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According to Hilton’s comments on Facebook only a couple have requested refunds and he will be calling 1899 members next week!
Hull City Council own the MKM stadium lock stock and barrel. Russell Bartlett, previous owner, used the lease on it to get a £3.4m loan from RBS which he shuffled around holding companies, as well as paying himself a million quid in wages. Easy peasy when you’re a property developer!
The question is: does Hilton own a lease on GP, at this stage?
Given the uproar on here when I dared to suggest that I felt that the Safety Advisory Group were not in a position to grant a safety licence for GP given to dispute over the freehold, I am surprised there hasn’t been a queue of people lined up to answer your question. How does Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd arrange for public and employer’s liability cover if they have no legal right to be at GP?
Could always try getting a mortgage on the lease of GP. He wouldn’t be the first football club owner to actually do it.
Except he doesn’t own GP.
Hull City Council own the MKM stadium lock stock and barrel. Russell Bartlett, previous owner, used the lease on it to get a £3.4m loan from RBS which he shuffled around holding companies, as well as paying himself a million quid in wages. Easy peasy when you’re a property developer!
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Another wrong ‘un who ended up a bankrupt and in prison for his conduct.
Depends on his ability to borrow 64.
His ability to borrow, why does he need to do that :-P? Besides, he was putting *his* money into the club via gifts and share capital, not loans.
I’ve never been a big fan of the flash no cash brigade. Being leveraged up to within an inch of your life is not a good look especially if you make a habit of losing the shirt on your back.
There is a difference between being sceptical and a difference between choosing to act like Interested Bystander. I say as I’ve said before, he’s not even a Scunthorpe United fan. In my opinion he’s nothing more than shit stirrer who like to cause disruption and division
Iron insider is a cut from the same cloth. I get people are wary of Hilton, you’re right to. I can’t say I’m comfortable in trusting and being as heavily reliant on one man but just give him a chance.
No doubt he could be rotten but he also could be good for us. Case of watch this space !
Your problem with me is that I don’t sing the baseless tune that you keep humming, whereas if I was on here blowing hot air up Hilton’s posterior without any foundation whatsoever, you would be clapping like the proverbial sealion. There lies the problem and highlights the difference between me and you, I deal in facts whereas you’re gambling and hoping.
This is why I don’t feel that I can remain on this forum anymore. It’s feckin depressing.
It’s probably for the best because quite clearly you are having problems transitioning from Facebook to IronBru. If you do decide to return at a later date your user-experience will improve considerably if you use both hands when typing, it’s not like Facebook.
He is not Ellis, I am.
This place has turned into a complete shite fest. I honestly feel sorry for SST having to suffer some of the idiots on here, especially one of his pet mods.
The prophecies of doom, the negativity about all things Iron, the allowing of literal stalking of our new chairman. It used to be so good once, shame innit?
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Why do you feel sorry for SST? He knows where the delete button is just like his moderators do. If there is a post or a subject he feels is not in the interest of the club or it risks his livelihood, posts and topics would be deleted without any hesitation. From some of the cached Google results, posts by one-time members have clearly been deleted. Besides, privately he might concede that others are better placed than him to comment on certain subjects.I have seen hardly any criticism of the club and the majority of its employees on here. As for the stalking of your chairman, do me a favour. He’s his own worst enemy when it comes to drawing attention and in fairness to him he must recognise this given the lack of on & off camera interviews that he’s done since being involved with both Ilkeston and Scunthorpe. Like I’ve said before, he can’t rewrite history.
If I told you who I felt sorry for it would only result in a load of name-calling and comments regarding my well being, so I won’t bother.
Come on wondergoals, AA has said enough about affairs of the Iron and Scunny in general to assuage the most dedicated of doubters. As for this:
‘Wasn’t he/it the same poster who told us about that daft hit piece regarding Hilton on the code fishy forum to read that stupid article about Hilton insinuating he was some kind of criminal mastermind/gangland boss ?’
Before AA signposted to that article and attachment on The Fishy, I and I suspect numerous others on here had already seen it and were anticipating some sort of mention or reference to it on Bru. AA was just the first to do it.
AA is seriously underrated by a lot of members on here. He’s subtle and should post a lot more.
If I recall correctly he mentioned Carl Fellstrom and his book – Hoods: The Gangs of Nottingham, A Study in Organised Crime. Chapter 12 caught my eye, especially the mention of the pawnbrokers.
On the subject of football being played at GP next season, I would be extremely surprised if the Safety Advisory Group were in any position to grant a safety licence for the stadium given the obvious dispute.
Lol, ‘pees’. Intentional?
I’ve been genning up on some of the more recent slang to grip society. Today took me to Hucknall and Kirkby In Ashfield of all places. Financial haircuts, repossessions and a bankrupt were all on the agenda.
I’d like to know where the money’s coming from but no doubt I’d be called ungrateful if I asked.
It’s a valid question. Indeed, where are Hilton’s pees coming from?
The rhetoric is that his pockets are that deep he’s put £3M into Ilkeston and he’s already put £1.7M into Scunny which is likely to increase to £2.5M by the start of the new campaign. I’m struggling to reconcile this with Ilkeston’s accounts as well as the funding of his own business where long term debt (mostly secured loans provided by third party funders) totals £2.48M against total assets of £2.03M resulting in a £450K deficit on their balance sheet and that was before the lenders came knocking so what state the balance sheet is in now is anyone’s guess. Finally, his home which he purchased for £495K on 18/06/21, there’s a registered charge on the property dated 18/06/21 in favour of National Westminster Bank Plc.
A bit of old and new information there just to keep the locals happy!
It’s him. I can tell that by who has liked some of his previous posts.
https://twitter.com/Ironarmyhd/status/1666019654685319169?s=20
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Looks like it is Awayswego.
Appears that Swann has left more debts than we first feared; creditors crawling out the woodwork now demanding money.
It’s Not is necessarily Hilton’s fault, but taking to social media won’t be doing anyone any favours.
Cliff,
1) On 25/01/23 it was announced by the club that Hilton was the new owner.
2) 07/04/23 – Listen from 53min 37secs, Hilton commented on the financial position he inherited – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmPr9RIiKyA.
3) From Hilton becoming the owner and him doing the interview with IronArmy in April, suppliers to the club will have sent a statement of account to the club at the end of January, February and March. A purchase ledger controller will reconcile the supplier’s statement against the club’s records. Are we saying that none of these creditors sent a statement of account to the club at the end of January, February and March and only crawled out of the woodwork after the IronArmy podcast in early April?
What’s that I smell?
The new owner clearly expects you to be viewing Twitter I-A. Get with the programme mate. I’m sure LK would concur ‘your club needs you!’ 🤣
Unfortunately just don’t try to look at the twitter account that “reached out” to Hilton for the latest update….
By coincidence Hilton has posted on the Scunthorpe United Fans Group page this afternoon with his usual spiel.
June 5, 2023 at 9:41 pm in reply to: Is There Any Proof That There Are Swann Mouthpieces on This Site? #263847There has to be someone watching and reporting to The EGO.
The proof [- how many people in the past suffered Solicitors Letters regarding comments on the forum ?
That is why people should watch what they say. If you don’t have documentary evidence to back up your statement then please be wary.
I think you’ll find the internet has even reached places like Retford!
I see his mate has started asking difficult questions now –
https://twitter.com/Ironarmyhd/status/1665729010813267970?s=20
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I don’t even know how they would regulate it tbh .
This fit and proper person test and proof of funds model obviously is not fit for purpose .Just look at Wigan – taken over and then not paying staff or player wages a few months later then getting points deducted ,which I am not sure is really a suitable punishment when it’s not changing people not getting paid or particularly punishing the owner .
I am not sure what the answer is .
As you say, the Owners’ & Directors’ Test is an absolute farce. You could be a discharged bankrupt, have been subject previously to a banning order preventing you from being a director of a company and have a list of spent convictions as long as your arm and you would still pass it. That’s how committed the FA are to cleaning up the game. The further down the pyramid you go, it’s a self certification exercise.
Of course it’s all too easy to point the finger at the FA, but outgoing owners and the board of directors at clubs have a massive part to play by ensuring their clubs don’t get passed on to crooks because that’s what good people and good custodians do. There is absolute no excuse if a club ends up in the wrong hands.
I would like to see club owners having to register a personal bond with League equivalent to perhaps 35%-50% of a club’s turnover. This will be held in trust and if required, used by the League if they ever need to step in to ensure creditors are paid. This upfront obstacle would put off a lot of the flash, no cash brigade and at the end of an owner’s tenure the bond would be refunded back to them.
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They’ve agreed a deal with Gainsborough but I was told last night that it hasn’t been rubber stamped by the league yet. An interesting week ahead with the NL AGM looming next weekend.
Yet – https://twitter.com/YorkyIron/status/1663940387952549888?s=19
Playing at another ground will have a massive impact on sponsorship and advertising revenue as it will be essentially none existent not to mention pay on the day gate receipts.
I’m surprised the possibility of a ground share has been met with such optimism because the financial implications are considerable.
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I do agree with the sentiment with MK though, if IB has any new information or anything relevant to the football club, by all means go ahead and post. At the moment he is coming across as desperate to nail something to Hilton when it’s the same stuff getting recycled and questioning everything to the Nth degree. If you know anything substantial- post it in laymen terms.
Evening Cliff,
I can assure you I’m not desperate in any way, shape, or form. Hilton is what he is and neither of us can rewrite history.
My post last night was new information, you had no idea the title of those properties had passed to the lender.
Deery as I suspect you know I was having a light hearted dig at the insider/bystander duo. They may have absolutely valid points but constantly repeating them behind a cloak of anonymity is not really helping anyone. They do also have thinly disguised agendas against Hilton.
Remember when we used to have a bit of a laugh about things on here.
Of course you have valid concerns as do I and I suspect every other Iron fan does. We are set to play in a part time regional football league and have not owned our ground for more than 2 years so we have plenty to worry about.
Our fate lies in the hands of one man although that has been the case for many years – be their surname Wharton, Swann or Hilton.
The current owner will either prove to be smarter than Swann or not. Such a low bar that I am hopeful he is. He will prove to be truthful and well intentioned or not. History suggests the Wharton’s pretty much were and Peter Swann pretty much wasn’t.
Time will tell but not an awful lot we can do about it.
Evening MK,
Go on, seeing as it’s Friday evening I’ll take the bait. Do elaborate on these thinly disguised agendas, let’s hear your pearls of wisdom.
When it comes to agendas, there are none more obvious than the one enamating from those who hang on Hilton’s every word. It’s got to be an agenda or some sort of cult because surely no one is that naive and stupid, are they?
Can anyone explain to me why Hilton is apparently leaking information out via some fan’s twitter account and not making proper public statements?
Putting to one side the obvious reason, Hilton’s also using people with more kudos within the fanbase than him to communicate the narrative.
I hope Andy and others know where the record button is to ensure they have a copy of what’s been said.
June 2, 2023 at 10:52 am in reply to: david pay day was yesterday why are staff still waiting for their money? #263614six months of pension payments due
a mountain of unpaid bills
bins overflowing because he hasnt paid the company lol
still cannot pay staff wages on time
you are a ruddy joke hilltonConsidering that he claims to have put £3M into Ilkeston (their balance sheet doesn’t reconcile with this statement) and he’s supposedly already into 7-figures here, I have raised the subject on here of his net worth and what people consider it to be and nobody wants to have a stab at it!
Our income from January would barely cover half of the expenditure. That’s including season ticket for next year and the 1899 memberships and not taking into account VAT.
If we take your word and imply he is using this additional income to meet the costs, it’s still hundreds of thousands- probably over a million- of external investment being used to keep the club afloat.
Like I said, it reads like he’s personally paying every expense when that’s not the case. Since Hilton became owner there has been income from 9 home games, 23/24 season ticket sales, 1899 sales, EFL disbursements, etc.
As for VAT, I’m not sure why he mentioned it because it’s not a cost to the business.
Even if something is known privately, I will never release information which is not in the public domain. The more contentious the subject, the longer it takes and becomes more difficult. You know what the end result looks like, it’s just about identifying and piecing together the information.
A BRIEF RECAP:
– Stoneygate 2007 Ltd, a company controlled by a Rod Langham has provided finance to Maxwell Cohen Ltd in the form of secured loans.
12/11/18 – £941,176.47 – Charge code 114373400001 – Relates to North West side of Bramcote Drive, Beeston Nottingham.
20/12/18 – £500,000.00 – Charge code 11437340002 – Relates to land adjoining 64 Woodchurch Road, Arnold, Nottingham.
31/08/19 – £304,350.00 – Charge code 11437300004 – Relates to Manor Arms, Main Street, Elton on the Hill, Nottinghamshire.
18/09/19 – £377,906.97 – Charge code 11437300005 – Relates to The Bridge Inn, Bridge Street, Ilkeston, Derbyshire.
– The accounts for Stoneygate 2007 Ltd (year end 31/08/20) – Going Concern Basis:
“A significant default on advances made in the year has come to the attention of the board of directors. Lawyers have been instructed (on a no win/no fee basis) to take recovery action and protect the company’s position insofar as possible given the damage already done; further a claim is being pursued against legal advisors involved in the document drafting. Full provisions against defaults have been made in these financial statements”.
– The accounts for Stoneygate 2007 Ltd (year end 31/08/21) – Going Concern Basis:
“A significant default on advances made in the immediately prior year became known to the board of directors whom took corrective action insofar as possible given the damage already done; full provisions against defaults are included in these financial statements”.
– A tweet by “@hiltonsofficial” (I’ve not bothered to correct the obvious mistakes) confirms a dispute with Rod Langham and reads as follows – “Tonto is a guy called Rod Langham owner of a company called Stoneygate Commercial Finance, they lied to me and their own backers and spent money that wasn’t there’s. I was successful in a dispute and so they’ve come out to derail”.
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Right, let’s try and put some meat on the bones –1) Woodchurch Road Developments Ltd was incorporated on 25/11/20 – Person of significant control at incorporation was Stoneygate 2007 Ltd. There are two legal charges registered against the company dated 11/12/2020, details are as follows:
Charge code 130435320001 – Lender – Stoneygate 2007 Ltd – relates to part of land adjoining 64 Woodchurch Road, Arnold, Nottingham, NG5 8NJ.
Page 1 of the legal charge reads: “Existing Facility Agreements means the facility agreements between Maxwell Cohen Ltd as borrow and the Lender as lender, in respect of which the obligations and liabilities of Maxwell Cohen Ltd have been novated to the Chargor pursuant to a deed of novation dated on and around the date of this Deed”.
Charge code 130435320002 – Lender – Westfoot Investments Ltd (this company has also provided finance to Maxwell Cohen Ltd) – relates to part of land adjoining 64 Woodchurch Road, Arnold, Nottingham, NG5 8NJ.
Page 1 of the legal charge reads: “Existing Facility Agreements means the facility agreements entered into on or around 19 July 2019 between Maxwell Cohen Ltd as borrow and the Lender as lender, in respect of which the obligations and liabilities of Maxwell Cohen Ltd have been novated to the Chargor pursuant to a deed of novation dated on and around the date of this Deed”.
2) Main Road Elton Developments Ltd was incorporated on 20/11/20 – the directors of the business are Rod Langham & Anthony Kirkham.
There are no legal charges registered against the company. However, the company name suggests a connection to the Manor Arms, Main Street, Elton on the Hill, Nottinghamshire. The title number of the property is NT276026. If you search the title number on the Land Registry website it shows the current owner as Main Road Elton Developments Ltd, purchased on 11/12/20 for £80,000.
3) Bridge Inn Cotmanhay Developments Ltd was incorporated on 20/11/20 – shareholders at incorporation were Rod Langham & Anthony Kirkham.
There is one legal charge registered against the company dated 20/01/22, details are as follows:
Charge code 130337170001 – Lender – Bramhall Commercial Ltd (Director – Anthony Kirkham) – relates to freehold property know as Bridge Inn, Bridge Street, Ilkeston, DE7 8RD.
The title number of the Bridge Inn is DY425983. If you search the title number on the Land Registry website it shows the current owner as Bridge Inn Cotmanhay Developments Ltd, purchased on 11/12/20 for £200,000.
How “@hiltonsofficial” can claim success in a dispute is beyond me because by the looks of things, the lenders came knocking.
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The accounts from past seasons hold no bearing on the clubs current financial state. We were out spending most of league one a few years ago.
Are you suggesting the figures are false from Hilton?
He makes reference to the club’s current liabilities but makes absolutely no reference to the club’s current assets. It reads like he’s personally paying every liability and that there is no money coming into the club which is clearly not the case.
Meanwhile, The money that has been invested into the club thus far is non refutable. We simply would not be here without it and some gratitude should be shown to the chairman for that.
In Peter Swann’s last podcast (last year) with Iron Bru, he referred to a £1M annual shortfall, was that correct? Based on Hilton’s figures, he’s claiming that he expects to have put a total of £2.5M in in the space of 6 months. One doesn’t reconcile with the other.
most people will stop reading when you open up with a quote from Swann.
The accounts for year end 06/21 reconcile with what Swann said in March 22. We await the latest accounts!
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