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  • in reply to: The biggest stories #287299
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    The point JI was talking about is relevant to those saying that there has been genocide against Palestinians for years, going back to 1948. I think it’s a strong rebuttal of that, given the Palestinian population has increased over the years despite claims of ‘genocide’ since 1948 from some quarters.

    What is going on is terrible, of course it is. The problem is that some (and for the avoidance of doubt, I am not referring to anyone on this board here) are trying to make this some extra special case, when it is not dissimilar to the situations in Syria, Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen and so many other warzones, so the idea that this is genocide and the others not doesn’t come from any kind of balanced perspective. Just because the loss of life is a tragedy, it doesn’t mean we should just fling accusations around and use emotion to attack anyone calling for a bit more nuance. For one, I don’t think it’s particularly good to be demoting the victims in Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, Myanmar, Sudan etc to of lesser importance when their loss of life is just as bad and the situations they have experienced are not dissimilar to Palestinians.

    I find your post to be “right team, wrong team” as much as anything to do with religion, to be honest. Just provocations and no attempt to understand different perspectives.

    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287298
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    I don’t think pundits questioning how Kane performs can be labelled as abuse really. The pundits were all reiterating how they like Kane, but think there is a limitation in how he is being played after 2 weak performances. It’s the job of pundits to analyse, not cheerlead, so Kane should learn to handle it and do the talking on the pitch.

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    Lord Nigel Haw Haw was stitched up again by airing his appeasement views again. His foreign policy opinions are no different to Galloway or Corbyn.

    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287241
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    My friend in Czechia was saying the Czech pundits were laying into Southgate yesterday, pinning a lot of it on him.

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    Yet teams like Albania can get their players playing to the best of their ability and can do the things we failed to yesterday. However, I don’t think that Foden and Bellingham are so overhyped that they are worse than Albania’s players, with no disrespect to Albania’s players. Many of the errors made yesterday aren’t being made by them in their clubs; they can make intricate passes then. When Pep, Ancelotti etc can see the worth of Bellingham and Foden, as well as the managers of the clubs all the others play for, I don’t think the issue with how we are playing lies with overhyping. It may be things like attitude (I think the so called ‘golden generation’ had a big issue with getting egos to work as a unit), so it may not be all the fault of coaching, but I think it is a large aspect with the dreadful system that just invites pressure.

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    The players did not do themselves any favours yesterday and should be able to make simple passes no matter what. However, a lot of it seems to be stemming from the system. We sit deep a lot of the time, but especially after going a goal ahead. The players get pinned back and Kane is practically a defensive midfielder at this point. There is then no outlet and the ball keeps coming back with us under pressure. This is on Southgate, and this is before we get into Foden and especially Trent being out of position, especially the latter. With constant pressure the panic rises and the morale drops, while the opposition gain momentum and it’s hard to switch back into higher gears after that.

    It’s similar to what happened previously under Southgate. Except then the opposition couldn’t live with the talent we do possess, and Southgate’s instilled unity helped a lot, but now they have figured how to nullify the talent and we seem to be struggling more. This hasn’t been a one off. Since the last world cup we have struggled in games. Many of those games aren’t so meaningful, but it’s a worrying pattern. The game has moved on from ‘managing’ the game by sitting back and trying to stifle the attack. The ‘tiki taka’ of Barcelona and Spain, plus the pressing brought in by German coaches has rendered it archaic. Now this is becoming more common, well drilled teams like Denmark can nullify it and the better teams are only more likely to do so. I don’t have any confidence that Southgate knows how to play differently or adapt with the players at his disposal.

    It annoys me when some say we have to be winning the Euros with this squad, it does come across as arrogant. However, they are right in that we should be performing a lot better with this squad. It may be true that some players may be overhyped, but the star players we have do demonstrate good passing, pressing and moves into space for their clubs. I don’t think the only reason Foden can do this for Man City is because De Bruyne, Rodri and Bernado Silva enable him to pass a ball quicker and more accurately. I don’t believe that Bellingham can look like the star in a Real shirt because of Vinicius Jr, Kroos or Nacho. If they were so bad as to not be able to pass a ball they would stand out like a sore thumb. If they really are so overrated that they struggle like this, then it sweeps by pretty much every expert. So many nations like Romania, Austria and Turkey have impressed so far, but I don’t think their players are as good as England’s. Not because of overhype, but because they don’t necessarily replicate it in club shirts or stand out like English players. It suggests to me that the underperformance seen so far is not because of overhype, but lack of gelling, ineffective tactics and systems. There may be an issue with players here, but a lot of this falls on the coaching in my opinion.

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    in reply to: Message for believers. #287234
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    Zzzzz

    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287225
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    We did have some scrappy games in previous group stages, but none of the performances were as disjointed as yesterday from memory.

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287214
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    Cote D’Ivoire in this year’s African Cup of Nations after the group stages. They went on to win the whole thing.

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287200
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    Woeful so far.

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    Being against Netanyahu is not antisemitic, but too often those who claim they’re ‘legitimately criticising Israel’ use that to justify demonisation of Jews who support the idea of an Israel, demonisation of Israeli Jews as a whole and tie in unconnected rubbish as such.

    One can criticise Netanyahu without portraying him as a blood drinking demon (blood libel) similar to how we can criticise Robert Mugabe without resorting to racist caricatures of black people. It’s not Netayahu this affects in this country, but Jews who see it.

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    No point moaning. The clowns you supported have brought us to this point with wage demands possible and a sustainable set up required.

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    I wonder why we might not be able to offer large wages now.

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    in reply to: Euro Prediction League #287118
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    If that is based on yesterday’s results, I don’t think it has been updated since the day before.

    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287100
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    I agree that the defence seems a weak link, but that wasn’t an issue last night. The goalie and back four played well. We seem to be making the same mistakes, and Southgate doesn’t seem to know how to stop us from losing control of games after taking a lead. He has done well, and I am not saying this to be negative, but a fresh outlook would surely not be amiss if we lose again in the knockouts with the same things happening. We don’t have a right to win, and if this was Southgate’s first tournament I wouldn’t be saying it, but with some of those players there are many valid questions as to why Southgate can’t seem to maximise it.

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287096
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    England don’t have a right to win every tournament, no team does, but we do have a right to expect us to play to the best of our ability. Many of these players have shown their class for their clubs, which have made them have very good reputations. Bellingham was sensational for Real Madrid, Kane did have a good season for Bayern and Foden for Man City. My non-English friends say the same thing, so I don’t think it’s all English bias. Many knowledgeable fans can see the same players put in star performances for their clubs, but failing for their country. I don’t believe that Foden can go from being a big player for Man City to resorting to sloppy passing and hoofs from defence as he did with England last night. Pep wouldn’t have that.

    Southgate does have a decent record with England. I would say he has done the most to make a united England team out of any manager for decades. This is to his credit, but he isn’t without flaws. It doesn’t seem fair to make out that we have achieved more results under Southgate because of him alone and to say failures only come because of players alone, or vice versa. When looking at the record above, we could say that the players we have got have allowed us to achieve such results, so Ferrite’s criticism of them is as wrong headed as any directed at Southgate because of this. Those results and tournament progressions aren’t bad for a team whose players regularly get found out at international level, where this argument is used against a team like Serbia, who are a good team but not better than some of those we have beaten in the recent past.

    I have just finished watching Romania beat Ukraine with a more composed performance than England last night. I doubt the Romanian team are actually more talented than England, but are underhyped because of English bias. Their left back is a Spurs bench player, many others play in leagues of lower quality, but they looked like a team that could have beaten us last night. They were well drilled and knew how to control a lead, which is something we have lacked often under Southgate.

    The positives are that we had scrappy performances in groups in all previous tournaments with Gareth and that didn’t stop us achieving more than we had done for years. Gareth clearly can man manage, which has allowed some success, but the performance yesterday was not a one off and is what punished us against Italy in 2021 and Croatia in 2018. He clearly hasn’t found a solution to it, and doesn’t seem to make changes to prevent it. I would expect a coach to be able to drill the squad in how to actually control a game, with possession, like other nations do. Even ones like Romania, with players of a lower calibre. That is on Southgate and I feel like he cannot get more out of the squad, so if we fail, I would like to see a fresh start with another manager who can maybe identify how to maximise the potential. After 4 major tournaments Gareth will have had enough opportunities.

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    in reply to: Scunthorpe 2.0 #287066
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    Shearer was purring over Trent’s performance, so I take what he says with a pinch of salt. Not Trent’s fault, he was out of position and struggled with an unfamiliar role, but it wasn’t something to rave over. He was one of the weak links. Like Kane and Foden.

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    Typical Southgate performance. France, Germany, Spain etc control games. We sit back an invite pressure and play hoofball with ages taken to make a change.

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    in reply to: Who would have thought it! #287045
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    Farage praises Putin because Trump is an admirer, as is a significant number of the Republican party.
    This should not come as a shock after a significant number of the GOP supported Hitler before WW2.

    Farage was admiring Putin before Trump’s presidency to be fair.

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    Nigel Farage was praising Putin’s competence the other day. The competence that has destroyed his functioning army against a nation much smaller, pushed Sweden and Finland into NATO, increased reluctance to appease him from European nations at least (hence why his ridiculous ceasefire demands will not be met, in all likelihood), ruined his economy, made him reliant on China, Iran and North Korea for arms and where the only chance of victory seems to rely on sheer swarming by large population numbers. In a “special operation” that was supposed to last weeks. This seems to be incompetent to me.

    in reply to: When the genocide stops #287037
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    You presume too much. There is no ‘giggling’ at any of this. These IDF soldiers engage in shameless and disgusting destruction (which is not ‘genocide’, but still horrible), therefore stuff like attending memorials to extremist terrorists is ok? It’s that what got Saint Jeremy in trouble, not criticising stuff like this.

    Also, be careful sharing John Aziz. You will be called a Zionist puppet by the ‘pro-Palestinians’ because he is seen as such for his commendable views on working for a peaceful solution with two states and opposition to violent resistance.

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    Already gone to Southport, I believe.

    in reply to: Simon E. #286979
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    I knew it would attract some negative comments by posting an alternative view but I have never been afraid to hold my own opinion even if it does ebb against the tide.

    Fair enough here. There were plenty of us on here, and on twitter, who had justifiable concerns about Dodgy Dave and this was maybe a minority opinion for a while.

    We have to be open to the possibility of being wrong. I was a bit aggrieved by Simon’s sticking up for Hilton in spring 2023 and deriding sceptics, without much of an apology later on. This is what has caused division over him. That said, any work by him is good. Though, I am not too fussed about him going if it was causing any friction.

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    My own feeling on this is that Simon probably did have something to offer regarding sponsorship links. However, the shareholders have been split among those who contributed the most financially. If Simon has been disgruntled because he isn’t a big wig, he needs to get his ego checked. I remember when that news article didn’t include him among the saviours, until hours later when he was included. I wonder if that was him with some angry phone calls.

    I do feel like he has an ego. Photos with Jimmy at the operation and being at Hilton’s side when Hilton needed some credibility. The problem with Simon and Hilton was that he opposed anyone who dared call out Hilton at the time, which goes against this portrayal of him as tirelessly working to save the club (people were citing Simon’s say so for why they trusted that Hilton had the funds). Compared to Michelle, Roj and Sharp his contributions seem to have been minimal. A streamlined board will serve us better than Simon, if he did kick up a fuss about shares. I don’t think his advantages with bringing in sponsors from Volkswagen or BMW outweigh him being a potential trouble causer because he wants his name in lights.

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    in reply to: Portillo moment at the General Election… #286938
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    His Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy moment (in fact worse, since GB didn’t know he’d left the mic on – this mishap was planned). Amateurish.

    in reply to: Fit or Knackered? #286848
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    Perhaps they should invite a convicted con man in and things will improve.

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    What’s your opinion of the Glazers?

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    Expecting our solvency to rely on the wealth of benefactors is precisely the problem which led us to fall to the depths under Swann and Hilton. Though, with the latter, the wealth they were portraying just wasn’t there.

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    in reply to: First to jump ship #286649
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    Bearing in mind Butler’s comments, I feel the Mrs B social media post may have been an attempt to get ahead of things and try to set the narrative rather than have to deal with people calling him out for rejecting three offers.

    Aye. Given there were three, I highly doubt that the best one was only just above minimum wage (were the other 2 lower than minimum wage and therefore illegal? I doubt it). If the money was the issue for the negotiations, I suspect the club would have made alterations in the renewed offers.

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    She didn’t say “one of the offers” was a touch above minimum wage. It was not said at all that he received more than one. In fact everyone assumed it was one offer, and the implication was that it was a derisory one as a way of saying they tried to keep him. That he was offered 3 contradicts the “he wasn’t wanted” interpretation, since the club wouldn’t bother with renegotiation if this was the case. Which makes this statement by her lose some reliability, so I don’t know why we should treat it as beyond doubting.

    I don’t see why Andy needs to go into the specifics of contract negotiations. Such dealings involve negotiations and the club showing hands on how they handled this would have other players, for transfers or contract negotiations trying to push for their benefit. Not because of anything sinister, but because it’s natural to try and push for financial advantages in contracts. Anything that loses the club leverage pushes it in the player’s favour.

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