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I also know that Simon Elliot has not and will not put a penny of his own money into the club, this came directly from James Moody. Also a massive concern is Michelle talking about already setting a budget with our current unpopular manager before we even know what league we will be in. She talks about using profit from this year to fund next years budget but on the other hand says how much we need handouts to survive and clear debt. She means well but she is clearly being steered by others and I doubt Simon is taken seriously, I think he’s just there because she felt fans wanted it.
Promotion is key for us this year otherwise I fear we may be playing Rushall and Brackley for many many years. Sponsors and supporters will soon get fed up with this level once the honeymoon period is over. Look at our gate in the trophy against Darlington. Less than 2000. That is what we can expect and sustainably in that big stadium we will obviously be a part time club with very average players.
I also heard Michelle mention we have 4 times the playing budget of clubs at our level. But what she fails to say is our loyal fans come in their droves at present and our gates are 6 times the average. Infact the average is only up because of the away support we take to boost their gates. Two years at this level and people will find better things to do on a Saturday, local kids will support big clubs opposed to a step 6 part time club and our club rapidly dies.
I’m paying for promotion because sustainable at our level doesn’t work.

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ironfromafar wrote:

Mick West wrote:

Chairwoman just been on radio said dodgy d never paid any bills.

Well knock me down with a feather , who would of thought DH could of been lying ??? again .. suppose now GP is safe and both Swan and Hilts are out the picture the folks in charge whom i might ad actually have the clubs best interests at heart may start to reveal a few more details and this DH didnt pay BOMBSHELL 555555 shock is only the first.

Hoping the next Atheltic article isnt to long away …what you say Itonironiron ??? any comment ??

I think it was glaringly obvious he didn’t pay most bills. I never once said he did. What I do know he paid is HMRC until July (left £120k debt according to hmrc statements from Sept) and wages until and including August, he obviously paid some bills otherwise how did players eat, how did phones and internet stay on, how did the grass grow, how did players get to away games on VIP busses, how did we attract the calibre of player without paying agents. If you add up what we know was paid and what I have evidence of then it’s clear he lost money. Thats all I’ve ever said, he did not make money on our club. But he clearly didn’t act correctly and was a terrible terrible chairman.
Whilst Michelle has worked wonders my concern with her is she sounds a little thick, like words are planted in her mouth and she repeats without fully understanding what she is talking about. What happens when the hand outs stop, we can’t have begging buckets at turnstiles every game it’s embarrassing. What happens when this honeymoon period ends and people are fed up with dipping into their pockets? Especially if we don’t get promoted. I know for a fact the £500k wasn’t raised by directors so she’s already lying to us. The foundation put in the majority and Jane Laws charity.
We have a stadium yes which is great news and on the face of it Michelle is a real Gem but does she have the ability to take us forward long term or is she just riding the wave that inevitably dies. I also heard a big big rumour that is starting to circulate (not from
Hilton but somebody inside the club)
This is about Rob Waltham and the real reason he miraculously found £2.5m in a few weeks. Let’s see if that has any legs. But we are still in choppy waters trust me.

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I only appeared to show he didn’t make money. Not for a war of words. He did so much damage but the thought of him profiting made my blood boil. I’m comfortable and satisfied he didn’t do that. But I think we can all agree we are better off without him.

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Who knows ironingboard but I see a mention from Joanne Willerton the clubs accountant at the time that the bank he inherited had limitations.
Let’s all be united in the news our stadium is secure from
One bad owner and a real Gem has replaced another.

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You’ve spent weeks telling us all that read on here that he took our club on for profit, if that didn’t sound crazy on its own you now state that me getting proof he lost money therefore proving you a liar that I’m creating division. It’s far easier if we all just agree with you and deery and pay no interest in the truth. You also said he didn’t pay the tax in January and he benefited by the £40,000 left in the club account a few days before pay day. But you pushing that to supporters who most just want the truth is ok, me publishing proven facts with bank docs is dividing the fans.
Hilton deserves the shit he gets I agree with none of his decision making toward the end even though it got us all where we wanted including him, but he caused us embarrassment and frightened us all to death but I will repeat, it was impossible without a million plus of income we know nothing about that he made money. He lost. That’s all I came on to confirm.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘only posted the evidence that he quite clearly lost a fortune.’

That doesn’t constitute verifiable evidence

But when you post your rubbish for weeks with no evidence whatsoever you want people to believe you. Anyone who doesn’t or evidences against your theory are part of a Hilton cult. You say he wasted your time but have spent every week since he left talking about him. I have far more evidence he provided me, I’ve also gone back and asked a few more questions but await a reply.

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ironingboard wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

You gave him longer than he gave posters to supply their email addreses anyway. You might have to wait a bit longer till our new forum member gets a full response from him, but I’m sure it’s on its way.

It’s a shame he hasn’t posted his email address publicly, why does he expect every one else to?

It clearly wasn’t daft was it Siderite because Michelle stepped up and he got to leave. The two alternatives were he carries on funding us when he didn’t want to or we die. Either of those would have been bad for him. So his actions got him and us what we wanted.
I didn’t post to stir unrest, I only posted the evidence that he quite clearly lost a fortune. Everything else said about him has substance but he didn’t take money nor did he buy the club for that reason. He had a go when nobody else would and now we have Michelle rather than Elliot running a phoenix on local parks.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Itonironiron wrote:

This is what this site does. Spins a false story and refuse to look at he truth. I notice not one email address was provided as you do not want site of the facts, the stories you create are more entertaining I suppose. The evidence is there but he’s not wrong, look a those number, can somebody please tell me where any extra income has appeared from other than what he’s itemised. His payroll and HMRC statements are fact I have them. Il repeat you can see them.

So if this money he took is true and it’s not just hate fuelled rabble then I ask you all, where did it come from. Everything I’ve seen shows me he lost money.

Good to see no one shared their email address with you. I hope they continue not to.

I know because to gain information to supply the truth is something you absolutely do not want Deery. You’ve been the biggest pusher of the Hilton filled his pockets campaign. An email address could be set up in seconds it didn’t need to be their own. But the fact you haven’t even acknowledged the evidence he provided only shows how a very small minority react on here to being wrong. You try to make quite important information seem less relevant than an email address. He has much to answer for but making profit isn’t one of them.

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It’s a real trend on here to ridicule anyone who provides anything that contradicts the made up hysteria by the few vocal ones.
I’ve looked at the amount of people on the payroll, I’ve got here every month from Jan – Aug and corresponding official HMRC statements. I also can see what a club costs to run I don’t need to trust anyone to see what my eyes tell me.
I’ve got emails from James moody in August confirming season ticket sale value’s and 1899-100 club, I have lots of paid invoices and every game breakdown until mid August.
He may well be a liar but he is right about one thing, there was no opportunity for him to make profit here. He hasn’t taken money he most certainly lost a hell of a lot of money. If anyone can shed light on income he’s missed off showing an extra million or so I’m
Happy to be proven wrong. It seems not all supporters are.
Failure yes
Crook probably
Benefitted from his time here, no chance

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I’m delighted we have Michelle and Co now I only wish they stepped up last December and Hilton never would have got through the door. But my post was purely to share what I’d learned and that is he didn’t make money he lost money. We should all be happy about that. I’m at peace with it all and can’t wait for Hereford

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I’m sure it will be an interesting read but he also confirmed that the investigation is over with the FA and that the outcome is he did nothing wrong and provided all information requested. If this is true and Slater has more recent stuff on him why has he been passed fit and proper still. It’s common knowledge the Athletic wrote to the FA to kick start the investigation so you’d assume if they had anything the FA would have it.
I’ve actually heard they cannot publish anything else because firstly it’s no longer in the public interest as he’s not in a position that warrants it and secondly that It’s all hearsay without evidence like they had on the previous stuff.
Like I say I’m sure if it comes out it will be worth a read.

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Siderite wrote:

You make too much presumption. I may not like him, but I am not going to start trusting the words of a serial liar.

As for the rest, none of that disproves anything. It wasn’t just Slater who dug into him, and we are again relying on words of a serial liar.

I’m bothering on his words I’ve calculated simple math and put to bed the theory that despite the character he is, he didn’t infact couldn’t load his pockets and skip back home. It’s clear he lost out financially which is a little satisfying I must admit. But the stuff from Slater and others was all stuff from 10 years ago, he did great things at Ilkeston Town and the journalists did ignore that, it was probably most relevant to as it’s more of a reflection of him now.
I think he failed pushed or not in the end but he has built a good squad, kept us alive until September albeit just and handed over the keys with massive financial losses to good people. Despite the rogue I believe he is it isn’t all negative.

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As for ripping off fans, I’m certain when the stadium issue failed toward the end the 1899 was converted and fans given lifetime season tickets. I’m certain they’ve been honoured so it wasn’t quite the swindle you push. Also a lot of staff that were part of 7 years of failure were sacked, I’m certain they wouldn’t have anything good to say.
Il repeat though he was all wrong for us or any club for that matter but we are still here so everything happens for a reason. If he does watch our games I’m confident it’s in hope we lose

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You carry far too much hate and life’s way too short. He didn’t create more debt because he took money he just didn’t pay everything.
I asked him if he was still suing the Athletic and his exact response was that Matt Slaters circumstances were looked into and his exact words were “him and his boyfriend can barely feed themselves so what’s the point” I find this a little distasteful and there’s clearly no love lost between the two. Slater said somewhere he had enough for a box set on Hilton but he said this as Hilton had just left so I’d assume it’s on Hilton not club finances as he’d have no access to those. Time will tell. Like I say I’d sooner his short time be forgotten myself and focus on the future. However we survived we survived and now seem to be on the up.

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That’s one take on it siderite and understandable but we may not be here if he hadn’t took control. He handed it over with obvious losses to people we trust. He could have handed it to any chancer who would have stripped the club like Stuart day did with Stephen Dale. I think he knew he was being forced out and didn’t want to lose yet more money which again is understandable. As for Ponzi schemes, was it that? Or was he trying to bring money into a club with little to no income and massive running costs and debt.
We have a club to support, it’s in safe hands now and whilst he wasn’t right for us he holds his hands up and wishes us well having lost even for a wealthy man what looks a small fortune.
I have no axe to grind anymore I wish him happiness and will put all my effort into supporting Michelle and my club.

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Apollo11 wrote:

Itonironiron wrote:

This is what this site does. Spins a false story and refuse to look at he truth. I notice not one email address was provided as you do not want site of the facts, the stories you create are more entertaining I suppose. The evidence is there but he’s not wrong, look a those number, can somebody please tell me where any extra income has appeared from other than what he’s itemised. His payroll and HMRC statements are fact I have them. Il repeat you can see them.

So if this money he took is true and it’s not just hate fuelled rabble then I ask you all, where did it come from. Everything I’ve seen shows me he lost money.

Not providing email addresses doesn’t mean an aversion to facts (your version of). It just means nobody wanted to give you their email address.

I’ve tried to upload it as requested hopefully you can see it. If not, somebody just set up any email just for this and I will share it.

I’m amazed that nobody actually wants the facts they just love piping on about things that are untrue.
Michelle is a much better fit, but he lost money it’s clear for anyone with gcse maths to see that unless there’s some hidden millions that came into the club we didn’t know about.

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Good afternoon Mr David,
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really look forward to seeing your evidence.

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Apollo11 wrote:

Why has he sent this letter and those supporting documents to you in particular, if you don’t mind me asking?

I had a reasonable relationship with him, I bought into him and then was let down by him.
I emailed him and he responded, I asked for evidence he provided it. That’s what people do who want the truth.

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This is what this site does. Spins a false story and refuse to look at he truth. I notice not one email address was provided as you do not want site of the facts, the stories you create are more entertaining I suppose. The evidence is there but he’s not wrong, look a those number, can somebody please tell me where any extra income has appeared from other than what he’s itemised. His payroll and HMRC statements are fact I have them. Il repeat you can see them.

So if this money he took is true and it’s not just hate fuelled rabble then I ask you all, where did it come from. Everything I’ve seen shows me he lost money.

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He has sent receipts for HMRC, official club matchday breakdowns, internal club email correspondence and with HMRC, a copy of Januarys and Aprils payroll. Plus other things I’m happy to share. He has blanked out individual staff wages though so we cannot see what players are on individually.
Jan payroll £180,000
Apr payroll £213,000
My god

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£80,000 in 1899 payments (some were paying monthly)
£200,000 in season tickets
£140,000 in advertising and hospitality
£30,000 shirt sales 23/24
£180,000 in matchday profit between January and the end of April
£120,000 other director contributions.
£160,000 efl and league payments.
Pre season Friendlies barely covered re stocking costs

Where is all this money that I have taken. Where did it actually come from? The club had turned over in my tenure far less than a million and it’s easy to see more than double that going out. Without getting creative on things it’s glaringly obvious I paid out far more than what came in even if alot was left unpaid.

I inherited a club where losing had become a habit, it was riddled in debt with practically no stock, a massive wage bill, a failing academy that was sucking the life out of the club. I benefited nothing from most of the crowd coming to the games in the national league as the vast amount had bought season tickets before my time, I’ve attached the first game financial report against Bromley to show how little came in. I’ve also attached Aprils Gross payroll so you can see just one months wages. We made £28k, from Bromley, we had a Good Friday night game but the final 6 games the crowds dropped and Oldham with forced policing we actually lost money.
I also had the efl freeze parachute payments in May at £40,000 a month because of the info leaking about me. Monies that were budgeted for.

Keeping a football club running wasn’t just aged creditors either threatening court action from the day I walked in, it’s matchday security, away team coaches, data vests, medical supplies, scans, balls, insurances, players food, grass fertiliser and seed, portakabins and containers, vehicles, phones, internet, websites, ticketing systems, printers and player agents and much much more.

I stopped payments in July as my exit was all but confirmed. I couldn’t cope. My intentions were honourable but I had failed miserably and I’m completely to blame. Falling out with Swann was something that crippled me, lying about my past, interacting unprofessionally, getting rid of staff and trying to run the club 100 miles away all contributed to my downfall.

I lost a fortune I did not make a penny on the club. If anybody looks at the numbers I don’t even need to be believed. It’s there in front of you. My losses can be evidenced at seven figures. But the fact is the club is safe, it’s in good hands with a good playing squad,that is comfortably sustainable if the debt is eradicated. Infact the gross wage bill was at £130,000 per month when I left. A significant drop from January with a far better playing squad albeit far less staff on the non playing side.
I got the club out of many ridiculous contracts and made tough horrible decisions for the good of the club like losing the academy. The academy left the club in £200,000 debt alone.

In the end I was so desperate to get out as they were to get me out and the consortium were not interested and most refused to back it as the head of it refused to put any money of his own in. He preferred to travel 120 miles to do self promoting photo shoots at Jimmys hospital bedside and publishing them before he was back in his car. Whilst they were seeing me paying out they happily let me suffer, that’s why I stopped the finance. I publicised a move to Gainsborough and threw myself under the bus completely by banning some high profile supporters which I never would have done. It was all to show the the consortium I had out stayed my welcome and it wasn’t going to be yesterdays chip paper that everyone kept telling me it would so I stayed in a hostile environment funding it. I wanted them to think they had to step up or the club would go. (I never would have let the club go) I’m fortunate though that Michelle stepped up as the consortium didn’t. I walked away with substantial losses which she acknowledged and wished me well away from football as I made it clear Scunthorpe Utd would be my last club. I’m certain most will be happy about that but i will still hold on to the great things I achieved at Ilkeston even if I failed so miserably at Scunthorpe.

I shouldn’t have purchased Scunthorpe, The baggage I carried alone put the club at risk and even with the best intentions the trust was never going to be there. This only led to fractures within the club and poor decision making on my part with many innocent supporters undeservedly being put through the mill. My failings are well publicised and I accept all of that but who knows where the club would be now, maybe further ahead, maybe still in the national league or maybe a phoenix at step 11. But the facts are I lost a lot of money, I never held the club to ransom like Dale at Bury, I didn’t just let it go to anyone I made sure the new owner was someone capable and connected with the club at heart. I worked hard when I was there and intentions were honourable. I just got it wrong.
I am extremely sorry to anyone caught in the crossfire during extremely turbulent times I accept I failed because of me, my past, my actions and my decision making but it was far from a profit making venture.

I do however wish Scunthorpe United all the very best for the future and every success. I still watch their games with my boys.

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The tax bill was paid on time and in full until July upon which time I knew I was on borrowed time at the club and i let it fall into arrears. The only wage bill I missed was September because I knew I could never get it back and needed the consortium to step up.
No CCJs appeared prior to August because again I paid everything that was bought to my attention as urgent, right up until July when I knew I was heading for the exit. Apart from a few players I didn’t add any further debt to the club and didn’t agree any new contracts apart from Kelme.

So over £1.7m spent in January and the wages up until June 30th with the new 8 players included.
I spent £180,000 fighting Swann to stay in the stadium and securing land in the town which was ludicrous on both counts. I paid many many debts and running costs and the expenditure went well above £2.5m in only 7 months.
This is all easily evidenced.

Now let’s look at income.

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I’m not sure how it’s possible that a few supporters actually believe I made money on Scunthorpe United. I lost an absolute fortune and it’s all there in front of them.

The amount I paid to Hmrc in January was £191,000 winding up petition and £47,000 month 9 paye all in full, I’ve sent you the evidence.

I inherited a gross wage bill of £180,000 per month and yes I was left with £40,000 in the club when I took over but Januarys wage bill was to be paid 2 days later which took it all and required the rest from
Me. I was nearly £400,000 out of pocket within days of the takeover. I then funded 8 further players on top of the existing gross 180k payroll to try and stop the club being relegated.

If you just add up the wage bill until June the 30th which is when player contracts expired it’s 7 months of which I paid in full. £1,260,000 million plus the 8 new players including a fee for Danny Elliot.
If they hadn’t been paid like when I stopped in September you would have all heard about it instantly.

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I tried it will not allow me. Plus the items he attached I also cannot add on here for some reason.

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I have an email from Hilton with evidence of his losses and that he did pay the tax in January. A quite informative piece on the clubs finances. It won’t allow me to paste it here for some reason but il happily forward the email if somebody provides one.

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