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  • in reply to: New training facility #266373
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    From the Facebook group –

    Paul Shinns asks – “Has the details being released about the new training facility been delayed with everything else that’s come out over the weekend?”

    Hilton’s reply – “Yes unfortunately Mr. Swann’s threats have impacted the club short term. It’s nothing that will not be overcome.”
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    Why would Peter Swann’s statement have any impact on the new training ground?

    in reply to: The unregistered strip of land. #266287
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    The letter dated 07/07/23 from Mitchell Wilde LLP to Knights which has been posted on Facebook makes for an interesting read.

    1) Why has Hilton reaffirmed his willingness to pay £3M for GP when the club claims to have acquired a new site for a stadium that’s going to be ready in 20 months?

    2) Why would Hilton’s offer of £3M be subject to a conveyancing period? I thought conveyancing had already been completed which had highlighted the issues reported by Hilton?

    3) Why would Hilton be so keen to prevent Peter Swann or anyone connected to him from opposing any planning applications during the conveyancing process?

    You deserve better.

    in reply to: Items of interest… #266279
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    Speaking in general terms, Kieran will have many sources from different backgrounds. Some of those individuals will hold positions in companies or organisations governed by the General Data Protection Regulation and Professional Standards which means conversations will be strictly off the record.

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    in reply to: SUFC Acocunts Overdue #266255
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    I particularly like this bit (shakes head) –

    1.2 Going concern
    These financial statements are prepared on the going concern basis. Since purchasing the shares from the former controlling party, the director has repaid the historical HMRC debt which was previously the subject of a winding up order. In a club statement, the director has said that the remaining debts will be eradicated in due course and he’ll be looking to put the football club on a sustainable model as quickly as possible.

    THE ERADICATION OF THE DEBTS WILL INVOLVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE COMPANY AS EQUITY OR LOANS. DETAILED PLANS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DRAWN UP but in the meantime the going concern basis is dependent upon the continuing support of the director.

    However, based on the accumulated losses to date and the quantity of historic debt, there remains a material uncertainty as to whether all liabilities will be met as they fall due for at least 12 months from the signing of these accounts.
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    The eradication of debt will involve taking out more loans, which donut came up with that cracker? LOANS ARE DEBT. Never mind the fact that Hilton categorically stated that he would not be financing the club with loans.

    in reply to: Items of interest… #266231
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    Kieran Maguire – “I’ve got to be honest, we are constrained in what we can say in the public domain. We’ve been contacted by some fairly senior people who have issues which I don’t think will come to light and I don’t want to sound all ITK and all nudge nudge, wink wink.”

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    Comorn IB really .. you never have actually stated your real beef with our new owner but your crusade ammo must be getting depleted if this is what you are firing now , damp gun powder firing blanks in the form of enlisting the tweets of young fans in your quest to sew even more division .. did you perhaps attend boarding school with DH and he bullied you or killed your per rabbit ??

    I hope the mouse is soon apprehended , i prefer glue traps and eat the cheese n choccy myself.

    People like you expect things to be served up on a silver plater and sometimes life’s just not like that. As for the current state of play concerning Hilton, the brilliant Kieran Maguire & _Derby5hire sum up the situation perfectly:

    in reply to: Solidarity with Bru #266206
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    “I can’t believe two high-powered businessmen with means behind them”. Ha, ha!

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    Is he referring to Swann?

    in reply to: Solidarity with Bru #266161
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    Absolute bollocks, Hilton was and is more than happy to pay the original asking price for GP it is Swann that moved the goalposts and begged for an installment before the legals were complete, would you pay for a house before you had a survey done? His preferred option is still to purchase GP and redevelop but if Swann wants to leave it to become derelict and overgrown then that’s his choice. Hilton cannot simply walk away either, he is already £2 million in! The allegations made against Bru are 100% correct, they had opportunities to ask the difficult questions when they interviewed Swann but there noses were so far up his arse it was impossible, the interview was embarrassing, this used to be a great site but it has become a joke now. I am 100% behind Hilton and have seen the evidence from him to give me the confidence to back him

    Pat,

    You say that Hilton was, and is prepared to pay the original asking price for the freehold. For you to say this, you must have some insight regarding Hilton’s net worth, so how much is he worth?

    in reply to: David white #266045
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    He has left Facebook.

    Don’t blame him, it’s a toxic environment.

    Beyond getting down on their knees, I’m not sure how much more accommodating that Facebook group could have been towards Hilton.

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    in reply to: SUFC Acocunts Overdue #266037
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    When Hilton agreed terms with Peter Swann for Scunthorpe United, it resulted in him becoming the majority shareholder of an existing business. Since incorporation, the business has a filing deadline for it’s annual accounts and annual return which the director(s) at that point are responsible for.

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    in reply to: Solidarity with Bru #266006
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    I trust that Matt Blanchard and Matt Ellis are aware of the Tweets by “@JoeyTrimbo” and have reported them to Humberside Police. Despicable.

    in reply to: The unregistered strip of land. #265951
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    IB- “ does Hilton have sufficient funds?” If not, he’s got rid of a few million for nothing! Which fool would do that?
    The topic is about the “strip of land”- has Swann registered it so the transaction with the new buyer can proceed smoothly,or not? If not,why not?

    Who has told you he’s got rid of a few million?

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    That’s the crux of it. Taking all of the diversionary tactics out of the equation, does Hilton have sufficient funds to purchase the freehold?

    For an individual who was telling supporters on Facebook that he owns a Rolls Royce Cullinan, you have to wonder why he is so coy when it comes to his net worth! It’s easy to be flash, not so easy building and demonstrating tangible wealth.

    For those who consider Hilton to be in a position to proceed financially, please share your information because I have seen nothing to suggest that is the case.

    in reply to: Question #265856
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    Matt reasoning was sound, his only mistake was not saying why in my opinion, as he didn’t want to be seen as anti Hilton,. That worked well

    Difficult once a smear campaign gets underway, and not only continues, but is being ramped up. Some people should be utterly ashamed of themselves but I doubt they are.

    I reckon if we launched a range of SUFC snake oil specifically for that Facebook group sales will be sufficient to cover the purchase of GP.

    in reply to: Statement 06/07/23 #265800
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    Please see statement dated 06.07.23 below. I have posted here as a last resort to attempt to bring the fans up to date as I don’t have any social media accounts.

    There comes a time, during every business transaction, when a party must state certain facts due to media posts and speculation in the public domain, which are untrue, misleading and causing harm to one or more of the associated parties. I hope this statement clarifies in writing, what can be substantiated with evidence if ever challenged.
    We as a family decided to look to sell the club and Glanford Park a couple of years ago and had various interests from multiple parties. Those potential purchasers worked with us on establishing the value of the club and land, working through budgets, creditors and debtors etc. Over that period all of those offers and interests fell away due to a lack of proven funds but not until a substantial amount of time and money was spent in accommodating those interested parties. In January, we decided to appoint an advisor to add clarity to the situation and we hoped to be able to move the club on quicker and with transparency. Sadly, each new potential buyer fell away at the proof of funds and finance stage of the purchase, even with a professional independent advisor on board.
    In the middle of January, I was told that we had serious interest from an individual who already owned a club and wanted to step in and take the football club and land associated with it and that our advisors had seen proof of funds. The land and stadium were priced at £3m and the individual was notified that the club would probably need £600k of liquid investment to finish the season. Management accounts, budgets and all other details were at hand, as we had prepared and provided these for many other previous potential investors. Everything was clear in the financial package and the purchaser, Mr David Hilton, had access to this and so much more information. The price was agreed – Mr Hilton was happy with the £3m price tag and understood the investment needed to finish the season and take on all the existing debts and loans. As such, we decided to sell the club to Mr Hilton for a few pounds and proceeded to enter an exclusivity period, which was Mr Hilton’s idea and also included extended timescales, at Mr Hilton’s request, for any extra due diligence on the asset and so that, in his words, he could liquidate the funds required to purchase.
    In late January, we signed a 4-month exclusivity agreement, which meant we could not sell to another party and were bound into that period with Mr Hilton. During this period, Mr Hilton had explained he was using the best professional people to advise him on the land and stadium and didn’t require his lawyers until the transaction was to be concluded. Although in breach of the exclusivity deal, we were happy to work on this premise. At no time did Mr Hilton raise concerns over the price and in fact on multiple occasions had stated he was happy with the price and would be concluding on time or even earlier.
    The first red flag surfaced when Mr Hilton announced the 1899 club membership scheme, which uncannily reflected the figures for the purchase of the club and stadium, as well as the likely liquid funds required to finish the season. We approached Mr Hilton on this and explained we were concerned he did not have the funds to purchase, which is when the relationship went south, to a point where direct contact was impossible due to the content of certain emails and texts received by myself. The lawyers then took control and no direct discussions have taken place since. No new proof of funds, as asked for by me, or statement of wealth has been forthcoming.
    During the exclusivity period, we continued to work tirelessly, answering his enquiries via our solicitors in a timely and professional manner and overcoming all questions asked on the matter. Despite this, still the process dragged on. We received an offer for the full amount spaced over a period, which we agreed to but required proof of funds and security over the property until the amount was paid in full. However, Mr Hilton asked to secure the balance payments on a personal guarantee, which would have been just less than half of the agreed purchase price over 12 months or more, interest free. We again asked for proof of funds, which were being withheld. Mr Hilton refused to accept security over the land and stadium and after we did our own due diligence decided we couldn’t accept a personal guarantee, which now was being asked to be put against SUFC rather than himself in any case. This was unacceptable for us, and we were sure this is something that would not go down well with the fans either. From about a month before the end of the exclusivity period, Mr Hilton refused to pay the agreed sum and started to impose unrealistic demands which we could not accept under the agreement that was in place.
    We have acted with full professionalism, respected the exclusivity agreement in full and with flexibility where needed, never moved the transaction to benefit us beyond the agreement and in fact have worked to accommodate any deal that would have ensured Scunthorpe Utd had the best possible chance of moving forward and staying at Glanford Park (GP). These range from a discounted one-off price, to a deposit and interest free payments, to a part sale with agreement to change the price if any issue was found to devalue the site. In fact, that is still available and has been on the table – Mr Hilton could have owned the site, secured possession and the future of the club by paying just 50% of the asking price and working on the remaining monies needed. To this day I have still not seen proof of funds directly or, received via the solicitors, any up-to-date proof of funds or wealth as requested and we must question until proven otherwise whether those funds were available and / or are still available to purchase the site under the exclusivity agreement.
    The recent media / news reports and online chatter regarding a new stadium, training facilities and a potential ground share agreed late April and licenced by the National League at that time, have convinced us that Mr Hilton does not have the money to purchase the site and in fact was ready to vacate after the May deadline as stated in the exclusivity agreement. To our complete surprise we received notification shortly before the deadline that Mr Hilton would be himself issuing SUFC a short term 7-day periodic lease, in contravention of the exclusivity agreement and where he had no legal right to do so. This lease will be challenged in the courts shortly and Mr Hilton and SUFC will be asked to vacate the land. The lease he issued himself does not constitute a security of tenure required by the National League or the FA. We have made this point very clear to the National League alongside many other ongoing major issues, however they have refused to work with us or even communicate with us properly to discuss these concerns.
    It is unfathomable that Mr Hilton has not truly informed the fans of this situation, still continues to claim the club holds a two-year secured lease, that SUFC will 100% be playing at GP, and that a groundshare had been agreed as a backup! SUFC has been taking monies for season tickets, sponsorship, home friendlies, car parking, as well as signing numerous players on contracts who have likely committed with the expectation of playing at GP this season – all these parties making purchases and commitments not knowing the true nature of the situation. Mr Hilton is completely aware of all of the above and yet both he and SUFC continue to publicly pretend all is well and that GP will be where SUFC play their football this season.
    It is time Mr Hilton answered publicly and directly to inform the fans what is going on – not hiding behind closed doors, in closed interviews, through Facebook or through others’ social media accounts. Mr Hilton needs to tell the fans the truth of the position he is in, not only on the purchase, but why he hasn’t publicly kept them in the loop regarding the situation both himself and SUFC find themselves in. There are many more serious questions that must be answered and there is still a chance the situation could be recovered, if Mr Hilton decides to pay what was agreed, in whichever format that works for all parties and with accompanying legitimate proof of funds. However, currently the occupation of GP and a complete lack of any recent considered efforts by Mr Hilton and his team to come to any form of amicable agreement on the purchase has meant we have been forced into legal action to regain possession of the property.

    Good Evening Peter,

    First of all I will reiterate that I am not a supporter of Scunthorpe United. That said, back in early April I was sent a copy of an interview which Hilton gave and I was asked for my observations and opinion which I duly provided after conducting some due diligence and checks. Based on my findings, I have some questions, please.

    1) What due diligence relating to Hilton did you and your professional advisors conduct prior to entering into an exclusivity agreement with him?

    2) As a follow on to my first question, you hint that a deal for the freehold could still be rescued. With this in mind, why do you consider Hilton to be a suitable custodian for the club?

    3) How was the sale of Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd and the freehold structured? Were your families shares in the company transferred to Hilton on the condition that he would complete on the freehold? In other words, if Hilton reneges on the deal for the freehold what happens to his shareholding in Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd? Can you take back control of the club?

    4) What supporting evidence was provided to Mark Ives and the National League which resulted in them approving the transfer of shares?

    I have no interest in falling out with you or any Scunthorpe supporter, but I think you had a bad day at the office entertaining Hilton and I suspect by now you know it.

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    in reply to: Ouch #265761
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    Hilton’s Facebook post………..

    A classic example of divide and rule, nothing more than diversionary tactics.

    He could have used the opportunity via more official channels to provide a tangible and concise update on more pertinent subjects such as the dispute concerning the freehold, training ground, the two plots of land, new stadium design and build, summer recruitment, 1899 refunds, the list really is endless.

    There are two elements within his ramblings where I would have concerns. Firstly, Hilton states that he has created a business model that is now sustainable. He doesn’t know this as there are too many uncontrollable variables at play with running a football club. It might be sustainable on a piece of paper whereas reality has a nasty habit of kicking you. Secondly, Hilton states that he’s handing over the running of the club to local people and supporters, my question would be, why?

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    in reply to: Ouch #265682
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    Only Hilton could miss the irony of him whining on about people hiding behind fake names! May I suggest he considers Brent as his next one.

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    in reply to: Hilton’s Contradictions #265669
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    I have gave him the benefit of the doubt with the situation he inherited from Swann, also appreciative of the fact he has saved the club by clearing outstanding tax debts and paying the wages when there was nothing left.

    But there are worrying signs that’s cannot be ignored:

    Why are creditors still owed money when we are continuously signing players?

    Are the new directors required to invest and if so, what has changed to make this happen?

    Are 1899 members getting their money back?

    Most importantly, what is going on with Glanford park? A new ground won’t be arriving in 2 years and a groundshare will send the club under. At the moment it seems we are relying on goodwill from Swann or the lengthy legal process it takes to evict a tenant from a commercial premises. Even if we managed to somehow remain there for 12 months we will eventually be getting kicked out.

    They are all valid questions and deserving of an answer. You build trust by treating people correctly, telling the truth, doing what you say you are going to do and by being a leader.

    You are a good contributor on here and it shouldn’t need me to tell you that the elephant in the room is Hilton.

    in reply to: SUFC Acocunts Overdue #265625
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    It was a administration oversight and should show on Company House in a couple of days, according to Radio Humberside

    And still they keep rolling off the tongue!

    1) The club applied for an extension to the filing deadline.

    2) Hilton discussed the accounts and the filing of the same in an interview he did which was released by the club on 02/04/23. Hilton said that the accounts would be filed W/C 03/04/23.

    3) At the fans’ forum on 17/05/23, the filing of the accounts was discussed.

    4) There have been umpteen discussions on this forum when the accounts were not filed W/C 03/04/23 (as promised) that would act as a reminder to Hilton.

    It’s a shame that Radio Humberside didn’t ask Hilton why the accounts for his own business, Maxwell Cohen Ltd are 15 months overdue. Perhaps another administrative oversight, eh!

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    in reply to: Anyone know registration rules? #265521
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    can we register a player if accounts not filed?
    I am sure there are league and fair play rules regarding such issues and footballing debt.The Southend situation seems to make us vulnerable
    I’d ask on the facebook page but since Davey Twonames started posting on there their cowardly mods have started deleting things

    If you want a very recent example, a transfer embargo was put on Burnley for late submission.

    in reply to: Planning Permission #265511
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    Both plots of land are owned by Onward Holdings Ltd.
    They are unaware of any interest from any football club.

    You might have gathered by now that I am not Hilton’s biggest fan but incorrect statements benefit no one.

    Your first sentence is correct but your second one is incorrect.

    in reply to: New training facility #265404
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    From the Facebook Group –

    Brian Robinson asks why the club has to leave the present training facility?

    Hilton replied (I’ve not bothered to change his mistakes) – “there’s numerous reasons, the first is that one pitch is not enough especially during the winter with no artificial. The second is, clubs normally train away from the stadium so that a match day is special at the stadium, not just another day at the office. At our level my attention to details may be a little to much I admit, but we are laying the foundations for a brighter future.”

    The obvious reason doesn’t even get a mention!

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    in reply to: The Directors Cut #265403
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    Only dopey **ll**ks and the gullible need apply.

    PLEASE, DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE APPLYING.

    in reply to: SUFC Acocunts Overdue #265359
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    “For me, it’s about doing what you have said you are going to do.” like buying the ground?

    Last week – 1899 refunds.

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    As someone with little knowledge in the area, why would the accounts be delayed ending up to June 22? If anything is sinister in there wouldn’t it only reflect negatively on Swann?

    In this instance the numbers are irrelevant as far as I’m concerned for the reason you state. However, in the interview the club released on 02/04/23, Hilton said the accounts were complete but he wanted his accountant to look over them before they were submitted to Companies House. He went on to say that due to his accountant having Covid, the accounts would be submitted W/C 03/04/23. This hasn’t happened.

    For me, it’s about doing what you have said you are going to do.

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    in reply to: 1899 Refunds #265293
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    According to Hilton’s comments on Facebook only a couple have requested refunds and he will be calling 1899 members next week!

    Looking at the Facebook group, I see fans were still chasing Hilton about this on Friday. Hilton’s replied saying it will now be Monday (03/07)!

    in reply to: David Hilton Interview #265190
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    Can’t believe Lord Kitchener had the cheek to bad mouth this forum when you read the absolute drivel in there.

    My biggest worry about Hilton thus far is he actually chooses to post in there; it’s going to be carnage after a few defeats in a row

    He chooses to post on there because it’s a platform which offers the least resistance, if any at all. With friends like that who needs enemies?

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    43 MINUTES IN
    Accounts filing – Hilton said the accounts will be filed at some point next week (W/C 03/04/23) – Still not filed.

    Still not filed and the last filing date to avoid a penalty is tomorrow.

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