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billpuntonsghost wrote:

Gurnelista – “ So why do so many of them support the death penalty?”

The answer to THIS question is that God ( who has reaveled His prescriptive will in the “ God breathed” inspired,inerrrant and sufficient Scriptures) is a JUST GOD.

So, you don’t know, then.

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Aye, what happened to the ‘sound businessman’ schtick?
Looking through the Maguire posts it seems likely that both Swann and Apollo knew for some time there was a problem. Others must have known too. But for whatever reason, nothing was done about it.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

A “ genuine Christian “ has no other position to take ,other than supporting pro-life.

So why do so many of them support the death penalty?

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And now, all the way from Conisborough, Denaby and district, for one night only live in Tesco’s…. it’s… the Reytons!

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It’s difficult to know where to start with this, coming from a member of one of the oldest, most privileged and supposedly most respected institutions of this country which has had repeated and ongoing scandals involving racism.

To begin… Hussey didn’t just ask about origins. The black woman told Hussey where she was from, but Hussey pursued it in an offensive manner. Would Hussey have pursued it with a red-head with an apostrophe in her surname, or a prefix of ‘Mac’, if she’d said she was from London? Of course not.

The problem with Hussey is that she probably didn’t realise she was behaving in a racist way, because she’s been doing it all her life. But times have changed, we’ve moved on, and it is a problem now, and time to learn about it.

Oh, but she was elderly, they say. So, what is officially the age at which it’s permitted to be racist? Is it OK if you’re over 70 to move a black woman’s hair and tell her you don’t believe her when she says she’s from London? Or should it be 65.5, maybe? 60, anyone??

Perhaps it’s the same with yourself, JI. You see it as OK because you’ve been doing it all your life, and on top of that you’ve been persuaded and gaslit into thinking it’s OK by the likes of Farage and other Kippers, as well as black people in the cabinet who claim white privilege doesn’t exist.

Yet, racism is all around us. Show me a white footballer whose skin colour is brought into the discussion if he misses a penalty in an England shirt! And we end up talking about stuff like this woman’s conversation, which is trivial in itself, but so very serious. Why? Because it’s symptomatic of the epic inequality – social, racial and financial – even in institutions which claim to represent us, which is at the root of so many of this country’s problems. We should be ashamed.

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Starmer sees the next election as his cup final. He’ll do whatever it takes to beat the Tories and at whatever price.

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But the pair weren’t stopped entering the ground because of what they were wearing. According to the Mail it was because they were carrying swords.

A variation of the story appeared in the Express (below). Again, no names provided, just allegations. The last line says it all, with “if (the story) is to be believed…”.

In all probability it was a media stunt, created to sell papers and give the impression Qatar is awful (because this is what many think), when in fact the country supports pretty much everything the Mail and Express stand for – few human rights, disregard for immigrants and massive inequality, unless you happen to be a Qatari male.

It’s classic tabloid hypocrisy and double standards.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1701813/England-news-fans-wearing-crusader-costumes-forced-to-strip-naked-Qatari-police-World-Cup

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Aye, blame the foreigner!

With Qatar tho’, the Mail/Express are over a barrel. On the one hand, it’s Islamic and denies its people many rights enjoyed by westerners. But on the other, it’s non-woke. So any criticism of the country leaves the paper open to criticising itself and its editorial line. Anti-LBGTQ? Hoorah! Tough and repressive on law n order? Hooorah? Misogynist? Hooorah? Tax-free? Hooorah! Death penalty? Hooorah, Right-wing media praising right-wing leaders and cancelling the left? Hooorah!

How could the Tory press argue with any of that? So a non-story/stunt involving sword-bearering fans being refused entry to the stadium is its limit.

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In reality this is a non-story, because everyone knows you can’t enter a stadium with an imitation sword in Qatar, any more than you can here!

But evidence suggests it was deliberately staged by a newspaper, to give themselves a headline and stir up their impressionable readers.

See how there are no names tied to the story, only claims, allegations, and apparently posts on social media. In other words, the journalist himself probably posted some rubbish somewhere, then reported his own comments for the article, and invented comments from other fans.

It’s nothing new. Pre-Brexit, the Mail did similar things with complete fictions about the EU. And, they do it now, inventing stories about likely to anger their readers – about ‘woke’ stuff, Markle, migrants, striking teachers, doctors….

British media at their very worst. They should carry a health warning.

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That’s right. And, in a club like ours an academy is a community asset which develops young players not just in the footballing sense but in a wider more social sense, especially as schools are so stressed at present and unable to dedicate time to talent, and to those lacking in soft skills, such as following instructions, helping your team mates, dealing with disappointment, etc etc. A recent tv documentary showed this in action at Crystal Palace, who under chairman Steve Parish, are exemplars of how to do this.

Oh, and as for parental wealth, cars and academies, I don’t think you can assess anybody’s wealth from a glance at their wheels. And, there are plenty of youths with special needs – social or otherwise – from wealthy families, as any teacher will tell you.

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bartonscorpion wrote:

Gurnelista wrote:

It’s so often the case that the party in power lose elections, rather than the opposition winning them.

I would fully agree with this Gurnelista, I would think that there was a 15 to 20% swing to Labour after the Truss handling of her few weeks in number 10.

But why do so many Brits have no problem with all these thousands of drop outs

Because they don’t inhale nonsense from the right-wing media, who all want you to blame the foreigner rather than Tory incompetence which they have ushered into power in the first place.

Let me put it another way – why are you so concerned about people who weren’t actually born in the UK, when the kind of problems besetting people like yourself in North Lincs. are the chaotic health service, emergency services, boarded-up shops, inflation and energy bills, and the lack of support given by the government to people like yourself, often through a labour shortage which immigration can mitigate.

Knackered northern towns are beginning to resemble war zones, and you, your family and community are being terrorised by this government’s incompetence and negligence. Yet, you seem unwilling to call them out on it. Why?

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Bucksiron wrote:

It is, indeed, very funny how people want us to trust their predictions. You’re absolutely correct that in 20 years they still say we need to wait. That goes for climate every bit as much as it goes for finance. They’re both non-deterministic systems with a huge number of variables, which makes predicting them in any way that is remotely accurate 100% impossible.

And that is precisely why it is essential to err on the side of caution with anything as potentially calamitous as climate change.

Your problem is tha there’s no evidence that will ever convince you BI, because you don’t want to be convinced.

It reminds me of those folk who had strong religion as children, which stays with them through adulthood. No argument will ever persuade them that their beliefs might be silly, childish, contradictory or plain wrong. That’s because they don’t want to be persuaded. The facts become irrelevant, and belief is all.

Put simply, people with such beliefs haven’t been reasoned into them, so they can’t be reasoned out of them.

It’s a mindset commonly found in cults. It can be disturbing but it’s mostly harmless, for example those gentle folk of the ‘Sounds Like Rain’ videos. The exception is when it involves violence, like with terrorism – political or religious.

So, the question is whether your manifest ‘belief’ over climate can be explained as cultish, or whether it’s just a posture adopted for political reasons. The evidence would suggest the latter – a PR background, the record in gaslighting, and of course the far-right politics… and when you were little and impressionable, we can imagine global warming wasn’t a ‘thing’ you were forced to deny.

But, there is another possibility. After being so wrong about so much for so long – support for Trump, Johnson, the Tories, Brexit, Swann, climate change and assorted other issues, it must be pretty galling to see all your cherished beliefs confounded and smashed at every turn. To admit this must make the holder feel nothing short of ridiculous, a laughing stock, a clown-car of values and arguments, the wrongest person in wrongland! But denial is one way of dealing it. So, which assumption is correct, BI?

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SOS wrote:

“Disadvantaged? Not around Scunthorpe… have you seen the cars parked up on Sunday mornings? It’s very much a middle class domain nowadays.”

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Being able to afford an old Mercedes doesn’t make the owner middle class, SOS! Same if the Merc is spanking new and fresh off the forecourt. Money and social background are completely different things.

My point was that as well as producing the occasional professional player, the club’s academy has an important role in the community. It’s different for a worldwide brand like MCFC which, apart from producing the occasional world-class player, also does other things like generate international interest in the club, which is important for merchandising, tv, etc. and (probably) has other financial advantages, such as tax.

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It’s so often the case that the party in power lose elections, rather than the opposition winning them.

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Thing is BS, you’re playing the government’s game here. As an older person living up north, you’re probably quite if not very dependent on the state for a pension, for hospitals, doctors, nurses and maybe social care too, as well as emergency services like ambulances if you’re suddenly unwell, or police if you have a burglary, etc. You also want your kids to have opportunities to travel, work, and generally make their way in the world.

Because all these are being cut to the bone or no longer available, you’re basically being attacked by your own government. Your health will suffer, your security will suffer, your finances will suffer, as will the wellbeing of those around you.

Of course, the government doesn’t want you to complain, particularly about them, after 12 years of incompetence. It would rather you moaned about something else….. like foreign workers who want to come here to do the kinds of jobs mentioned above!

But this perspective isn’t one you’ll get in the distorted lens of the right wing media… no, they’ll encourage you to look away from parliament and focus on ‘illegal’ kids in dinghies, rather than how much the government is attacking you and your community with economic incompetence and terrorism.

Think about it BS, when you’re walking past the boarded-up town centre, and see people scurrying along from the charity shop to the pound shop to the food bank to the warm bank, think just how much it resembles a war zone. These are the real problems in your life, and they have their origin not in far away countries, but in Downing St.

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I think Matt Dean probably meant that you need to look at the wider social and personal benefits of academies, rather than just the miniscule chance of a player signing a professional contract. For example, teaching youngsters to keep fit and active, as well as learning basic transferable skills like following instructions, learning how to deal with setbacks, empathising with others and so on, ‘soft’ skills but important ones, which will stay with them a lifetime.

Many of the kids passing through academies aren’t the most successful at school and often come from disadvantaged families where these skills aren’t sufficiently developed. But, learning them through football gives them a chance to grow in ways they may not have done otherwise.

Clubs have a broader social and sporting responsibility to their communities than just providing a match every other Saturday. This was part of sport’s original mission, before it became a business. Academies are one way in which they still fulfil these, and as such they’re a valuable community asset.

Importance of Football Academies

https://www.wemakefootballers.com/news/the-social-benefits-of-football-for-children

Top 10 Benefits of Football Camps for a Child’s Development

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And rightly so, if the claims are based on nothing, and just personal opinion, like we often see on here.

However, the claims made in the book about the royals are almost all backed up with sources where the information first appeared. Some are so detrimental to their image there would be grounds for lawsuits, had proof not been available.

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I suspect it’s already too late.

The developing countries are picking up the tab for our profligacy with failed crops, dried up water supplies, rising sea levels, uninhabitable areas of land and more. But perhaps the most significant causal factor is prejudiced, ridiculous and inadequate armchair polemicists along with a powerful right-wing lobby, who for years have denied what was happening, ignored the science or vacillated over what to do.

Nothing will ever convince them, because they are cultists. They are not interested in the science, and as such should be ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

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Aye, it applies to a lot of the forelock-tuggers up here, where forelocks tend to be very long….

It’s a strange thing, and quite a British one. People vote for all kinds of daft reasons, but maybe this has its roots in class and a way of thinking which says ‘I identify as middle-class so I should vote Tory’ or ‘The Tories were born to rule, unlike that Labour Party hoi polloi, which are no better than me’ or something similar, even though it means they’ll make themselves worse off.

Turkeys and Chrismas spring to mind.

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It’s a small gesture from one of the wealthiest people in the country.
Read that book above (which is well supported with evidence, not just a polemic) and see what it says about Charles – the tax dodges, attitudes to staff, hypocrisy about the environment and wildlife, and a lot more besides about him and all the other royals.

If you aren’t already, you’ll be up for a revolution.

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Some context??

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Aye, I remember some saying they’d turn their backs if it happened at GP. Christians too, allegedly.

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And many who did so last time were / are northerners and elderly, for whom the party has done nothing but make things worse – through inflation, reduced benefits, chaotic hospitals, fewer doctors, understaffed care homes, lower pensions, longer waiting times for ambulances and police.. it does beg the question as to why those profoundly dependent on the state would vote for a party dedicated to making it smaller.

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Disappointing response from the Christian soldiers here, particularly when some
seem happy enough to put forward their far-right views alongside religious belief, just witness BPG’s support elsewhere on here for ‘othering’ the Albanian waiter!

And, how was it possible to support Johnson, given his depravity? Or the Tory party in general these days, given its drift to the far-right, its attitude towards foreigners, the poor and less well off?

The same with support for Trump, in spite of his obscene flaunting of wealth, his lying, his disrespect for women, non-Americans and the poor. Just how is it possible to reconcile politics and religion here?

And here’s another thing; how is it that those who claim to care passionately about the irreligious nature of abortion (‘How can you kill a person?’ they cry) often support the death penalty, and often really couldn’t care less about the welfare of anybody except people like themselves?

So, come on you Christian Tories, the irreligious hordes of this board want some answers.

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Iron-awe

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And now for something considerably different… anyone see the BB King doc ‘Life of Riley’ at the weekend? It played out to this infectious little gem from 1967…

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Anyone who still thinks they haven’t a problem with monarchy, its cost and influence, should read this…

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Bucksiron wrote:

Absolute tosh, Gurny. What’s happening with Germany and the EU isn’t happening elsewhere in the world. There is only one EU…..
Its two major economies are at serious risk of collapse given the situation on energy and are praying for a warm winter to keep gas and electricity use down, which is rather ironic to say the least.

BI emits more bilge by the day. The sick man of Bru. The only economy at risk of collapse is the British one!

Part of your problem is that you’ve got your priorities wrong. Look, if one of your neighbours lights a bonfire and some smoke comes through your window, only a madman says ‘let’s abandon the house, we’re off, we’re going to live under the bridge at the end of the road where nobody can bother us…’ Well, you did!

Or, if you’re a member of the Football League and some clubs go into administration, there’s no sense in saying ‘let’s leave the league, we’re off, we’re going to play our own game with our own rules, we can decide who we play and what the rules will be…’
Complete total and utter stupidity.

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Bucksiron wrote:

All you ever do is claim everything’s down to the Daily Mail and ‘liars’, which is absurd.

Not as absurd as your non-argument leaving the EU. When are you going to reveal a benefit of it – we’re still waiting.

In any case, you should get some reading lessons – it’s widely known that apart from the Mail and other papers, concerted campaigns to lie about Brexit were organised on Facebook and social media, as well as in government itself. Not least on here, as JI/Les recognise only too well.

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As for quoting polls, are you serious? They’re about as reliable as SUFC’s defence.

I think that was NI.
Try posting when sober.

Dear old BPG, do you ever hear voices when there’s nobody around?

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We can imagine how that ‘interview’ went….

“What made you pick up the phone, Bucksiron?

So you say there’s a race
Of men in the trees.
You’re for tough legislation.
Thanks for calling,
I wait all night for calls like these”

(D. Fagen)

It’s rare to find someone as consistently wrong about absolutely everything, but BI takes the biscuit. An interesting question is whether he knows this, and is deliberately gaslighting and lying for political purposes, or whether he inhabits a completely different reality to that of most of us, in which case he needs help.

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DM, I’ve a soft spot for Lisa S. too, after seeing her at a warm-up gig in a small club in London, prior to a tour a few years back. Renditions of all her big songs were faithful to the originals and sung from the heart, but ‘Change’ brought the house down, with loyal fans singing along like they wanted to be on stage themselves…

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Germany has announced a support package which goes way beyond anything offered by the Sunak government. Some countries have been critical of it, because it may affect the help they can offer, and that’s been the extent of ‘disunity’.

Germany rolls out £177bn support package to ease soaring energy bills

So where is the benefit to the UK being outside the EU? You still haven’t answered the question because there isn’t one, there isn’t anything which can justify the economic and social self-harm done by the country to itself.

Almost everyone with a functioning brain acknowledges this. It cannot be denied. Nobody says it is the only cause of all the bad stuff, but the bad stuff is all made worse because of it.

It was brought about with lies, cons, deceit and dishonesty, much of it at the highest level, as Tory MPs prioritised loyalty to the far right and their own personal ambition, over truth, decency and honesty. Same with the jonnies on here. Brexit pursued the racist vote and was achieved by telling a lot of lies, dividing the country, and giving false hopes about the way it could be improved. As such, it needs a public enquiry. The press know the BS that was put about, and were part of it – no wonder they want everyone to move on.

It has made almost everyone poorer. There should be penalties and punishments for the liars, yet one of them became PM!

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