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Joking Apollo. A bit quick on the trigger there.
You might have some technology issues. He was a tad quieter than James but could make out every word listening to it on my phone.
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I have never seen the Iron play well with 3 centre backs but I have only been watching for 50 years.
Given that at least 80% of the time last season we faced 1 up front why on earth would we want to play 3 centre backs?
Agree with WG that Kouogan and Evans should probably be first choice pair.
Kouogan has a turn of pace the other 2 don’t have and Evans is much the better passer of the 3.
Boyce is a good player and a consistent performer and we certainly need 3 quality centre backs. Always likely to have suspensions, injuries or concussion protocols going on with centre backs so not surprising Boycie made about 30 appearances last season.
I would put money on no-one that visits this site has ever signed up to a 65% wage cut.
If he had been offered a 35% wage cut and had declined it most folks would have just said thanks for the memories Jacob and wished him well.
If the estimated figures are broadly true then no offer would gave been more respectful than the one reported.
If Butler wants to go a different way that’s absolutely fine but just saying thanks and bye would have been better than making an offer that was never going to be considered.
I get that Butler is new to this and perhaps deserves to be cut some slack but surely Turnbull and/or the Directors responsible for football should have given him some better advice on this one.
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When he first signed for us we were one level higher and at the time he signed he was probably told we were only planning 1 season in the National League.
He probably thought that meant we were going for promotion.
I remember reading something by the owner/chairman of Bishops Stortford when they were unhappy about being placed in National League North.
He said a big problem was clubs actually in the north could sign decent part time footballers for about £500 a week whereas clubs in the south had to pay about £800 a week for the same quality.
If that is anything close to being correct then offering arguably the best footballer in the league last season less than £500 a week as a full timer would be insulting if true.
I agree with Lesgeo that footballers salaries are best kept confidential but if this is Butlers way of saying he doesn’t want Butterfield in his team then I hope he learns to be more honest in the future.
Minimum wage is about £390 a week. Let’s be generous and say a fraction above is 20% uplift which suggests Butterfield was offered about £470 a week or circa £25.5k a year.
If it’s a 65% reduction that means he was on about £70k a year or about £1,350 a week.
I can believe the £70k and probably think he was worth that.
Not sure I believe the club would offer a player to drop from £1,350 a week to £470. If it is true then I would agree with Mrs B that the message is they don’t want him.
That is of course is if it actually is Mrs B on Facebook. Never used it myself but am told it’s quite easy to pretend you’re someone else on Facebook and that occasionally people tell porkies on there.
The only “creative” player we have let go is Sembie-Ferris and it seems he wanted to be nearer family. Also he never made the team when we had a full squad.
Butterfield and Elliott were made offers that were either exceeded by offers from elsewhere or matched by more attractive clubs. Elliott rarely made the team with a full squad available either.
So really it’s down to Butterfield that is the miss. He deserves to play his last season or two somewhere higher than pub league level so good luck to him and thanks for some good memories. Tamworth and Boston demonstrate that high level midfield creativity is probably not what gets you promoted from National League North.
Those surprised we offered Boyce and Evans contracts – surely even with Butler’s desire for a smaller squad we need a backup centre back?
All 3 are decent – would be better if one was a left footer but any 2 do a good job at this level.
If everyone else re-signs I reckon we need a keeper, a right back, two athletic midfielders and 2/3 forwards.
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Butterfield was not as effective in the last dozen or so games but I don’t think it was fitness related.
Two things happened. Even the less tactically aware of our opponents realised that stopping Butterfield negated about 80% of our attacking threat. Given most opposition had at least one extra player in midfield this was easy for them.
At the same time Dean became more concerned with not losing and we saw less off Denton and Ogle pushing on and more of Roberts, Corbett, Sembie-Ferris, McAlinden or Beestin (whoever was nominally playing wide forward) were creeping back to become half arsed wide midfielders.Left Butterfield (and Clunan and Scales) with very little to play forward passes to.
Disappointed he has gone as we all know how good he is in a side with a positive outlook. Gives Beestin the chance to finally nail that attacking midfield role which is where he does his best stuff.
We need 40 games out of you though Alfie.
Agree with WG.
At this level there are 3 qualities a perfect full back needs.
1. Decent defensively.
2. Can pass and cross well.
3. Good in the air to help with the aerial bombardment.Ogle has 1 but neither 2 or 3 (Denton is the same).
Gives Barrows a proper opportunity and allows Butler the chance to recruit another full back with wider qualities.
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Just see it as a way of helping the club financially when they (we) need it most.
I did win a small prize and donated it back. I would and will do the same whatever the prize until we are debt free. When we get to that point I would prefer the prize to be in club shares or at least to have that as an option.
On that topic I know the board are looking into this but if there was a simple way of buying shares in say £100 blocks I think the rest of the debt could be cleared very quickly.
Agree with most of that Fans but let’s not forget Swann took the ground having stated many times over the years that he would not do so.
Regarding the ground and Hilton the situation was the same when he left as it was when he arrived.We should never forget what the pair of them did but do we really need to be giving Hilton the oxygen of publicly for his ramblings.
At least Swann keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t try and defend the indefensible.
May 22, 2024 at 11:07 am in reply to: A little light listening for the Bank Holiday weekend… #286097Should be available on bbc sounds app post broadcast for those unable to listen at the broadcast time.
That was just another of the elder Cygnet’s aliases Cass.
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Who cares?
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12 points from 4 home games against the North East teams without breaking sweat. 1 point from the 4 away games highlights Dean’s biggest problem last season.
Let’s hope Butler cam work out how to get the team performing away from home.
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If we could get him for nowt or close to it and he fits the wage structure I would have him in a flash.
Even without Law and Roberts injury concerns we need an additional wide player. Corbett is more skillful, harder working and more resilient than Law on the evidence I saw.
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He probably cost us a point at Spennymoor. The ref cost us the other 2.
He’s surviving his third chairman and if you include caretakers his thirteenth manager so I guess he must be contributing something useful.
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I have got a hypothesis with a tiny bit of science behind it.
Given Butler (probably with input from Turnbull) wants to keep 18 or so of last seasons squad to spearhead next seasons title tilt then he doesn’t think the players are the reason we did not achieve it last season.
By inference he thinks the 3 management that have recently departed the club were the problem. He couldn’t/wouldn’t admit this publicly of course but it is a fairly obvious conclusion to draw.
If that is the case then I agree with him.
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Butler also talked about loan players and I suspect he sees loans in addition to his “core” squad of twenty. Particularly if he can secure low or no cost loans.
Would make sense to loan a good young keeper (Foster?) or strikers that aren’t first choice but need to be much fit (Lavery?). Possibly not from the Cods but I’m sure our other local higher level near neighbours have players that would benefit more from playing for us than their clubs reserve teams.
Was like watching the Iron. Got the big crowd in then forgot trying to win the game.
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Roberts, Beestin and Kelly as well as Law have been unavailable for half the season or more.
Beestin is the only one we have a choice about. Hopefully all 4 will have better luck with their fitness next season.
I think Law and Roberts if fully fit could play wide in a midfield four but the prospective squad if all offers are taken up leave us exposed for cover for these 2. Assume one incoming has to be a keeper.
Well done folks.
Never managed to do anything in the EFL. With us or anyone else.
Might get his chance now with Bromley.
Not sure it was a worse performance. Almost as bad is a fairer description Bill.
Given most Man U fans are Londoners then they hadn’t wasted anywhere near as much time travelling either.
In his defence I very rarely hurl abuse at referees but I felt compelled to make an exception at Spennymoor.
Is that the Jamie Vardy that Alan Knill said was no better than the forwards we already had when he could have signed him from Halifax.
In his defence we did have Bobby Grant and Jordan Robertson so was he wrong??
Well done Stampy. Until now I thought I was the most sarcastic poster on Bru.
Is that the Jamie Vardy that Alan Knill said was no better than the forwards we already had when he could have signed him from Halifax.
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