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How do you know that the offers were insulting? Lack of refutation doesn’t mean confirmation that this was the truth.

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In his latest interview Andy Butler says Butterfield was offered 3 contracts with a coaching role included. Doesn’t sound like he wasn’t in the manager’s plans. Yet the club will still get stick because of an interpretation by Butterfield’s partner.

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Michelle’s message to Hilton upon acquiring the club was professional. I can understand her being disappointed about her husband having to look elsewhere, but is it best to air it so publicly? I think that’s unwise, but this fuss over very little has dragged on and I don’t see why it’s worth continuing.

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Just Iron, Iron-awe

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It appears unavoidable, but we don’t know the full story. While fans are allowed to moan, the amount of backlash about this seems way OTT. At worst, it’s a poor error of judgement and pales to the concerns over what was going on under Hilton. Heck, we had Taft (and highly likely others) being shafted over wages and some justifying it because he had a holiday or ‘didn’t try hard enough in games’. Seems a lot more worthy to moan about than a contract negotiation not suiting Butterfield..

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Ferrite, iron64, Deereyme66

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Apollo posted her comments on page 2 of this thread.

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Couldn’t trust the rumours around Hilton, despite them coming true and sketchy Company’s House record, but we should definitely believe in these. The club don’t need to confirm anything about Butterfield’s wage details in these negotiations. If he wasn’t part of Butler’s plans, he could have just been released, but this is hardly scandal of the century.

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I don’t claim to speak on the behalf of others.

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You’re not being subtle in who this is being aimed at. Your apology wasn’t really sincere in any way, in my opinion.

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It was just a light hearted joke, not meant to be poking fun at you or treated as some valid point. Calm down.

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It’s not summer until Wonder Goals brings out his list of players scouted from the latest version of Football Manager.

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Ferrite

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Iron-awe wrote:

Aye the poster with no available profile info, sounds a really sound guy!!!

I think that’s because the user has either deleted the account or has been banned.

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Wouldn’t put this past Simon the ego or an associate trying to stir the pot because he wants the glory of being involved at the top.

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OK Dave.

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Is this Simon with a bruised ego because he’s not going to be mr big?

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LesBill?

Gurnelista on my login.

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https://x.com/SUFCOfficial/status/1795483733669056619

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Rejoining would likely involve us having to consider joining the Schengen zone and the eurozone, which would cause issues among the population. The reduction of a complex situation to a simple binary question was always an issue with Brexit. It’s why we went from Brexiters arguing for Swiss style deals before the referendum to how Swiss style deals are Brexit lite and a betrayal of ‘the people’ afterwards. The referendum caused division and issues partially because the complex nature being presented as a simple one allowed politicians to not pin themselves down to specifics, and to portray ‘softer’ Brexit deals as being against democracy. If there was a more thorough campaign to drill what Brexit would mean before the referendum, it might have been less divisive, because we wouldn’t have had Farage, Hannan and co flip flop around from Swiss style deals to saying that’s against the ‘will of the people’ in a matter of months. It benefited them from a political point to the country’s detriment.

Similarly, any attemps to rejoin will have to be honest about the complexities. Talks of rejoining may sound pleasant to some, but it might sound less pleasant to others when you bring in what it would entail. The EU would want assurances and would be less lenient on opting out of aspects as before, because they wouldn’t want to deal with a state that changes its mind every decade. Also, the time span for rejoining. I suspect any attempts to rejoin wouldn’t be for years, and we should focus on rebuilding ties as much as possible, after years of pretending we can match the trade deals and links with CANZUK or other pipe dreams.

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Sad day. His call for raffle tickets was always a familiar sound.

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bartonscorpion, Just Iron, Iron-awe, CMC, Northumbiron, billpuntonsghost

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I have listened to this and thought he made it clear the fundraiser was done by “Matt Ellis and the others.” I don’t think Max’s “I contributed to the dossier” nonsense has stuck.

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Yes, it’s strange how people don’t believe a lying con man.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

..and one final point from me. We were friends,you sent a a character assassination post that was unjustified to a person you hardly knew. Hurt was the result.You reply has always been,” get over it and move on. “ I have ,but you still have the high and mighty stance you were right.Shame.

Constant regurgitation of this matter doesn’t make me think you have got over it.

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“Interesting he saw the same as me the money from Ian not so Sharp was a donation and not a loan.”

lol. You believe anything if it suits. If Dave says so, you trust it, no matter how many times he’s fibbed. I have seen evidence to suggest otherwise.

Aye, got to be thankful that Dave stepped in to give us an extra 6 months to worsen the situation.

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This seems to have stirred Dodgy Dave into a full statement (as seen on Facebook). I got to the self-pitying waffle about sleepless nights and abuse and gave up on the wall of text. Not interested in his self-pity after the way he treated fans and the club.

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Didn’t they invest in a £2 million function room for this kind of thing? Good use of money.

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Tl;dr: My response to BPG was less about debating religion, more about his complaints about you not treating this site like a preaching session. I was questioning the need to do so on a football site where most are by now familiar with such points of view, and the need to treat others like a mission to be preached to.

And to add to the last bit, I wasn’t speaking of not believing in the message of the Bible for Christians. I was meaning what you had said in the bit where you said you agreed. Where I am against closed minded opinions of other beliefs or putting one’s beliefs (no matter what they are) above the impacts on others. When people do that, it leads to issues.

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I am not bemoaning discussing non-footy on a non-footy sub-forum. My point is in response to BPG bemoaning you not preaching the gospel like there is some need to do so. It irks people and achieves nothing, as can be seen to the responses to the preaching. That is why I mentioned it being a football forum. Not because there’s no need to speak non-footy issues, but questioning the need to act like a missionary when this sub-forum should be about debate, and it’s one of those topics that has been done to death, along with climate change and Palestine, so I don’t really see what more can be gleaned from it. BPG’s demand of you to show the Christian message to others seems pointless and I would suggest any preaching of the gospel message should probably be left elsewhere (though I am not calling for censoring), since everyone has heard it and if they haven’t been swayed by now, they are unlikely to in future.

As for the rest, I have said my piece and don’t want to drag it on too far. All I’ll say is that my point was that BPG’s characterisation of morality as being flawed because I see the issues stemming from rigid ideology from religious to political to nationalist, and those taking such beliefs to an extreme. It wasn’t to argue against people having such a position, it probably is impossible to not have one (certainly politically), but rigid thinking leads to people making decisions that harm others for the ‘good of the cause’. So, no, I won’t agree that God is some necessary marker for morality. Many have used the argument of what God deems moral to commit heinous acts of immorality, all because of rigid thinking.

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I don’t think you have evangelised. Blimey, 5 is an early age for that kind of thing. :-O

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I wasn’t aware of this. Thanks for sharing.

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Why does this site need to gospel message spreading? It’s a football site and the points have been laboured by BPG on several occasions to no avail. BPG, JI, IronAge and others have found solace in their beliefs. That’s no issue for me. Yet the treatment of this site as a conversion ground for BPG grates and is unlikely to succeed.

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