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Iron-awe wrote:

Siderite wrote:

Blame Musk for that. You have to have an account to view twitter now. 64 has it right. Someone pretending to be Hilton, calling a fan a paedophile over and over again.

Thanks Siderite, sounds all very unpleasant, another good reason for never having gone on twitter.

Account now deleted.

“@bremnersboots73” has just gone in with both feet…

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https://twitter.com/DavidHilto72776/with_replies

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iron insider wrote:

out of interest how much are they paying for the privilege , are they buying shares , why are they not on companies house and if it goes Pete tong are they in any way liable or is that solely mr david ?

At this stage, it is looking like they will be directors by title only. In other words, not executive directors of the company. If they do become executive directors of the company, they will be bound by the Companies Act 2006.

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ironfromafar wrote:

IB your last line … “doing my work for me ” ..so to you in your words this crusade against DH is a job ????.. i thought you were just a bystander.

You are giving Pat grief for coming on SM and being a DH cheerleader whilst not being a Scunny fan yet you feel its ok for you to engage on Bru and elsewhere all be it as you profess only as an interested bystander and not a Scunny fan to spread negativity bordering on a real hatred of DH with the sole purpose to damage him for exact reasons you still need to openly confirm.

BTW ..Your regular use of the term “people like you” needs to be reigned in as using it gives the impression of being a pompous know all.

IMO not speaking for anyone else but i am finding your constant attacks very tedious now ,the information you offer may be true or false accurate or not but just what do you expect them achieve what is your end goal ??

As as a life long Scunny fan i know whatever happens in the future will happen and there is very little any grass roots supporters can do to change it .. your constant DH vitriol has only one aim which if does happen will allow you to puff out yer chest and say i told you so … alas where will that leave the club and the fans that love it so much..of which you are not one.

This is a football fan forum and should not be used as political platform to gratify ones obsessions.

Now you are merely making things up.

I haven’t criticised Pat for not being a Scunthorpe supporter, not once. Given my own position, why would I? My first paragraph was clearly wasted on you.

For someone who has made it abundantly clear that you don’t want to read my posts and prefer to see them in the non football section, not only do you continue to read them, but you also continue to reply to them too. You follow me about like a lost sheep on this forum.

For your future reference, when I need tips from you on how to behave, I’ll ask.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

Whilst I understand it is nessacary to have a user name on this site, I also realise that most people who do post, do not intentionally post anonymously, they are almost certainly known to other members of this group, for example myself!
I don’t hide behind a keyboard anonymously, I can be visited in person if someone wished to do so, and I have actually met people from this site who operate exactly the same way… upfront, not hiding, no back door tactics, no under the table dealings, no spouting rumour, while safely anonamous should anything back fire, to be afraid to reveal who you are, or why your doing it, while causing unrest, is a great example of cowardice and spineless behavior.
It is blindingly obvious that anyone trying thier utmost to bring down Hilton, is in doing so, will bring down Scunthorpe United!!
Any such person is only interested in their own personal agenda, and could not give two hoots about the club or its fans… obviously!
I do not reply directly reply to these type of cowards, and in my opinion it is the people foolish enough to engage with them that fans the flames and unrest.
If anyone finds my posts offensive (as suggested earlier) , I have some advice for them…. don’t read them when you see my name at the top… problem solved.
And if you don’t, please feel free to discuss anything you like,
I try to deal in fact, not fiction, so anything I post I firmly believe, although I am not infallible and dont mind being corrected should I make a mistake.

You’re Hilton’s biggest cheerleader and you are whining on about people having the cheek to have a username on a football forum. You don’t even realise how ironic that is, do you? The problem with people like you is that what standards you do have are about as consistent as a bad dose of diarrhea.

You might think that you are doing your mate a favour by coming on here and defending him but what you are actually doing is digging yourself a bigger hole. Take this statement from you as one example (I’ve not bothered to correct the mistakes and pigeon English), “It is blindingly obvious that anyone trying thier utmost to bring down Hilton, is in doing so, will bring down Scunthorpe United!!”. If Hilton is the fine, upstanding individual which you claim him to be, anyone attempting to bring him down will fail and therefore this will have no impact on Scunthorpe. You really should watch what you are posting because with statements like that people will start to think that you know much more than you are letting on!

Keep talking, Pat. You’re doing my work for me and you don’t even know it.

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Patrick0811 wrote:

Hi Cassidy
Think you have just about summed it up perfectly.
It’s the 4% who wet themselves with excitement at the mention of anything negative about the club, Hilton, Dean, the team not playing well, the Catering, the academy, Car parking, etc , they would get off on the club folding , how they must be feeling the pain with a decent looking team being built, the manager not being slagged off, but praised, the team itself looking like they are really going to enjoy the challenge ahead, the fans buzzing about the first game at Tamworth… the positivity must be making them ill.. me thinks!
The other 96% (some of who I met personally at Ilkeston) are top quality fans, and the dozens I spoke to briefly at my food outlet were full of good banter, it’s that 4% that are loudest and could well damage your great club.
Hope you don’t let them.

Pat,

You’ve managed to conclude that 4% of the fanbase are the loudest and could well damage the club (your words, not mine). So, in your opinion, what constitutes a wrong ‘un? What are the characteristics and traits of a wrong ‘un?

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Siderite wrote:

Can we play a bit more nicely? This is getting a bit vitriolic.

Well said. It’s boring and tedious.

If you need to throw insults about because you haven’t got any evidence to challenge a different opinion then you have lost the debate.

As for Iron Insider, far be it for me to fight his battles but he was on the money regarding the payments (or lack of) to the pension provider (as Hilton confirmed) and the situation regarding GP.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

I actually spoke to Mark briefly when Hilton first took over. He had nothing but good things to say in regards to Hilton’s time at Ilkeston. The only shadow cast was the ground development plans being shelved for a couple of reasons.

Mark is a Hilton cheerleader but I’ll cut him some slack. Not that long ago, he sadly lost his first wife, Nicola to breast cancer at a very young age.

I don’t have an issue with people who happen to have a different opinion, but I do have an issue with liars, fantasists and generally those who wish to rewrite history for their own reasons.

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Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

Seen Ilkeston have parted ways with Jamie ward (manager). Seems to have a done a good job.

Ilkeston fans are voicing concerns with the running of the club

Mark Duffy, a journalist who served at the club for the best part of 18 years as a volunteer left earlier this month. Perhaps not what he said…

I'm incredibly sad to say that after 18 years, my time working with/for Ilkeston Town FC is over. It’s a long story as to why (not my decision…), but probably best I don’t go into it right now. I wish Wardy, the players and the fans every success moving forwards. 1/3

— Mark Duffy (@DuffersSport) July 3, 2023

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

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Ruuger wrote:

He is a property developer!

Is he? How many properties has he developed?

I don’t know IB but Maxwell Cohen are or were involved with the Bridge Inn at Cotmanhay and wasn’t there a closed restaurant on the A52 at Elton which has been converted to flats which was something to do with one of Hilton’s companies ?

Thank you.

I am aware of those properties and their recent history. I’ve certainly mentioned them on a handful of occasions on here, hence my somewhat tongue in cheek questions earlier!

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Ruuger wrote:

He is a property developer!

Is he? How many properties has he developed?

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TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

I don’t know, is it his job? They deal with facts and previous case law. Whether the judge likes football or their arthritis is playing up on the day won’t come into it. If there is some issue that Hilton doesn’t like I think the judge will say “don’t buy it then”.

The hearing will be to establish, in the absence of a commercial leasehold tenancy agreement issued by the freeholder and/or the permission of the freeholder to occupy the same, whether or not Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd and Hilton have any legal right to remain there. That’s it.

Hilton agreed to purchase the freehold subject to conveyancing. If conveyancing has thrown up issues which Hilton is unhappy with, this doesn’t automatically mean that Swann has to rectify those issues or indeed issue the club/Hilton with a leasehold agreement to satisfy their immediate requirements.

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64 wrote:

Putting info up and claiming it’s somebody because they share a birthday is not proof. I stopped reading at that.

The fact that you have readily admitted to deleting my post without reading it in its entirety reflects badly on one of us and I can assure you, it’s not me.

I’m a big believer in having skin in the game, so much so that I propose the following. Given how difficult it is for charities to raise funds in the current economic climate, I will donate £5,000 to a childrens’ charity in Scunthorpe to be chosen by both Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg and Deereyme66 if the information which I posted on Friday is incorrect and I would like you to agree to do the same if you were incorrect to dismiss it.

If you believe that my information is incorrect, put your money where your mouth is because a childrens’ charity in Scunthorpe will shortly be £5,000 better off.

Over to you, 64.

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That Crazy New Yorker wrote:

You can email it to me: JordanZakarin@gmail.com. As a journalist, I have no horse in the race, so to speak, and only want to see Iron fans supporting a sustainable club with honest ownership.

Hi Jordan,

I did post the information on the forum yesterday afternoon but it appears to have been deleted by the moderators, unfortunately.

When you start deleting information which is readily available in the public domain, as I demonstrated in my post, it sets a dangerous precedent because people will consider you to be part of the problem, rightly or wrongly. As I said to a few people last week, it doesn’t really come as a surprise to me, especially after reading SST’s post on 11/07/23 regarding his conversation with Hilton. Furthermore, there is nothing in the way of consistency when it comes to the moderating of the site. I could direct the moderators to a contributor on here who is throwing surnames about left, right, and centre with absolutely no supporting evidence and his/her posts remain live.

I rather get the distinct impression that the moderators are keen to establish what I know, they just don’t appear to be so keen for it to be known by their members.

As always, I will remain respectful of their site. It’s their site and they can moderate it as they see fit.

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Iron-awe wrote:

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Iron-awe wrote:

IB appears to be struggling, that post removal must have unnerved him.

Most definitely not. Just respectful of 64’s wishes.

Was refering to the lack of detail you posted about your last supposed company scandal.

I’ll tell you what is proving difficult, second guessing 64 and trying to keep him happy. He really has nothing to worry about, he’s in safe hands with me.

He quite rightly only wants information which is in the public domain being posted, so I’ve gone away and come back with what he’s asked for. Then he goes on to say that business talk isn’t related to football, I could argue otherwise but what’s the point?

I want to provide links from a business portal (Vistra) relating an individual. Do I post it on this thread or on the other, non football section?

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Iron-awe wrote:

IB appears to be struggling, that post removal must have unnerved him.

Most definitely not. Just respectful of 64’s wishes.

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64 wrote:

Bystander stick to publicly proven facts,White Hilton as fas as Bru can ascertain are the only names we know of.Anything else can be libel if untrue

No problems.

Right, I want you to look at a company called Jon Joseph Ltd (Company Number 05725542) which was incorporated back in March 2006 (Not to be confused with any recently formed businesses by the same name). The registered address at that time was 15 Kingsway, Kirkby In Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, NG17 7BD.

I’m particularly interested in the name and date of birth of the director. When you’ve found it, please share it on here, 64.

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Siderite wrote:

I saw it and you are correct in your assumption, IA.

In fairness, I left the moderators with little choice when I asked MK IRON to clarify which surname the Ilkeston fans were happy with. Rest assured there’s no need for 64 to panic, he’s in safe hands with me.

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Awaywego wrote:

By Hilton is getting plenty of platitudes on here from usually hostile posters, one from Snot and now IB telling us he chooses his battles and audience’s wisely exactly what you want from an owner.

So you take comfort from the fact that Hilton chooses to communicate via a Facebook group that has some strange members instead of being interviewed by a professional journalist on a local radio station? I wouldn’t be taking comfort like you, I would be asking, why?

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Hilton chooses Facebook to either admit or deny any rumours and knows he can’t fail as the vast majority are gullible and are members of the cult of Dave.
However despite repeated requests from Humberside and Lincolnshire radio stations he refuses to be interviewed.
The question is why, what has he to hide?
A sports reporter on our local radio station asks difficult questions and has an uncanny way of getting to the truth, Hilton won’t speak to him whilst being recorded, why is that?

You know as well as I do that people like Hilton choose their battles and audience wisely. For anyone with an ounce of intelligence it is easy to pull apart and challenge what is being said.

I think it was you who said that Hilton shouldn’t be allowed to post on here, I disagree. As the saviour of Ilkeston and Scunthorpe, his story is worthy of a national platform. He’s been far too quiet since getting involved in football.

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Ferrite wrote:

Ignorant question but did Hilton built Ilkeston’s current ground and does the club own it?

I know nothing about the club beyond the cup tie we played there in 98.

No & no.

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iron insider wrote:

it is our david. hillton admitted this at fan forum

I’m assuming the other surnames didn’t get an airing at the fans’ forum.

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It never ceases to amaze me the level of arrogance by those who tell others how to behave towards a subject which they have demonstrated they know nothing about.

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https://twitter.com/bowiebhoy72/status/1679851253730344960?t=7JWdHDusVt9xQTv1HxeB-g&s=19

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

A post unashamedly copied from a Scunthorpe United fan on the fans Facebook page, I await Hilton’s reply.

“David White whilst rationale makes perfect sense, how about you review the situation properly before make statements (or rather non official social media posts).
Firstly you scrap the youth, then a week later the kids are relieved that you have listened, now, so far down the line they will likely struggle to find a club now you have U-turned again.
How can you expect fans to be fully behind you when you don’t do your homework first and stick to a decision. We as fans are clearly going to have trust issues after the previous regime, and you are hardly endearing yourself to a large proportion of fans with the amount of on the face of it back tracking and changes in circumstances.
Oh and by the way, if you would rather invest to try and get us back to the league asap, why would you employ a manager with half a year experience at the level we find ourselves with no proven record, it’s almost our very own Ted Lasso when you think of it…”

As you mention Facebook, is someone on the Columbian marching powder? Vetting members, step aside Kim Jong Un!

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Iron-awe wrote:

Will Hilton’s lawyers bring all this history up in court plus the gambling addiction

That would work both ways…

Anyhow the purpose of the hearing will be to establish, in the absence of a valid lease issued by the freeholder, if Hilton and Scunthorpe United Football Club Ltd have any legal right to remain at GP.

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Dawson wrote:

sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

Out of all the articles from different “experts” released in recent days this one appears the most concise and informative.
Different people will read it and form different views.
My take on it is that Hilton doesn’t and never had the funds to complete the sale, he changed the goalposts and came up with stalling tactics as the deadline approached.
I suspect his plan from the beginning was to raise the funds via his rushed and ill thought out 1899 scheme that failed spectacularly, I’m baffled that he thought any other outcome was a possibility.

He claims Swann must wait for the “legals”to be completed and they may take 3 to 6 months, 6 months have already lapsed since he claimed he’d bought the club, why haven’t the “legals” already been completed?
I suspect it’s just another stalling tactic.
As for his claim of moving into a new stadium in another 22 months, that is never going to happen and anybody who believes that is as daft as the man who made the claim.
No planning permission has even been applied for never mind granted on land Hilton doesn’t and I very much doubt ever will own.

I’m not sure if he does or doesn’t have the money, but if you read the article fully, Swann wants the 1.5 million pounds before dealing with the legal issues highlighted in the article. No one in the right mind would ever put that money forward.

To put that into context it’s like you paying half of the house you’re buying off, before even owning it. It just wouldn’t happen.

I think you’ve got a bit carried away there.

Swann wants £1.5M upfront (on completion) so that he can satisfy the charge on the freehold. The balance can be on the drip.

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https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1679347158477156352?t=Njl09NaWxeWIvP_fhq-VdA&s=19

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The employment status of Jimmy Dean will not register on Hilton’s CV.

Thank you for taking the time to explain the criteria for how a football manager should be assessed, but really, it wasn’t required.

Are you confident Dean will deliver the goods?

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Given the blind faith that some show towards Hilton which I have to say in bordering on cult like, I am surprised at how much stick Dean is getting especially as Hilton only appointed him less than 6 months ago. There appears to be some inconsistencies when it comes to the In Hilton We Trust movement!

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