keeps rejecting them* because it’s so vital that they keep their hostages apparently.

*and even if they did agree, they’d only use it to siphon money into preparing to attack Israel again and again, as they always have done.

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It’s obviously disgusting if this happebed, but has it been verified as an incident of firing? Or is it like al-Ahli where random sources just get trusted?

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Just Iron

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I’m just pointing out that the location data from the tweet says nothing about the authorship of those messages, just that you tweeted it from there, and is not a clue about the identity either way.

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Is the fact that it’s from New Waltham not a clue?

Not really, since New Waltham is indicating that fans64 tweeted the screenshots from there. It doesn’t mean the message was written in New Waltham. I don’t think fans64 is Hilton or the person who wrote that message.

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cassidystash

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I wouldn’t expect Hilton to be truthful and attacks on others’ character were something he did and encouraged. It’s hard to have certainty given it’s not verified, but I don’t see why it can’t be Hilton based off what was said.

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Sounds like the patter he’d come out with though, and similar to what that itonironiron account was spouting at the end of last year on here.

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ironingboard, Deereyme66

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Now that he has no control, his excuses and finger wagging just comes across as pathetic.

Yeah, we have to commit to a lower budget because of him. The division he tried to create while he was bad enough, we don’t need him trying to undermine the new board for his own ego. At least Swann has generally slunk into the shadows, only commenting when he felt he had to in order to present his side.

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