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Iron-awe wrote:

Peace is something that will not happen IMO, very sad but totally understandable, the difference between the Arab and Israeli states is huge in terms of culture and tolerance. I believe the inhabitants of Gaza have been treated no better then the Indians in the USA when they were herded onto reservations after having their natural home taken from them. The human race has a lot to answer for throughout history which beggars the question are we even fit to be on the planet at all, as the superior intellect race we are not far removed from the animals we descended from.

Good post IA, such a contrast to the usual ‘Imemy’ above.

When all that’s been achieved in a scientific understanding of the world and of man himself, it’s desperate that so many countries are still riven by superstition and all its political and cultural baggage. There they are, with their holy books preaching peace and brotherly love, while their leaders whip up support for some of the bloodiest crimes and most barbaric mass atrocities against children, civilians, the sick and elderly… It’s bad, mad, monstrous, evil… words fail.

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Ferrite wrote:

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As for assisted dying, it is indeed legal in many enlightened countries. But not here, yet. Again, it’s a victimless crime. There are loads of ‘em.

It is but there need to be safeguards against coercion and exploitation of potential victims. Don’t want to end up with a Monty Python “not dead yet” scenario!

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True, and that’s what happens in other countries.
I’ll see you on the other side (non-football)!

Oh, and as for jonnie’s film, ‘Trading Places’ was made at the height of 80s Reaganomics, when creating comedy about a fake, disabled, black beggar suited the zeitgeist. Here too, with Bernard Manning, Bobby Davro and others. It’s no longer popular tho’ except amongst a small, elderly, right-wing demographic.

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Rene Artois wrote:

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Let’s remember that there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Let’s not. Many crimes are victimless, from begging to assisted suicide. If Sainsbury’s sells me a case of San Miguel at 09.55 on a Sunday, they’re breaking the law. And the victim is????

Many laws which make harmless behaviour illegal are simply based on opinions about morality, and petty, small-minded, religiously informed opinions at that.

Some on here are so quick to moralise about a footballer’s past and question his present, while cheerleading for some of the biggest political criminals around.

Do you remember the Eddie Murphy film; Trading Places.
Many ‘beggars’ have homes and indeed cars that they own!

Assisted Suicide is legal in some countries – we’ve all heard of Dignitas?

“including Austria, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, parts of the United States and all six states of Australia.

The constitutional courts of Colombia, Germany and Italy legalized assisted suicide, but their governments have not legislated or regulated the practice yet.”

It’ll be legal in the UK in the not so distant future.

UTI

‘Many beggars have homes and cars’

Well, yes, I saw one near the station recently, there he was, bent double on his knees, with his plastic cup in supplication and with a small scribbled notepaper, pleading for a cup of coffee. I was immediately suspicious. I watched and waited, and soon he sprang to his feet and walked sprightly to his new Ferrari parked nearby. I flagged down a taxi, and followed him to his Georgian mansion in Scotter. He jumped out, carefully carrying the plastic cup, half full of brown shrapnel, and pulled out his top of the range mobile phone to de-activate his burglar alarm. Through the window, I could see a vast flat-screen tv, and numerous consumer durables of the highest standard, with another car – a capacious tourer – parked in the driveway! For that is the truth of how beggars in Scunthorpe live today.

(As seen in the Daily Mail)

The secretly wealthy beggar has been a trope put about by the authorities since the middle-ages, created to restrain the Samaritan’s hand and encourage victims to hide their poverty and shame.

Point is, that in many places begging is illegal but victimless.

As for assisted dying, it is indeed legal in many enlightened countries. But not here, yet. Again, it’s a victimless crime. There are loads of ‘em.

You seem to be wavering like Indecisive Dave…

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Rene Artois wrote:

Let’s remember that there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Let’s not. Many crimes are victimless, from begging to assisted suicide. If Sainsbury’s sells me a case of San Miguel at 09.55 on a Sunday, they’re breaking the law. And the victim is????

Many laws which make harmless behaviour illegal are simply based on opinions about morality, and petty, small-minded, religiously informed opinions at that.

Some on here are so quick to moralise about a footballer’s past and question his present, while cheerleading for some of the biggest political criminals around.

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Not grounded enough.

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Ah, leave him IA, it’s like talking to a pigeon.

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billpuntonsghost wrote:

The will of the “inferior” Brexit rabble must have really hurt.

Wot?? The grip of Brussels has been broke, the foreigners are goin and we are soverin and free. Im standin proud n loudly declarin Brexit the best thing since WW2.

Les and the jonnies were on the money. You must be so glad you believed their propaganda on ere. I deeply regret bein cynical and warnin of the damage. Just look at us now. Go Britain!

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Food standards? Woke nonsens indeed… big govvernment telling uz fans what we can and cant put in our mouthz.
Same with the players – they’ll be told to stop eating propper man-sized British hot dogs n chips next, preferably done til there nearly black (kills the germs, see).
Sportsmen and fans shud be free to eat what they like. I voted Brexit to escape the nanny state and there food hijeen standards from farm to fork!
I know exactly what I voted for.
How can a half time buger hurt? I’ll be the judge of that, thank you very much.

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I / me / my – it’s just like BI!
Forever the victim.

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Rene Artois wrote:

After watching Jimbob’s pregame ( v Rushall Olympic) thoughts, I think we are in trouble today.

He lacks confidence, is nervous, edgy, unsure of himself. He doesn’t inspire and is monotonal. He lacks belief.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2024/february/-player-team-news-and-views-from-jimmy-dean-ahead-of-rushall-olympic-clash/

When we feel stress, the small capillaries on the skin surface tend to fill and cause redness and itchiness on the nose. Thus, we tend to rub the itch. Touching the nose is a pacifying behaviour to relieve stress.

Any sort of neck rubbing, hair playing, face touching, or hand fidgeting is a sign of subconscious nervousness.

Folded arms…
Expressionless face…
Monotonal voice…

Far too general and straight from the pop science books.

So-called ‘body language’ is much more complicated.

Nose touching and fidgeting in general can be caused by any number of things – from lying, to the stress of knowing you’re on air/camera/mike.

It’s the same with a monotonous voice. Interestingly, a lot of sportsmen have this – just listen to some interviews Radio 5, etc. Interestingly, it’s often associated with autism, which in turn is associated with the kind of extreme focus and dedication commonly found among sportsmen and women.

Folded arms? It can just mean the person is comfortable and focussed, although most are too quick to associate it with defensiveness and lack of confidence.

So, just because someone interviews badly, it doesn’t make them a bad manager. Take Marcelo Bielsa – he’s managed and is managing the best, as well as Leeds. Conversely, some talk a good game but fail as managers. We’ve all heard them – up there preaching, full of self-confident BS before the wheels come off. Then again, nearly all managerial careers end in failure, just like political ones really, eh?

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CMC wrote:

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SODIron wrote:

That said, sacking JD when you’re second in the table is probably a little extreme, would be seen by most football pundits as a knee-jerk reaction, and would likely be out-of-character for the new board. We have to remember, Tamworth are on an incredible run of results and are top because they are winning every match they are playing.

Aye, it would bring back memories of Swann and Alexander. ‘Doing a Scunny’ would become a byword for clubs in promotion slots who sack their manager.

Most teams have a bad spell during the season. If we can get over ours and have a storming finish with a day out at Wembley, we’ll be in the dreamland of er… the NL before you can say ‘Tommy Orpington’.

Didn’t we have that tag already when Alexander, Dawson/Daws and McCall were sacked in quick succession?

You could be right, and it’s probably contributed to the freefall of the last few years. Talk of getting to the final and our own ‘Wembley’ might be optimistic, but getting rid of Dean at this stage would be even more folly. Who would want to take over a club that sacks its manager when second?
Here’s the run in, with venues.

https://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/key-dates-confirmed-ahead-of-202324-season-76562

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SODIron wrote:

That said, sacking JD when you’re second in the table is probably a little extreme, would be seen by most football pundits as a knee-jerk reaction, and would likely be out-of-character for the new board. We have to remember, Tamworth are on an incredible run of results and are top because they are winning every match they are playing.

Aye, it would bring back memories of Swann and Alexander. ‘Doing a Scunny’ would become a byword for clubs in promotion slots who sack their manager.

Most teams have a bad spell during the season. If we can get over ours and have a storming finish with a day out at Wembley, we’ll be in the dreamland of er… the NL before you can say ‘Tommy Orpington’.

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Talking as we were of female musicians recently, here’s a rather good young ‘un, the multi-talented Mademoiselle Cox – with a great rendition of All Right Now, or Ça Va if you prefer, as she’s French, see.

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I read the extract – pretty gruesome stuff, but Fellstrom puts it down well.
There’s a lot of stories about bloody, violent crime about at present, both fiction and realism, particularly in the freeview channels from Britain and America. Why is this?

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What’s the title?
As for organised crime, there should be a chapter on the use of social media for political subterfuge, where screen handles double as balaclavas to disguise all kinds of grifters, from a few on here to Michael Green / Corinne Stockwith.

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Is it as good as the reviews say? I might take a look.

Current bed-side reading is John Savage’s ‘Time Travel’, a sort of Tardis trip back to the music scene of 1976-96. He’s a committed, serious witness but communicates the evidence in a passionate way. You can get it for under a fiver online.

A football equivalent might be Eduardo Galeano’s ‘Football in Sun and Shadow’. He’s a great writer and comes out with truths like “Football is a pleasure that hurts”, and elsewhere “No matter how hard you try to silence it, human history refuses to shut up” a line which almost brings a tear!

OK that’s enough of ‘pseud’s corner’. But it’s useful to have these comments – go to any modern bookshop and it overwhelms, with thousands of titles demanding attention, but how many actually live up to the blurb and hype?

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She’s asking a Tory which party is more likely to keep the steelworks open by offering incentives to their Chinese owners.

How is the Tory likely to answer? And, would anyone seriously believe them, on their record?

Hang on though… I voted Tory in the last election because I wanted a lean, fit, enterprise economy! I didn’t want my taxes spent on lazy, inefficient, work-shy staff in dirty, smokestack industries that pollute the towns and cities of this great nation!

It’s because of this government that both Mumby and the steelworkers will soon be jobless.

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Aye, and the risks are much better understood these days.
Now, laid back, late night jazz rock, anyone? Perhaps when entertaining a lady – nudge, nudge… not necessarily a Barbie or Britney, Monroe or Madonna, but more a Joss Stone or 1970s Stevie Nicks.

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She was sassy and could sing, but her beauty was quite generic – in other words, hers were conventional good looks – blue eyes, blonde hair – the Monroe type – but without much individuality or character. A bit manufactured, or plastic you might say, a sort of ‘everyman’s piece’.
Give me Sade, Kate Bush, or Whitney in their prime, any day, or if you like an alt look, Justine Frischmann maybe.
As for “strippers” I guess back in the 70s/80s standards were different and a girl singer couldn’t flaunt herself the way some do now, although Debbie wasn’t shy. I blame Madonna!
Anyway, enough of this silliness…

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Rene Artois wrote:

“The EU wasn’t all bad”

Allo Allo…. Ornott and Lesgeo repeatedly told us it was!
They did a lot of “careful research” about the “evil empire”, ordered everyone to post it on Facebook, told us we were “taking back control” and pushed the country into a position of epic and often violent stupidity.
Now, we’re all disadvantaged, not least your deaf friends.
It’s time you trumpeted that from your café soapbox, Rene.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Did you write this article Rene?

Holy crap! Jonnie Or-not? Surely-not, it’s too factual!
It’s by Ian Thompson, a religious historian who also vanity publishes.
RA, now that UKIP’s gone which is the best bet for a better Britain – Reform or Raving Loony?

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Rene, of course some kids prefer solo sports like athletics, tennis, kayaking etc. but most prefer team sports where they can join in and have fund with their friends. At such a young age few are thinking about it in terms of a career and long-term success, so even if it means a 2hr trip for 30 mins it’s not just about the football, it’s a day out in the car, going somewhere new with dad/friends, and having laughs, fun, fish n chips…
Just ask any dad of 6-12 year old lads (and increasingly lasses), many of whom dedicate hours and £££ to this sort of thing, weekends and midweek.
If you haven’t yet been through it, maybe your time will come…

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JI-hadi – just give over playing the victim and whining about how we’ll all miss you when you’re gone! You do give the impression you’ve had practice at this.

As for Bucksiron, he got so much stick and then cleared off because he was so obviously wrong and was shown to be wrong on every topic he posted about – Brexit, covid and herd immunity, privatization, the Daily Mail, the Tories in general, and of course global warming. The pomposity and humourlessness didn’t help, either!

If you can’t stand the heat… etc. etc.

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A massive duck crashed into my greenhouse. It made a right mess and left me with a big bill.

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Aye, a quick emotional outburst is far easier than thinking.

BS, what you need to understand is that Brexit – the whole exercise – was just a distraction from failed Tory policies. Briefly, here’s why…

Back then, the elderly, sick, poor, vulnerable, those on universal credit etc. were all suffering, not to mention many in work/business – just like now, in fact.

To stay in power, the Tories needed a scapegoat, a distraction, a way to blame somebody else for failure. They knew immigrants have always been an easy target. They knew they could get people to think the ‘problem’ was immigration and a so-called ‘loss of control’. So the government and their client journalists (80% of which are right-wing and helped Cameron and co. get elected) made people panic about being in the EU, about the ‘evil empire’, about jonny foreigner taking ‘our’ jobs, and so on.’Faceless eurocrats’ were the problem, not the Tories. So, the country went mad, and voted narrowly to leave.

So, who won? And what did they win? Answer: nobody and nothing.

You have to understand BS, that the current Tory party, and their mouthpieces in the right-wing press and TV, do not have your best interests at heart. They pretend they do, because they want your support, rather than making you think critically about complex economic and political issues. They know how to easily press your buttons and get you worked up about something or somebody else, but it’s never them.

Now, have a look at the study mentioned here. It’s a 20′ read, maybe, with some big words. Stick with the abstract if that’s way too much.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0289312

And here’s a tip. Next time you have to make a difficult decision, ask the least clever person that you know, what they would do. Then, do exactly the opposite.

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bartonscorpion wrote:

I wander why Look North didn’t interview a few struggling Brits and ask them if they would accept entering Spain or Portugal illegaly and be put up in nice hotels and get good food and be free to walk freely nd their upkeep be all paid for by these other countries people, yes 100% YES. YES, YES, but they never get the chance do they!!!

No, because we’ve left the EU!

bartonscorpion wrote:

Most British people are struggling to just keep living, even though many are in debt and poverty.

bartonscorpion wrote:

Gas / Elect goes up again in January it was annonced today, companies just charge whatever they like, no control by anyone !!!!!!!

Indeed, yet we were told that leaving EU would mean we could look after our own. No matter, Brexiters knew exactly what they were voting for. Except, they didn’t and now it’s official – see the story in the Times today, reproduced F.O.C. below.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3m8wx/less-intelligent-people-more-likely-vote-leave-brexit

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/people-with-lower-cognitive-ability-more-likely-to-vote-for-brexit-6pvprrvm6

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Ah, so the ‘we’ refers to your extended family, and the ‘propaganda war’ refers to what’s happening in Gaza and on the BBC (!) and how it affects you personally. You should’ve said.

Like most political and religious obsessives you think you’re the only one possessed of ‘the truth’(!) But, you need to understand that other posters on here may also have family and friends directly affected by this war, and have profound disagreements over what’s taking place. Most of us rightly look with horror, disgust and despair at what’s happening on both sides in Gaza, regardless of any connection.

As for other comments about fear, social justice and ‘righteousness’, you show your conclusions but not your faulty working-out. In fact, your own fear and insecurity probably originate in your upbringing, and your sources of (mis)information, such as inhaling the Mailyexpressograph and GBeebies, gammon maypoles which attempt to keep everyone in a state of fear, particularly fear of change, fear of difference, fear of, say, your personal bugbear of Afro-Caribbean lesbians (gay, black, women – three in one, the trinity made flesh!).

The result is they’ve made you a self-righteous far-righty, a Tommy Ten-Names Robinson in a cassock; a prisoner of your class, generation and faith. But, you’re also your own jailer. Chuck away that key now, for liberation and Truth await!

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Just Iron wrote:

… we definitely ARE in a propaganda war.

You sound quite frightened, JI.
Can you tell us who is this ‘we’?
And, who is your war against?

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Just Iron wrote:

As I said .. before Gurney stepped in with his measured and non partisan expose to urge everyone to stay clear of thinking which might emanate from a place that doesn’t harmonise with him ..

I’ll tell you what doesn’t harmonize with Gurn… it’s the lazy assumption above, that posters on here are semi-literate bumpkins, who, with a hefty dose of flattery and propaganda, can be groomed to think like any other member of the ‘gammonariat’. In fact there’s more than a passing resemblance to Les and Jonny on this count.

Feel free to recommend your propaganda, but at least make it clear about the authors’ backgrounds, their positions on Gaza, and how they chime with your own.

What’s happening there is truly hellish, and until both sides have different leaders without the brutal, medieval mindset which characterises so many fundamentally religious societies, it’s hard to see any way out. And, as DM said elsewhere, it could yet spread to involve third countries.

Never mind, it’s just God’s will, innit?

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Just Iron wrote:

Second to recommend two books. One is ‘A State Beyond the Pale’ by Robin Shepherd. The second, more detailed and definitely the best I’ve read on this topic, What Justice Demands’ by Elan Journo.

Nah, these are just puff-pieces for pro-Israel propaganda. The first (Shepherd’s) is by…

“a former kibbutznik and Director of International Affairs at the Israeli-funded and staunchly pro-Israel neocon think-tank, the Henry Jackson Society. The publisher is George Weidenfeld (the former political adviser and Chief of Cabinet to the first president of Israel, former Chairman of the Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Governor of the Weizmann Institute and Vice-Chairman of the EU-Israel Forum).”

The second (Journo’s) is from an author who is Vice President of the right-wing Ayn Rand Institute (look it up, anyone who doesn’t know it) and is published by Post Hill Press, a publisher specialising in conservative and (loony) Christian titles.

Really JI, you come on here with your religious, right-wing propaganda thinking nobody knows any better. It’s truly shameful.

Next time, either hold your peace or lay your cards on the table and just say ‘I am pro Christian, pro-Jewish and right wing, so I think these books are great.’ Coz that’s what it boils down to.

As-salaam-Alaikum / Shalom

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