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Unless his game has changed significantly since he was here before he plays either where Roberts or Beestin play. Not as good as the first and not as reliable or hard working as the second.
Certainly not the silver bullet for the 5-3-2 system.
Hope he’s not a replacement for a departing Roberts in January.
Less a change of system I’m afraid, more Butlers response as to why his system isn’t working lately.
Can’t be the 7 defensive players. They are only gifting poor teams about 3 goals a game – apart from Radcliffe who were not even good enough to accept their gift invitations.
It must be those useless attackers. The 4 of them can’t even dominate an 8 or 9 man defence.
At least Luke can take residence of the Jordan Hallam memorial physio bench now Roberts and Beestin (thankfully) have stopped sharing it.
He might have to push Law aside – not a difficult task based on his few cameo appearances.
Don’t know what Turnbull did that warranted termination but it must have been bad to have beaten a couple of more obvious candidates out of the door.
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3-5-2 (more often 5-3-2 in our version) needs three things:
At least one centre back who can pass the ball consistently well
2 wing backs who offer a constant threat in attack
A holding midfielder that can (and loves to) tackleWe didn’t have any of those 4 before recruitment and sadly we didn’t have any once it was completed. Honourable mention to Barrows who has adjusted just about enough to be an OK wing back at this level.
I can see why we recruited Carlton although yet to deliver. The rest baffle me if this was the only formation in play.
Did Butler recruit for 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 and then get swayed to the dark side by Schofield? He did arrive post recruitment. One assumes Turnbull had some influence on recruitment and that didn’t end well.
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I would question the judgement and intelligence of anyone involved in professional sport allowing that to be videoed.
Surely traits we would expect to see in top class referees.
Prem I think you (and Rylands) could have a pretty accurate guess as to how Butler will play it.
We closed them down 4 or 5 times in the first half. We created attacking situations and won free kicks in dangerous areas on the back of this. They were determined to play out from the back but they weren’t actually very good at it.
Could not believe it when we actually backed off them and let them do it.
If you are going to insist on a very rigid game plan then it better be a good one and it had better deliver.
I have seen every game this season (2 or 3 via streaming) apart from Newcastle away and I have no idea what our game plan is.
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If I had a clue what you were talking about I would respond.
Worked OK with Rod Fletcher.
Butler just on Humberside confirming he has the final say on recruitment and doesn’t sign players he doesn’t want.
Admitted the squad needs expanding but only with players that are ready for the first team. Seemed to discount loanees certainly young ones.
We have enough divisive and toxic resident posters without needing it from visitors.
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It’s all immaterial anyway. Butler is going to stand or fall by his formation.
I would give Shrimpton a go because he is prepared to tackle and will give Buxton’s bully boys a bit back. On the few occasions he has had a run of games (here or Spennymoor) he starts to play a bit of football.
Not writing Scales and Clunan off but they have had many chances and dont run the midfield even in games we have won.
Fitz
Barrows Kouogan Evans (Boyce) Denton
Roberts Shrimpton Beestin Brogan
Whitehall (Fishburn) CarltonLet’s give the midget none tackling midfield a break, save Nicholson from himself and Carlton a chance to get match fit. The ones in brackets if first choices not fit.
Suggested Scales would be good at RWB a few times but Roberts aside Barrows is the player who has adapted quickest and best to Butlers formation.
Denton is still like a fish out of water and only one of our 4 centre backs can successfully pass the ball more than 10 yards and he’s injured.
Whatever you think about our midfield or forwards our inability to play Butlers formation start with the back line. Nothing against Boyce and Kouogan. They are very decent back four defenders at this level as they showed many times last season. Denton was probably in the top 3 players for the club last season playing as a full back. None of them have the attributes to play this system. As for Nicholson we cannot keep playing someone who sends simple passes direct to the feet of opposition 3 or 4 times every game.
I refuse to join the Butler out hysteria whilst the team is top of the league but would remind him of the old definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
Find a system that suits the players you have or go find the players that would make your system work.
At a bare minimum this would need:
A centre back with pace that can pass the ball
A centre midfield player who relishes the fight and can win aerial challenges
A right sided wingback with some pace and purpose
A forward that can play with WhitehallThat team would win this league at a canter barring serious injuries. Imagine how bad we could be if Beestin and/or Roberts pick up significant injuries.
Ignoring the vitriol that comes from Patrick’s association with our former owner he makes some good points and speaks with much experience of running very successful event food outlets.
Unlike me who’s culinary skills start and end with toast based cuisine.
Was it just me or did I spot a little bit of football being played when we went 4-4-2?
Better to be lucky than good.
Butler stays top of the league. Unbelievable Jeff.
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It’s what happens at Spennymoor.
Footy food has to address its biggest single challenge. You have two fairly short windows to serve 90% of your product. From about 14:30 until just before kick off then again at half time with about 5 minutes either side.
During these times you want your staff passing out food and drinks, taking payment and moving on. Maybe having one adding food options (peas, gravy, onions etc.) and maybe another pouring drinks.
Cooking stuff and messing about with multi options is bad news for vendors and punters alike.
Menu for hot food should be no more than 5 or 6 and only things that can be batch prepared and ready to rock for the 2 peaks. No expensive catering equipment needed to keep things warm and edible for 30 minutes. Soft drinks and beer in plastic bottles. The club are surely missing out on an earner not selling beer while they can.
The few times I have had decent footy food it invariably follows these principles and the vast majority of times has been done in partnership with businesses that know how to do event food.
Hoping your wrong on both counts IFA.
Both the Iron and humanity could do with a better result tonight.
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Was there last year so don’t know about streaming issues. Lovely little ground though, one of the best in this league. Might have to suffer the stream tomorrow as once again work interferes with the important things in life.
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We had many poor referees last season
All but one were equally poor to both sides. The fella at Spennymoor last year was blatantly biased the like of which I have never seen in 65 years of watching professional football.
Admittedly they have some games in hand but I suspect Trinity fans would swap their cup run for not being 2 points from the bottom of their league.
Radcliffe did exactly what you would expect them to do given their position.
They fought for every ball and turned it into a scrap. Most of our players responded by standing still.
Radcliffe won about 85% of the many second balls. We didn’t look the fittest, strongest team at te Attis Arena never mind in the league.
You have to make your mind up when playing teams playing anti football. You either take on the fight or you pass and move around them. We did neither today.
Same examination paper next Saturday with Buxton. Except they are better at it.
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Three cheers for Deery.
Not many managers would make changes after a 6-0.
Agree Carlton needs minutes but would probably be a bit harsh on Fish.
More concerned that he plays one of them at Spennymoor and leaves Alfie in midfield. Time to show some intent away from home.
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Couple of decent home results against relegation fodder and the likely lads go from Butler out straight to trying to relaunch HMS P1ss the League.
Given Butler is not going to change formation then my (probably forlorn) hope for Farsley and beyond is to at least play the players with the most chance of making it work.
For me that means Kelly having a run at left wing back. Love Denton as a full back but he struggles as soon as he crosses the halfway line. Barrows has managed to adapt and whilst his delivery is hit and miss he does attack with pace and purpose and brings defenders out from the middle to cover his runs. The brief bits we have seen of Kelly suggest he could do the same from the left which would give us more balance and more of a threat when attacking. Also seems able to whip in a decent cross occasionally, something Denton has not really managed all season.
Second thing is Beestin needs to pair up with Roberts in midfield. They are the only 2 consistently creative players we have so let’s have Beestin where he can influence the game more.
Put Carlton or Fish up front with Whitehall and give them a proper run to get sharp and develop a partnership.
We are too easy to play against with Butler’s preferred starting 11. We have plenty of the ball in all the wrong places and don’t offer enough threat to opposition where it matters. Much as teams did with Dean’s one dimensional formation last season the rest of the league has worked out the formula. Defend in numbers, turn midfield into a scrap and wait for us to give the ball away in dangerous areas.
Tamworth could deal with that approach because it suited them fine. They defended better, scrapped in midfield better and had enough quality to capitalise on opposition mistakes.
I still think 4-4-2 is the easiest way to win this league but have to accept we don’t have the squad for the formation. Dean brought in players to suit his favoured 4-3-3 and they are the players getting picked. Nicholson aside one assumes Butler brought in this seasons recruits with 5-3-2 in mind but seems to have forgotten that system stands or falls on having really good wing backs. Let’s at least make the most of what we do have.
Final thought, for all Barrows improvement in the role I would still prefer Scales playing there.
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