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There has been a lot of things said on social media in the past weeks which have no doubt concerned some @SUFCOfficial fans. I reached out to David Hilton to see if he was available for a chat, he gave me a few moments of his time to answer some questions..
— AB (@YorkyIron) May 31, 2023
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I did raise a smile at the suggestion of there being an informant within the group. Divide and rule, the oldest trick in the book.
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I’m just catching up on last night’s game of Guess Who.
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Was ‘shrugging off’ the fact that my ‘IB moniker’ post was apparently censored ..but 24 hours on it rankles. You obviously saw it Deerey ..as did IA .. what do you both think? I know that you sit in different positions re David Hilton, the speculation around him and why IB has become so prominent and persistent. But I’m really puzzled as to why …beyond a techno glitch ..that post was taken out. You both know how borderline obsessive I am re keeping it civil and having respectful discourse ..so have you any thoughts on this?
From my perspective I stepped in to point out that a bystander is usually an observer and not engaged in influencing ..especially in a highly committed and persistent manner. So I was probing to get a bit more explanation/ccountability from IB. Seems fair enough to me … especially since his own stated position is to get us to hold David Hilton to scrutiny and accountability.I’m not sure why your post was pulled, I certainly wasn’t offended by it. Although it did leave me wondering why you have more interest in me than the general message.
I joined this forum in early April and not once have I insulted any member on here or shown disrespect for the moderators by posting or commenting on information which is not in the public domain. The same applies to your club and staff. My thrill comes from due diligence, investigation and being proved correct, not by insulting those who are involved for the right reasons.
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I agree, Deerey. I am no fan of the “carry on clapping” or snide remarks about Elliott or whoever. I see BadApple is making comments about Elliott just wanting to worm his way in with the owner at the time. However, a lot of the fuss comes when someone raises a concern or question and gets derided and insulted. There will always be division if those wanting to back Hilton more strongly resort to this when dealing with critics.
I am not going to cast negative assertions on those wanting to back Hilton and hope for the best. In return I expect to not be slammed and judged for raising a question about Hilton. Ultimately, most want to succeed and if the ground issues are sorted in Hilton’s favour and all other concerns amount to nothing, then great. However, I am not willing to turn off critical faculties and refrain from questioning where I see fit, because it makes life easier. That would just be kicking the can down the road and ignoring a potentially damaging situation to make short term happiness when long term problems may prevail.
For fan unity, I think all need to realise that those backing Hilton and those with questions want the club to succeed, so we all need to reflect on how we interact with other fans. Not just Hilton critics, because Hilton backers too, since some of them seem to instigate the tension. This club matters way more than Hilton’s ego. We should be prepared to stand for it, no matter who is at fault for the ground situation. Interested Bystander is right when he talks of means of doing something for the club with engagement across fans. This can work with the owner when needs be, but if something goes wrong there can be a stand, especially if media contacts are made and the situation can be brought to light. It might not do anything, but trying something is more likely to succeed than pity.
Well said.
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Simon,
For a man who has tangible and considerable net assets (see what I did there)Yes, I see what you did! You changed from trying to discredit our new owner to trying to discredit a widely respected supporter. Who’s next?
My opening remark which you have kindly quoted was me doffing my hat to Simon. In a World populated with fantasists and bull hitters, it’s nice to see someone who has had a traceable career and has significant net assets to prove it. Quite the contrast.
As for those defending Simon because of what he’s done for the club, I have no problems with that but you are basing your opinion of him on how he has dealt with historical matters so please don’t have the audacity to tell me that history doesn’t matter when I express my concerns regarding Hilton. The sheer hypocrisy is staggering.
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I’m a football supporter and my club has suffered in a similar fashion to yours. I have a wider interest in mismanagement/corruption in football and some of the characters who are attracted to the same.
The Scunthorpe situation was brought to my attention after an acquaintance sent me a link to the interview Hilton did at the beginning of April and I was asked for my opinion and observations which I duly provided after some research and checks.
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RoamingBull,
If I was in your position, I would be calling a meeting of prominent supporters to agree a way forward. The sooner a journalist takes an interest in your situation, the better. Personally, I would be approaching Matt Barlow (Frank’s son) at the Mail or Tom Farmery (Ex Mail Journo & Grimsby fan) for some advice. Both might take it on for obvious reasons or they might put you in contact with an investigative journalist.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if David Conn is keeping an eye on developments too.
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IB … that’s alot of info for you to research and then post. You are highly motivated ..I just can’t be bothered to do anything but wait.
You should be. It’s your club.
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