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I will keep banging on about foreign owners Ferrite because they have brought the franchise mentality into our game bigtime. Wonder how many times the no relegation no promotion model has been floated by these owners to the Premier league over recent times?, indeed the late Phil Gartside wanted it applied when he was Bolton chairman back in the day. Take a look at what happened financially to Bolton and you can see why, being ring fenced by the Premier league’s wealth would have been right up the mismanagement street of his club. These foreign owners see promotion and relegation as a threat to future profits, whether their clubs have a poor season or not, no relegation means poorly run clubs get guaranteed money season after season. Without promotion or relegation the game is dead, where is the ambition, the desire to get better, to push a club on to improve? What about the fans?, yeah funny that, fans who were the reason our national game took off in the first place. Plus isn’t the magic of a European night against the likes of Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus etc all about the thrill of achieving a top four finish, in the hope you draw them in next season’s competition, not playing them twice a year regular as clockwork season after season, how is that special. This wants strangling at birth, it’s maybe posturing anyway to get more power in the current set up but either way either kick it into touch or fuck them all off. No mercy, the national structure of our game and it’s traditions are more under threat then ever with this greedy self indulgent bullshit.

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Absolutely Ferrite, as soon as the Premier league got the green light this was the next obvious step, the increase in foreign ownership doesn’t help, the interest in the history and tradition of our national game is lost on them. The game became professional because people wanted to pay to see decent football on a regular basis after a hard week at work. These people became known as fans as more clubs in more towns and cities set up and turned professional. The game was formed by the people for the people to enjoy and what a wonderful thing it became, all to be torn away now by people who don’t care about fans and tradition just MONEY MONEY MONEY. Abba were right all along. Let these clubs piss off and the rest of football disown them.

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IRONINTHEBLOOD

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Ironawe wrote:

I think we’ll finish 22nd which is just enough this season. I see nothing other than relegation next season.

This of course is before a single player has been released at the end of May or a single new player signed before next season, wonderful foresight. However I totally respect your right to an opinion. ( FFS I’m starting to sound like Buck’s ) 😂

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We will be ok guys, yeah it’s crap but we will have enough to stay up, keep the faith, take a chill pill.

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Guys correct me if i’m wrong but I presume none of you on here either played or trained professionally?,if not then the levels of fitness and expectancy levels on you all playing local league stuff is light years away from the professional game. Training methods are better now then back in the day but the game is much faster paced and certainly over 90 minutes the continued speed of the game over that period compared to 40 years back is considerable. Just saying, I relise the injuries and particlarly hamstring problems are many but I believe its to do with the speed levels expected of every player these days, hamstring injuries have always been the achilles heel ( pardon the pun ) of the quick player. The fact some of you played Saturday then Sunday after sustaining a knock the day before, be it a deadleg or a slight pull somewhere, is totally irrelevant when comparing like for like to what the professional game demands today when playing twice a week. The standards fitness wise and sustainability wise are massive now compared to 40 years back IMO.

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Lets be right about this, VanVeen became a lot more hard working and less sulky under Hurst, I always believe Hurst laid it on the line to VanVeen about what he wanted from him but fair play to the player for responding, maybe he realised he had to finally pull his finger out and graft and not rely on the bit of magic he sometimes produced that had his admirers salivating. Fair play to both parties for doing the right thing all round.

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Didn’t Cox reckon Eisa would be missing again? Whatever if Taft plays, which the way he spoke after the game he might be ok and with Bedeau finding some decent form then a point should be within our grasp. Personally I would take a point away from home all day long, it’s the home form and lack of intent to get forward and make chances that is disappointing but a point tonight would do me.

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Big J wrote:

Well done the EFL for showing respect to our great Royal Family and this country. It’s an absolute bloody disgrace that the Premier League have not followed suit! Those pampered prima donna brats could learn a thing or two from the humility of Philip and others who have given this country their all in wartime and peacetime! They are probably run by the same kind of libtard who infects this forum and hate this country! They show more respect to BLM Marxists and race baiters over our Royalty!

What a sad person you are, trying to turn a thread being amicably discussed into an attempt to whip up hatred, you shoud be ashamed of youself.

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Awaywego wrote:

Forest green sack the manager with Scunny next game up and having not won in 6, he must be gutted.

Maybe he head butted the Chairman after watching that dopey twat in a black and white shirt at the weekend. 😂😂😂

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Makes you wonder who chose the time and day?
Given they could have had any day, any time?

…. all you had to do alcy was add, any place, anywhere and we could all have drunk a Martini on Saturday. 😜

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Unfortunately it’s the lot of the small town club which occurs at many clubs like ours up and down the land, it’s also the reason why we operate most of the time between leagues 1 & 2 with the odd Championship flirtation. No doubt some bright spark will come on and say we should match any offer from Celtic to show our true ambition, then later on start moaning about the debt we find ourselves in.

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Completely agree with you Ferrite, totally unnecessary but unfortunately our moral compass is dictated to us by the people in authority of the EFL or maybe it’s through government insistence, either way we shall probably never be fully told who requires this but it’s not for me. Freedom of choice, really!!!!

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As far as the debt is concerned the best we can hope for is for Mr Swann to leave us debt free when he eventually decides he’s had enough. This is a big ask but if he recognises that it’s been his ambition and his business model that has put us in this debt then you would think any genuine person would hold his hands up, take it on the chin and sort this out properly before walking away. You only have to look down the M180 and see the response of fans to a chairman who appears to be insisting that every penny of his own money he put into GTFC is paid back before any deal with new owners is fully processed. Some business men are good honest genuine sorts, some are not, we will have to just sit back and wait to see which way Mr Swann eventually jumps.

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I reckon UTI and Awaywego haven’t got a decent wet stone between them. 😂

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Well les if you are going to say we should have offered him something sooner I would suggest Dawson senior, a wily old former player who is still involved professionally in the game at a reasonably high level, would have said, ” just wait and see son something bigger and better may come along for you “. Also I’m sure Andy and his lad will have had plenty of input from other people in the game that things were going to probably take off for Joey in a bigger way if he continued his progress. Why not wait, go to a bigger set up with better coaches and more money in your back pocket as a result. The old no brainer really.

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Instead of a minutes silence tomorrow due to today’s news, the players should take the knee for a full minute just to remind everyone that racism is very much alive and should be challenged strongly whenever it rears it’s ugly head. Tranmere to win 2-0, we aren’t good enough end of.

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Whitton Iron if you’re out there Mr Cox has an open invitation for you to see him at the ground. Social distanced of course.

Why is he going to kick shit out of him for not buying another season ticket? Orders from above no doubt. 😂

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12 players injured, bit ambiguous, are they all injured long term and won’t kick another ball this season or are some only a week or ten days away from being fit. After the stop start type of season we have endured with games coming thick and fast Saturday/ Tuesday for a long period, I don’t think 6 first team players injured is that unusual or just applicable to us. The fact other teams in our league have more better, experienced players in their first team squads to help cover 6 first team injuries is probably why we struggle in games more than them. After all haven’t a lot of fans said this season if we can put our best eleven out on a regular basis we are more than a match for most teams in league 2, the fact our cover isn’t good enough when we can’t probably explains our season in a nutshell.

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Lets be right the Chairman has scored quite a few PR own goals in his time at GP, from promising the earth ground wise, promotion wise , to stopping fans bringing a drink into the ground particularly during winter, moaning that fans have food and drink outlets to use, instead which in reality are poorly stocked, poorly run and understaffed to the point of being 6th in the queue at halftime and still not getting served before the 2nd half kicks off. He throws in the odd ” blame me I can take it ” routine during some interviews but its not convincing and in reality its everyone elses fault but his. Listen Mr Chairman, you are in charge and the buck does stop with you, same as 127,000 Covid deaths stops at Johnsons door, thats the reality of being top dog, glory when or if it goes right and an arse kicking if it doesn’t.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

I’d laugh briefly if Grimsby went out the league again but be disappointed that we’d lost a local derby and our biggest rivals, and the revenue.

This was my point DM but Awaywego got all statistical about it regarding results and points in a comparison with Torquay, as usual missing the big point once again. 🙄

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127,000 deaths? Aye ok
127,000 Covid deaths? Nope.
And no flu deaths this year? You are having a laugh.

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So social distancing, wearing a mask and not mixing in large groups just helps keep Covid deaths down then alcy?, just remind everyone again how flu is spread? 🤔 DAH.

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Good points by alcy but as you say DM the media led bit doesn’t ring true for me. It wasn’t the media causing over 127,000 covid deaths but a reluctance by the blonde fat scarecrow to get his arse in gear sooner and actually listen to scietific advice which he has done in later months. All the media did was report it. The truth hurts sometimes.

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As i stated on another thread alcy, local derbies bring in extra revenue all small clubs need, would rather play the Cods twice a season then Torquay for obvious reasons. We all like to beat our nearest rivals and rub it in a bit but if clubs like ours are to survive we need our nearest local sides competing in the same division as us on a regular basis. Despite us and Grimsby having spells in the Championship over recent seasons we still have a long history of competing against each over a decent length of time in our histories to suggest what we both enjoy and both need to remain viable.

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With our budget limits now set a lot lower then when the Chairman first arrived then whatever we have offered Gilliead, even our best offer under difficult circumstances, won’t be anything what a club like Ipswich can offer. When he looks around their ground, set up and overall history compared to ours then that will be another contributing factor. He’s a typical player we have on our books, bring on and improve then let go to bigger and better things, it’s just life in the lower leagues, you all should be aware by now so stop talking bollocks alcy.

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As Yoda would say ” surprised are we not ” too good for us and league two.

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I bet Barrie Thomas from Winterton Iron can remember Jack playing in the Leeds team at Elland Road that got stuffed 4-1 by the Iron back in day. Come on Barrie refresh our memories.

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…. wheras on the Cods forum it’s completely the opposite from, shit traitorous chairman, shit manager, shit tactics, shit players, no heart no passion, planning routes to non league grounds next season, worst team ever, deserve to go down, fans deserve better. Then, new board taking over, new optimism, new ground, new town regeneration plan, we will be back better then ever etc etc. Phew it’s a real bag of fans bollocks on the fishy forum but then again they are DOOMED and that’s the reason it’s busy.

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The Cods scenario is interesting, we all give them stick as local rivals and vice versa but it’s in our financial interests for them to stay up. Any promoted side from the National League we play at home next season will provide slim pickings financially compared to playing the Cods, I presume we will be allowed back in next season to watch.

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vader wrote:

Karma !

More like Krappa, Southends manager is full of it.💩

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Yep I will settle for your assessment fi, also worth a mention if Barrow beat our local rivals tonight then the Cods will be well and truly GUTTED and FILLETED although I suspect they are already down.

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