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I do think Deerey had a point a week or so ago. The back 5 didn’t help, but there are bigger problems afoot. I am not convinced by the balance of the squad and wonder if they actually are good enough.

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Scunny’s Twitter says he’s ill.

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Is Williams injured?

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My memories of the Laws days were that there were some very good days and some bad days. We had promotions in 99 and 05, which he takes credit for, and the disasters of 99-00 and 03-04. Laws takes the blame for them too. I remember 03-04, when we had Barwick and Kilford in midfield, while Kell and Calvo-Garcia were on the bench and we nearly went down. Still, he got his act together for the next season with some pivotal signings that set us up for our recent halcyon days, with Musselwhite, Crosby, Baraclough and Keogh.

The less said about his last stint the better.

Readily admit I’m looking through rose tinted glasses, but even when we were crap that era of football still at least seemed entertaining.

I don’t know if it’s age that diminishes the enjoyment or that the football in general has moved in a different direction where possession/shape/stats are king.

I think that was true for most football clubs. Managers today do emphasise possession to nullify the other team, but it reduces chances on goal.

As for envy of the small clubs in the late 90s/early 00s. I would say that would be Crewe.

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My memories of the Laws days were that there were some very good days and some bad days. We had promotions in 99 and 05, which he takes credit for, and the disasters of 99-00 and 03-04. Laws takes the blame for them too. I remember 03-04, when we had Barwick and Kilford in midfield, while Kell and Calvo-Garcia were on the bench and we nearly went down. Still, he got his act together for the next season with some pivotal signings that set us up for our recent halcyon days, with Musselwhite, Crosby, Baraclough and Keogh.

The less said about his last stint the better.

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https://x.com/The_FCAs/status/1859720108320620751

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cassidystash wrote:

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We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.

Not entitled to success no, but we have the tools to be successful at the level we’re at. As for clubs getting it wrong, we are and, I think, as fans we’re entitled to point that out. ( Calls for sacking going a bit too far at the moment IMO but he’s on very thin ice and has to respond quickly.)

I understand that, and criticism is definitely warranted. It’s just the tone and arguments go way beyond just saying “not good enough, Butler”.

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*but the risk of losing

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Losing players we liked and having a manager who is unable to get results is nowhere near as catastrophic as the club being run to the ground. We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.

The football and results under Butler have not been good enough, but losing the club ought to gave put things into perspective imo.

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It’s about time Biden’s silly restrictions were lifted, so that Ukraine can defend itself like any other nation under attack would.

I have seen people going on about WWIII, but they said the same when Ukraine was given HIMARS, when Ukraine launched an incursion into Kursk, when they made targeted strikes in Crimea and when we helped Ukraine at all. WWIII didn’t happen then and it highly likely won’t happen now. Russia considers Crimea and the territory gained in the Donbas to be Russian soil, where British weapons have been used, and in the neighbouring Belgograd and Kursk regions. Russia hasn’t responded to that, so I don’t see them making a major response now because targets further into Russia are now possible. What’s more is that many of those talking of ‘escalation’ now were quiet when Russia used Iranian armaments and started drafting in North Korean soldiers. It’s only the side we’re allied with that’s expected to restrict itself severely, which just gives advantage to Russia in its attempts to play empire.

Frankly, with the uncertainties in the USA, Europe will now have to play a greater role in assuring European defence for the benefit of ourselves and Ukraine. There’s a reason why Poland, Finland, Sweden, Romania and the Baltic states are ramping up military spending, so if Putin succeeds in land grabs we face more upheaval, not less.

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https://x.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/1859146602943852932

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Funny, as I remember people complaining about Wilcox leaving no forwards up front when defending corners over 10 years ago.

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You’re not in his good books at the moment, Apollo.

You were also correct in that his good behaviour wouldn’t last.

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News to me if I am.

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Yeah. Rene’s thread got deleted, but there’s a thread from you and Steve on about that 64 thread on there.

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That’s you me and jobsworth threads today.

You mean the ones moved to non-footy?

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Making jokes about board users being drug users seems a bit much. Though I am less keen on stating where forum users may live.

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There is no will for me in defending him any more. It’s not a blip, he doesn’t learn and doubles down on the worst aspects. Brogan as RWB, I ask you.

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We need wins to bolster confidence and Butler weakens the squad against a tough team. Or did he think they were going to be poorer than they are.

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Big n Nasty would be happy with him.

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God is a Spirit,infinite,eternal,and unchangeable,in his being,wisdom,power,holiness,justice,goodness,and truth.

Can God fix a broken tab key?

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Where has this “Turnbull was a Hilton mouthpiece” come from? He made that poor statement about fan protests under Swann, but I have some sympathy given the circumstances. There was a lot of worry over the future of the club and Swann would have pressured him.

Under Hilton he was very quiet, and I suspect not keen on what was being done to the club by that wrecker. However, from what has been said on podcasts since it was clear that himself, Michelle and Roj worked their socks off to sort out the mess left by Hilton. For that alone he deserves thanks and respect, alongside many years of loyal work.

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If the board wanted to freshen up player recruitment, fine, but Lee deserved a better statement than that.

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I think it was possibly sarcasm.

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Measured criticism would be fine, but anyone who turns on the board because of Butler is being idiotic. We would rightfully be seen as the most entitled fanbase by others to lose support for them after backing the wrong manager, even with mistakes made.

I am glad we have stability and a recovering club and do not miss the drama of the latter Swann years and the entirety of Hilton’s. Harness will get the respect from most (I suspect) for that after the idiocy of the previous two, even if it bores them when their better custodianship gets mentioned.

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I have also heard some whispers about Dean and his own past, which are a bit disconcerting.

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Using the terms ‘patience’ or ‘reality check’ is often replied to with ‘I’m sick of hearing about still having a club’

Like that’s just a minor part of our recent history. Yes, the on field situation is not good enough for us right now, but some perspective is needed. Some sounded happier when we were on the verge with unpaid staff and a move to Gainsborough on the horizon than now with a healthier off field situation. Yes, the performances haven’t been good, but the OTT nature as if this season’s poor form trumps the club dying is mad.

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It’s a false 9 now. I have seen articles saying Bergkamp is the best false 9 in history. I always thought of him as a centre-forward, but now he’s been changed to fit modern terminology.

If we have expected goals and expected assists, why not expected headers, expected tackles, expected offsides, expected passes and expected bites (for Suarez)? Coaches could run wild with using this to give evidence of the success of their ‘philosophies’ and use stats to make it seem like they’re achieving something.

We could implement expected flops to the floor and expected finger points to optimise when and how Whitehall falls over and Clunan points to other players.

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Death by micromanagement. I see there are some sites that track expected assists to go along with the other dubious stat in expected goals.

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Michelle’s 3rd and 4th mistake…

(3) Not seeing what’s clear to most people in that Butlers got zero tactical ability
(4) Allowing Butler more of the budget to go and waste

Enough is enough, stop this nonsense before the Ill feeling starts to be aimed towards the board

If fans turn on the board because of poor on the field performances, after the chaos of the last two clown owners, it will be exasperating.

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