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Accepting 3 centre backs is a given I would agree with Cass on the starting 11 with Rowley missing out for me.
This assumes Denton is properly match fit.
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Agree Cass but you wouldn’t be signing Roberts or Law if you were planning to play 3 at the back.
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Given Butler is obviously going to stand or fall with 3 centre backs then I agree with SST regarding Denton, Roberts and Brogan have to start and also Scales at RWB.
I would also suggest Kouogan, Evans and Nicholson need to be the 3 as they can all pass the ball better than Boyce.
I would probably start with Whitehall and Carlton up front with Beestin getting 30 minutes – probably for Whitehall who has been poor throughout preseason.
One last moan about 3 at the back and then I will shut up about it. Whatever we think were the reasons we didn’t get promoted last season the one thing no-one could blame was our back four. Even Tamworth would have swapped theirs for ours. Why then is that the bit that needs changing? Apart from needing to replace Ogle obviously.
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Few weeks ago went to Barton for a friendly and thought oh dear we don’t have much of a clue how to play 3 at the back. I didn’t think we had the right centre backs to play the system (i.e. ones that cam play a bit of football) and I didn’t see any wing backs in the squad (just 3 out and out full backs and 2 out and out wingers).
Just watched us play us play Chesterfield who I accept are much higher quality than anyone else we will play this season but sadly have seen nothing tonight or in any of the other friendlies to change my mind since the Barton game. 3 CB’s on the field with 2 full backs (sorry, wing backs) who probably see themselves primarily as centre backs and we still let the likes of Colclough win headers in the 6 yard box.
One of the reasons I dislike 3 centre backs at this level is invariably none of them can play any constructive football. If you compound this by playing out and out defenders as wing backs then 5 of your team offer no creativity.
When your 2 centre midfielders are Scales and Clunan who made about 3 assists and scored about 3 goals between them in a freescoring team last season then that puts an awful lot of pressure on your 10. Not surprisingly Rowley was not up to single handedly creating lots of chances. Not helped by the fact that whenever the midfield got the ball into the centre forward his poor touch set up a Chesterfield counter attack. This happened 4 or 5 times in the first half alone.
Only positive for the Iron was Chesterfield couldn’t be arsed to go on to get 6 or 7.
Will travel to Brackley in hope but very little expectation.
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Needing a few of those extra centre backs already.
Hope the extra cash makes up for having to play in a dodgy athletics stadium in front of about 1,000
Good luck though Jakey.
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Yes Cass it was one of the 783 sponsorship announcements made during the Halifax game.
Soon be a sponsor of sponsorship announcements.
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We were announced as Cal’s kit sponsor on Saturday.
Oh and didn’t Clunan get sponsors man of the match?
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We all see different things. Folks around me were agreeing that Beestin looked the fittest and sharpest anyone had ever seen him on Saturday.
When I’m leaving Brackley at 17:00 a week on Saturday I might change my mind but at the moment I’m struggling to understand the negativity.
I am not a fan of 3 at the back at any level of football but that’s the way Butler is going and he deserves the chance to give it a go with our support.
Given that fact it is unlikely the 2 first 11 picks from last season that have left would have made regular appearances anyway. Ogle is an OK full back but the almost total lack of end product from his marauding runs makes him pretty unsuited to the wing back role. As much as I loved watching Butterfield thrive under Jimmy’s fetish for low paced football I think Butler is planning a more athletic and high tempo midfield in which Jacob would likely have struggled.
Solid at the back whilst quick and aggressive in midfield. Seemed to work well for last seasons NLN champions who managed a whole season without doing much that was very clever with the football.
As for being poor against Halifax, when we played a play off team from the National League last season we got roasted. We were not fit enough to get near Solihull Moors. On Saturday though we looked fitter and sharper than Halifax.
Better footballers yes but we didn’t even look fitter and sharper than our semi professional opponents last season.
While we are at it Brogan and Nicholson are very decent players but I do agree Carlton looks the real thing at this level.
From my fairly unscientific research yesterday there were about 20 people ahead of me in the queue and no-one bought a cookie.
Despite it being before half time the only hot food options left were chicken pies and hot dogs. One lady who was complaining bitterly about lack of options was offered a free cookie and refused it.
I thought Butler said Whitehall was at a family event yesterday.
How many did you buy?
£3 a cookie helped me resist the temptation.
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Good to see the Iron look fitter and sharper than another professional team. It’s been a while.
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Listening to fans and acting accordingly has not happened for 10 years so let’s at least recognise progress.
Thank goodness we will have some football to moan about soon.
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Sounded to me like code for we are trying to offload Fitz but we haven’t told him yet and we don’t want to piss him off in case we can’t get someone to pick up the 2 grand a week.
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Last time probably Newcastle cup replay during the miners strike so no floodlights allowed. 1973 I think. Got disciplined by British Steel for skipping college that afternoon.
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I think a fit Roberts is probably 3 leagues better than where he currently is. I don’t think we have even seen him properly match fit. He’s not really played a sustained spell for 3 years so he is much like Beestin in that he needs 5 games or so to get match sharp.
When fit he will waltz through low blocks at this level. Can Butler turn him into a number 10 though?
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I like Fitz but makes financial sense. Perfectly competent keepers around for a grand a week or less.
Are we looking for new homes for Roberts and Kelly who are probably on at least as much.
Roberts doesn’t seem to have a natural place in the new formation and he’s got through most of pre season without injury (hastily touches nearest wood). Higher level teams have surely noticed.
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Call me cynical but I suspect the “Football Department” fancied having a few drinks on NYE. The published post decision justification sounds a load of tosh.
Would have been a valid and sensible decision if NYE was a Saturday or Sunday but it’s a bit daft to schedule a working day afternoon kick off.
Not a big deal and if this remains the level of mistake after the magnitude of cock ups made by Swann and Hilton then we will do OK.
My worry is that in the friendlies so far I’m not seeing too many convincing wing backs.
Given we have potentially 3 left backs, 1 right back and 2 wingers on the books but the only one that’s looked promising in the position is Scales who is primarily a midfielder.
Appreciate Kelly yet to appear and Denton and Barrows (who I assume will be first choice) may get better with practice but I think goals might be hard to come by if those 2 are our wide attacking threats.
Of course we would score if you played Roberts and Law at wing back but the back 3 would be busy.
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Seems at least a bit daft to have a 15:00 kick off on a work day NYE.
It would be crazy to schedule an evening kick off.
Perhaps the Welsh don’t celebrate NYE.
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Any slight increase in home fans attending likely to be more than offset by many less Kiddy fans able to make the Friday night game.
Used to like a Friday night fixture back in the day when I was playing every Saturday but surely they should have experimented with a fixture against a club whose fans could have fitted in a taxi.
Very odd to have a 15:00 kick off on a working day.
You do have to go to a couple of Premier League games a week to pretend you are checking on players so might struggle to get to so many Iron games.
I’d probably still do it for the £5m though.
I think that the ‘solid RB’ arrived yesterday.
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