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  • in reply to: Land Acquired #262800
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    He actually stated he was employed by Britannia Law as a debt collector.

    He did not enjoy the job and felt increasingly uncomfortable with their practices which whilst legal he felt were morally questionable. Left the company after 9 or 10 months if my memory serves me correctly. Also said this was when he was about 25.

    He denied knowing any Nottingham crime syndicates and has never been involved in drug dealing or money laundering.

    He admitted to having changed his name once (from White to Hilton) for what he said were family reasons and has not gone under any other names.

    He stated he is not a property developer, he buys and sells land. He specialises in problematic land either with covenants or waste issues, sorts out the issues then gets planning permission and sells on.

    Usually does this as a sole trader but occasionally with partners. He explained his companies without trading histories as companies created to buy specific plots of land but where he was unsuccessful at the auction stage. He has some history of conflict with councils over planning but claimed that was an inevitable factor of the business he is in.

    Other than that he cracked 3 or 4 jokes at the former owners expense which obviously were going to be well received with an audience of 200 Iron fans.

    Whether you liked or indeed believe his answers he did not duck any questions and actively encouraged them. He also said he was happy to answer questions from Iron fans at any time going forward.

    Thank you, MK.

    Shakes head in disbelief.

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    Exactly this.
    It’s Hilton who stated Swann wants us out.
    Hilton spent most of his time at the forum bad mouthing Swann, it showed his lack of class.

    I understand Hilton talked a little bit about his past.

    Are you in a position to disclose the parts which he was comfortable discussing?

    Most of accusations were swiftly brushed aside as not true.

    The only point he did go into was the telemarketing with Brittania Law. He stated he was collecting bad debts on their behalf and was not proud of the work. He also stated that the company operated within a grey area of the law.

    Just to clarify, he refuted all what’s been said with the exception of Britannia Law?

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    Exactly this.
    It’s Hilton who stated Swann wants us out.
    Hilton spent most of his time at the forum bad mouthing Swann, it showed his lack of class.

    I understand Hilton talked a little bit about his past.

    Are you in a position to disclose the parts which he was comfortable discussing?

    Most of accusations were swiftly brushed aside as not true.

    The only point he did go into was the telemarketing with Brittania Law. He stated he was collecting bad debts on their behalf and was not proud of the work. He also stated that the company operated within a grey area of the law.

    Thank you.

    Interesting!

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    Exactly this.
    It’s Hilton who stated Swann wants us out.
    Hilton spent most of his time at the forum bad mouthing Swann, it showed his lack of class.

    I understand Hilton talked a little bit about his past.

    Are you in a position to disclose the parts which he was comfortable discussing?

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    Unless you are aware of the conditions associated with the share transfer, you can’t say that with any degree of certainty. As I said earlier, unless Peter Swann and his advisors had a bad day at the office there will almost certainly be conditions attached to the initial transfer. Seeing as the main aspect of the deal has gone pear shaped, neither of us will have to wait long to find out who is right.

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    Regardless what happens from now on, Peter Swann will be remembered for systematically ruining this football club and delivering the most miserable and toxic atmosphere we could have imagined.

    On a micro level he is arrogant and fundamentally had no respect for the club or people associated with it. Speak to people like John Staff about their experiences with him.

    You clearly have a vendetta against Hilton Interested Bystander and you may well be proved correct, if you are then that will be another promise Swann has broken because he stated we would be left in safe hands.

    I hear you, I really do.

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    in reply to: Land Acquired #262750
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    Why would Swann want the club back IB?

    He has the assets without the burden of the club bills.

    Disposing of the club, stadium and surrounding land as one complete package will have meant an easier and cleaner exit for him. As things stand now, he either challenges Hilton over the sale or he bites the bullet and waits for the club to exit GP which will take years before he can do anything.

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    Didn’t notice the wording but I’m sure he did say he’d paid hmrc in full when he first took over.

    02/04/23 (https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/april/-player-an-update-from-david-hilton/) from 7mins 20sec.

    £192K paid to HMRC straight away.

    3 x £58K payments to HMRC (This will be PAYE & NI).

    £40K VAT Return.

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    Swann spoke well, but none of his promises materialised, was full of excuses for failure and rather touchy with criticism. He wasn’t afraid to use the legal system for dealing with fans and journalists. By the end our relationship with local journalists was at rock bottom, with them being refused access to Glanford Park.

    I am not going to go into a ramble, but I think his failure was due to incompetence and ego over anything truly sinister. Some may disagree, but I think he thought he could deliver far more than he could achieve with his ability. He is a known gambling addict (now) and took that approach with us. You won’t get many coming to his defence for this reason; he gambled our future for a pipe dream. This for me makes him a bad owner and he didn’t prioritise our existence over his own high opinion of his capabilities and dreams. Plus, there was a lot of nepotism, with family members dominating the board room, including having his son as chief scout.

    I doubt the IB lads will go for another Swann interview. They got enough hassle from some for not being critical of Swann enough, so will probably not bother for this reason alone.

    I’m certainly in no position to challenge any of that.

    Like I said, unless Peter Swann and his advisors had a bad day at the office, he’s in the driving seat now. If one doesn’t already exist, opening up a line of communication with him would be a good starting point in my opinion. Whether that be the Trust Committee, the Iron Bru lads, another prominent supporter group or David Burns.

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    Yesterday I listened to the podcast which Iron Bru did with Peter Swann. I know he was unpopular with your fanbase and you couldn’t wait to see the back of him, but I thought he spoke very well. He’s certainly a different operator to Hilton.

    As I see it, Swann’s biggest mistake to date is doing a deal with Hilton and I suspect by now, he knows it. That said, Swann’s in the driving seat now because of how events have unfolded. Unless Swann and his advisors have had a bad day at the office, I can’t image that he would have transferred his shares in Scunthorpe United FC without there being a clause in the sale agreement which states that Hilton must complete on the purchase of the freehold otherwise the shares revert back to the seller.

    Is the relationship between Matt Ellis, Matt Blanchard & Peter Swann still a cordial one and if it is, I would be interested to hear how Swann intends on moving this forward.

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    It is my understanding that a deal has been agreed with the football club for the land. However, as of this morning, it is still owned by Onward Holdings Ltd.

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    A common theme is that the perpetrators all claim to be friends with David…

    Do you really think for one minute if they we’re friends with Hilton that they would own up and say it’s them that’s behind all this ?Whoever it is behind this is only saying that from these accounts to cause instability.

    Only 3 groups of people it could be, Section of cod fans up to no good, Bury fans carrying a grudge from when Hilton tried to buy them or it could be something to do with Swann potentially being an arse hole.

    I can’t begin to imagine why an actual SUFC would be behind it.

    If you spend time on social media looking at historic posts and screenshots, Bury fans were subjected to abuse and threats too.

    I will reiterate what I said a few weeks ago, if any of your supporters are being abused or receiving threats on social media, screenshot them and contact one of the Football Liaison Officers at Humberside Police.

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    The Signs are down on the plots of land.
    Stolen by a little scrote or put up without permission on land that isn’t his by a little scrote?

    The club have permission from the land owner to put the signs up.

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    Old links already posted, no need to keep repeating them. How does unregistered land attempting to be sold sit with you ?

    I have absolutely no interest in Peter Swann. Besides, he had no influence over the three points which I referred to in my earlier post.

    In terms of the land issues which were raised in the club’s press release, go and speak with a solicitor specialising in land and commercial property transactions or a licensed conveyancer and let us all know how big a deal the issues are to resolve because at the minute you are solely relying on one interpretation.

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    It’s alright to put a sign up saying land acquired by Scunthorpe United FC but it isn’t acquired until its paid for and signed up. As we know a price and deal agreed means nothing until its signed and paid for. Let’s be honest our Club is in a right mess at present and many of us supporters don’t trust Swann or Hilton. Neither are on speaking terms and it appears to me they could be playing one another. If Hilton has the money surely it would have made sense to pay Swann and then the stadium and land would be secured. If Hilton doesn’t have the money then how will he pay Onward Holdings for their land and also the other company for the mysterious land supposedly for the training pitch. The man must be nearly a billionaire or its pie in the sky.

    Call me old fashioned but I bat with a straight bat. I’m big on detail and if I say that I am going to do something, I do it. If I state something is fact, it needs to be just that. That’s how you build trust.

    For all those who are prepared to take Hilton at face value and are willing to place your trust in him as he has requested, how do the following points sit with you?

    1) 25/01/23 – Mr Hilton said: “I’m pleased to say the takeover has now been completed, and the deal includes the football club, stadium and surrounding land.” – https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement/

    2) 02/04/23 – Accounts will be filed W/C 03/04/23. Still not filed – https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/april/-player-an-update-from-david-hilton/

    3) 18/05/23 – “The two recently acquired sites at Warren Road and Glebe Road were then discussed and Mr Hilton confirmed that, subject to the relevant planning consents, a new stadium will be erected and hopefully completed in time for the start of the 2025-26 season.” – https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-fans-forum/

    As of this morning (19/05/23), the land is still owned by Onward Holdings Ltd.

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    It is my understanding that a deal has been agreed with the football club for the land. However, as of this morning, it is still owned by Onward Holdings Ltd.

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    Interview with Rob Waltham – https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fp4kw8

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    All this criticism about the forum. I didn’t hear it last night by those that were there. I heard plenty of applause. Perhaps all those present are naive or didn’t have the courage to speak and be so negative. Maybe we’re all idiots and the intelligent critics didn’t attend.

    If it was that much of a success, a wider audience would have proved fitting…

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    Fools sit there watching people doing well in life and just complain and make stories up where their wealth came from.

    Listened to one individual before the forum whom the ought he was the font of all knowledge. Just ludicrous the rumours he had.

    Who’s making up stories? I have two rules. Firstly, only comment on what information is available in the public domain and secondly, don’t release or comment on information which is not in the public domain. To date, I have not broken the second rule.

    Hilton was announced as the club’s new owner at the end of January and less than 6 weeks ago, Hilton was singing Peter Swann’s praises in a podcast with the Iron Army. In the same podcast he acknowledged the ransom strip and said supporters didn’t have anything to worry about in respect to the deal for the stadium and land being completed.

    It would appear that in the space of less than 6 weeks, with the deadline approaching, Peter Swann has gone from being an accommodating vendor to now not being on speaking terms with the buyer, according to Hilton.

    Make up your own mind.

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    Trouble and conflict has a habit of following people about, and history tends to repeat itself.

    For those wanting to ignore history, do so at your peril.

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    ‘In the short term, he hopes we remain at Glanford park. This is where it gets confusing and to be honest I can’t explain it well; he is sub letting the ground from himself’

    Very confusing. How can a tenant sub-let to himself; a place he doesn’t even own? Makes no sense. Unless there are examples of it happening elsewhere?

    It sounds like some rent to rent scheme (an individual agrees to rent a property for an amount and then re-lets it at a higher price). Obviously he can only do that with the permission of the freeholder.

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    It’s about time your local press started earning their money. Right at the top of my list of people to contact this morning would be Peter Swann, then the owner (former) of the two strips of land which Hilton claims to have completed on and finally, Rod Langham at Stoneygate 2007 Ltd.

    There is one positive from Hilton doing the fans’ forum last night, more people are starting to question him and what he says.

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    Talk about laugh out loud.

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    Swann has caused the issues but SUFC can still play at GP next season ?

    Wait until you hear the reasons for the blackout.

    You couldn’t make this up. Well actually someone is.

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    That was a post WG not a response to being asked a question

    If you look at the aerial image of the sites, look bottom right and notice the initials.

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    Given the club’s obvious reluctance to broadcast tonight’s fans’ forum to a wider audience, can I suggest at least one person records the audio on their phone so at least there will be a record of what is said and by who.

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    How will this all unravel?

    1) 25/01/23 – https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement/ (“Mr Hilton said: “I’m pleased to say the takeover has now been completed, and the deal includes the football club, stadium and surrounding land.”).

    2) 07/04/23 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmPr9RIiKyA (Hilton confident a deal for GP and surrounding land will be done).

    I would be highly surprised if Peter Swann had sold his shareholding in Scunthorpe United FC without there being a clause within the sale agreement stating that Hilton must either purchase the freehold (stadium, land and naming rights) or at the very least, commit to a long term lease. Assuming I am right, I think the ball is well and truly back in Swann’s court now.

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    It might be worthwhile recording the audio on your phone.

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    I don’t expect a stadium to be built there InterstedBystander

    The fact we’ve erected 2 big shiny signs on the fence today suggests it’s a negotiating tactic to bring Swann back to the table.

    If Swann calls Hilton’s bluff in 2 weeks time, this could get messy

    I agree. As I said earlier, Hilton’s flexing.

    A question for tomorrow night- Who have you acquired the land from, what is the title number for both parcels of land and when was the transaction completed?

    What are your thoughts on Simon Elliott acting as Hilton’s mouthpiece? I have warned against this previously, pointing out that both the club and Hilton have a voice.

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    yes it was a quarry and then land fill

    Thank you.

    So the Glebe plot is this bit of land – https://yorkshirewarehousing.com/residential-development-land-scunthorpe and the second parcel – https://yorkshirewarehousing.com/industrial-development-land-scunthorpe