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Boris, famously lazy, has fight. Only for his own skin. :-)
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Still one sided, NI. It’s not just about the woman if you see the unborn as a person. You clearly don’t. I do. We have different beliefs.
A second point. As a man I care about humanity. Male, female and unborn. That’s why I state my opinion.The unborn are not in any way sentient. Many women would find it grossly offensive to think that their own worth and choices over their own body is worth as much or less than an embryo.
You are, of course, welcome to these beliefs. However, a society shouldn’t have to live by the whims of anyone else’s beliefs. By outlawing abortion in many states women are now being prevented from something based on a belief, regardless of their own background. This is what is wrong about religion, the talk on whether Christian belief is a religion misses the point. Belief, with harmful side effects, is being forced upon others, be it USA or Afghanistan.
Do I think abortion is something to be taken lightly? No. Do I think there should be a limit? Yes. However, I do think a woman has the right to decisions on her own body, especially when the ‘unborn’ is not remotely sentient, capable of life without the uterus and akin to a human as we know it. When assessing morality I base it off how my actions will affect others, and I cannot see an embryo with no internal feeling or sentience as remotely equal to the woman. To do so would be hugely degrading to the woman.
I would be more believing that the Republicans have any kind of care for the woman if they did anything to help them in this. Increased birth rates would only create severe economic challenges on the family, and it’s the mother who bears the brunt. Instead, Republicans are against any kind of social care, so they have to fend for themselves. Unsafe abortions will increase, putting the mother at a health risk. Instead, Republicans are more concerned about how to criminalise women for abortions, including talk of the sodding death penalty in some states.
Looking at other countries who have strict abortion laws shows the worry. El Salvador has given life sentences to women for a miscarriage. Brazil have separated children from mothers who tried to pursue an abortion beforehand to become state orphans. The USA has poor maternal mortality, with their insurance based healthcare system being one reason. Pro-life conservatives do not bother with this, they do not help out, so I do not believe them when they claim they care about women. Pro-life for the unborn, until they are born, where they lose interest and they can both rot together.
I should state that I am speaking a lot in generalities here. I do not mean to accuse you of not caring about women.
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The difference between a kestrel egg being destroyed by a human, is of course, that this is harming something else. It would, of course, be immoral to forcibly terminate someone else’s pregnancy with no consent, which is analogous to your example.
The fact is that restricting abortion does control women’s bodies. The assertion that an embryo is sentient is a belief. Society shouldn’t base laws, and control over life on belief. You can dress it up all you want, but this is controlling women’s choices on their own body. And I will take no lessons on what’s helpful from those who call or make out pro-choice people are baby murderers. ;-)
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No surprises that the Christians who usually moan about loss of freedom and control over others are celebrating the loss of freedoms and control over others when it suits them. :-)
This in turn with the talk of distaste at religion in another thread. Well, this is the face of religion I dislike, so there can be no wriggling here. And next it may be gay marriage, gay relationships and contraception. An authoritarian viewpoint put forward on others, who do not believe in their stance. Yet they howl with fury at anything which affects them, rightly or wrongly.
It’s all about controlling women. The unproven sentience of an embryo, which cannot survive without the womb is more important than the woman or what happens afterwards. Those who celebrate this usually don’t give a damn about helping children economically, they call it socialism out to destroy America. The Americans rail against means to prevent gun deaths. In short, their ‘pro-life’ statement doesn’t seem to bother them, except for when it means controlling the woman during pregnancy. They have all the excuses in the world for making life harder afterwards, :-)
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I would be fine with religious debate. However, BPG isn’t interested in such. He just wants to preach and proselytise.
JustIron has provided good debate on the subject, which doesn’t bring the same fatigue at dealing with a BPG sermon. He gives the impression he cannot comprehend other viewpoints. :-)
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Christianity is a religion. All Christians are religious. Some may not buy into the organised version, which is where the major problems lie, but they still have a religion.
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