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Yes, in summary it says ‘Let’s appease Farage, he’s a good guy really, not an extremist at all like those nasty BNP-ers…’

Again, Farage is attempting to profit from the way he’s brought racism into the mainstream by now pretending he’s against it. A ‘Pound-shop Powell’, as one comment rightly put it.

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Bobby Charlton’s comb-over – hairlairious!
Filling in the gaps at the back and up front – Hart, Rooney – in spoof ads?

Joe Hart Hair Transplant: A Journey of Transformation 2024

Wayne Rooney’s Hair Transplant Result

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Learn form you JI? Why yes, I’ve been doing just that!

I saw that many of Jesus’s flock were making utter fools of themselves online both here and elsewhere, trying to dignify the unspeakable with their fake politeness, and as such were clearly in need of firm guidance.

So a while back I went and had a word with Prof. David Ford, Regius Professor of Divinity Emeritus at the University of Cambridge, and he said “You know what, Gurney? I’ve been thinking the same for a while. The unchristian material out there on the web has made some of ‘em effing stupid… the monstrousness of Netinyahu and the IDF, the egregiousness of Trump, as well as hammering minorities like afro Caribbean lesbians and supporting fools like Farage who brought racism into the mainstream. They just assume it’s all worthy and true. Credulous as hell, some of ‘em! It’s amazing what people will believe!! We need to look at this and get back to first principles. I mean, what would Jesus say???” And with that, he gathered up his cassock and made a swift exit.

And today, this appeared:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/religion/article/social-media-is-making-us-stupid-says-church-of-england-m8bjbklvf?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1719330433

And so did this:

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2024/28-june/news/uk/what-would-jesus-think-if-he-read-your-social-media-posts-church-review-asks

If you want those pearly gates you need to clean up your act JI! Even your own team says so.

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Well, we can debate the accuracy of stats till the cows… etc etc.. but there are various reliable sources which all quote approximately the same numbers.

However, that would be missing the point. How many deaths is enough before you’d say enough is enough? Can you give a figure?? 40k? 50K 100k Palestinian dead? How many elderly and sick? How many kids have to starve, suffer and lose their families? Figures anyone? Thought not.

The thing is this. It’s not possible to debate with a Nazi or anyone with such blinkered vision about anything, whether it’s online or in a football forum or whatever. They just won’t see any other point of view, because they are incapable.

The radio phone-ins are similar. You can present all kinds of factual information showing that what someone believes is based on lies, myths, exaggerations etc. and ask them at the end ‘Has any of this changed your view at all?’ And they say ‘Well, no, it hasn’t’.

That’s because these people have no interest in facts or truth. They are so tightly wedded to their beliefs they can’t let go of them, because if they did, they’d mentally collapse. It’s also why online forums are so unsuited to serious debate, because they are one of the few places political or religious fanatics get to air their views without being called a crackpot/bigot/nutter in person.

Worse, thanks to social media they easily find others who are as blinkered and bonkers as themselves, which reinforces their fantasies, along with the mysterious algorithm which detects the kind of bilge they like to read – such as JI’s beloved World News Daily – and pushes even more bilge in their direction.

So, it’s a fool’s errand to debate issues such as Palestine in an online forum, when no amount of facts or argument would be likely to shift the dial of someone as biased and blinkered as JI, any more than Bucksiron (remember him?) would have chucked away his blue scarf in disgust at the Tories’ malfeasance and shouted ‘Chairman Keir for PM’ from the rooftops.

Sad, but true.

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Sid, of course what’s going on elsewhere is terrible, if you can be bothered to check back, I posted to that effect months ago, after Oct 7th.

My post is about… well it’s pretty obvious. Just look at the stats. Not just the headline figures, but the innocent civilians, the children who have neither business nor interest in this war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

It’s monstrous and needs calling out as such instead of mealy-mouthed attempts to ever-so-calmly and quietly justify the IDF’s actions on the grounds of ‘debate’, when it’s vile, pro-IDF propaganda by any other name, on a par with those dreadful websites/books JI posted in Oct/Nov.

Meanwhile, this post just arrived, delayed by some 85 years….

Grusse aus die Rühr, brauen-freunder!!
Der Juden sein schweinhunden!
Arbeit macht frei fur den Juden in Auschwitz, und ihrer Frauen und Mädchen in Ravensbrück!
Das ist sehr gut fur die Deutsche volke.
Juden raus!
Heil Hitler!

Nur-eisen

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It’s completely biased rubbish that you’ve offered above JI, with no concern, compassion or sympathy for the mass casualties of innocent civilians, the women and kids killed, injured or starved to death, mostly on the Palestinian side. There’s merely a comment on how many they have reproduced, so it can’t be genocide! Incredible from someone classing himself as a man of god.

I can imagine a similar post about the Jews appearing on a German version of Iron Bru, somewhere in the Rühr industrial connurbation, about 1940…

Eisen Brau – Nicht Fussball

JustEisen schreibe… Achtung Juden Massaker!!! Sieg Heill! Deutchland uber alles!!

For you, faith is like football without the goals. It’s a case of ‘my team, right or wrong’, and as such there’s no point in debating with the wilfully blinkered dinosaur-denier from the Anglican-Jewish madrassa. You’ve got your scarf so tightly tied round your neck that your critical and empathetic faculties have completely atrophied.

That’s why religion is best avoided, like bow ties and tattoos.

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The reason why you don’t get a ‘reasoned discussion’ where ‘your points are properly addressed’ doesn’t lie with other posters, it lies with yourself. You get your news from the ridiculous WND, support the far right, and for the White House you’d vote for a convicted sex offender who lies the way the rest of us breathe. Plus, you have the temerity to call yourself religious!

The problem is that like many deeply religious folk, your political opinions are based not on facts and reason but on feelings, falsehoods, unreliable anecdotes and misunderstandings all garnered from disreputable news sources, which serve to reinforce your own prejudices.

It’s utterly bonkers, and that is why you never get the kind of fawning sympathy you crave.

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Aye, I think it’s Labour’s ‘aggressive cautiousness’ at winning the game and getting into power. Once there with a sizable majority – a size that’s unlikely to be repeated in future elections – they should be brave enough to be radical on all these fronts, like Brexit.

Just about everything the Brexiters said would get better, has got worse. And now, Farage, the man who lied loudest and longest about Brexit is benefitting from the damage it has done to the Tory party! Oh, the irony.

And, where’s Jonny these days? He seems to have gone quiet. Busy doing doors for Reform, maybe?

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Many here did too, among them the royals and the Daily Mail.
These days it’s mostly Reform.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

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True, Harvey was ok. But I always thought ‘Rough’ was a description.

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The Scots never had good ‘keepers.

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Cyril and ‘rug’.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/tributes-paid-community-champion-former-9038689

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Give over, the both of you! It’s like two bald men arguing over a comb!

Just forget the mumbo-jumbo and stick to the ethos – all faiths except the most fundamental share the same, basically humanist values such as compassion, forgiveness, honesty, etc. It’s the mumbo-jumbo that kills.

Iain Banks puts it well in his book ‘The Quarry’. His character Guy, the father of an autistic youth, is dying of cancer, and comments:

“I shall not miss being part of a species lamentably ready to resort to torture, rape and mass murder, just because some other fucker or fuckers is or are slightly different from those intent on doing such harm, be it because they happen to worship a slightly different set of superstitious idiocies, possess a skin occupying a different position on a Pantone racial colour wheel, or had the fucking temerity to pop out of a womb on the other side of a river, ocean, mountain range, other major geographical feature, or indeed, just a straight line drawn across the desert by some bored and ignorant bureaucrat, umpteen thousand miles away and a century ago. Frankly it’s a relief to be shot of the necessity to be watching such bollocks play out.”

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Bill, you ask this question about where values come from if there is nobody effectively in charge of it all. The short answer is that the origins of morality lie within us all, they are a product of biological and cultural evolution, just like religion.

As for JI’s comment, you’re talking in tongues again, not sure what you’re on about.

But, human rights and the freedom to believe in whatever, are important. People can and will believe in all sorts of weird things, but creeds based on a pre-modern understanding of the world, such as the idiot evangelists and their representatives in the film, have no place in public / political life. This is not the Middle East, and anyone who believes in Armageddon, second comings, while denying evolution, is seriously unfit for any kind of public role.

Point is, we deserve to know what our elected representatives really think. Do they really believe in this type of superstition, mythology and mumbo jumbo? Some would resent being open about it, perhaps aggressively. But as above, the violent ones won’t be the atheists.
So, let’s hear it for reason and science, and get rid of prejudice and racism for which religion is so often used as a fig-leaf.

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Aye aye-ey, I was baptised and went had a taste of it all at school and to some extent at home. Soon gave up on it though, particularly when abroad and seeing the similarities common to decent human behaviour everywhere, and the way people basically inherit their superstition from the state. Oh, and learning about the history of religious thought; how it was basically a pre-scientific story to help people understand the universe – how pretty much every country and community had its own version until they were conquered and forced to adopt the story of the rulers.

As for JI’s point, passing on values to kids such as honesty and kindness – which we all do or should – is quite different to indoctrinating them with mythology.

If someone in the media or public life comes out with wacky beliefs they rightly get called out for it, David Icke for one, Glen Hoddle for another.

More important tho’, is when it involves our public representatives such as MP’s. Yet, for some reason the religious ones get away with it, like the ‘Lords Spiritual’, despite having crazy ideas about second comings and goings and even denying evolution!

Nobody would take seriously a person who believed, say, that babies are brought to families by a stork, or that the dead return as insects. Why should it be any different with those holding views based on superstition?

The main problem is, I suppose, that by declaring their atheism and challenging a religious view of the world, many would be worried about losing their electoral popularity and privilege. And they may lose much more. If they put their cards on the table and honestly called out the craziness of Christianity or any other superstition, as many folk did with Hoddle, Icke and their like, they might need start wearing a bullet-proof vest.

But it wouldn’t be any atheist who’s holding the weapon.

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Nahh, the obsessives/crazies are the evangelicals. The proof is in your last line of your post.

Just take a step back and imagine you’ve come to Earth from another planet, and you see the chaos, death and destruction in Gaza, human beings who look and live in quite similar ways, yet one side believes in one kind of superstition, and the other believes in a different one.

We need to hear more atheist voices in government and education speaking out against pre-modern ideas about the world, to bring some sanity.

It often starts when kids are young and impressionable. Children shouldn’t have a religion forced on them. Let them find one later, if they want.

People should be free to believe in whatever – Jedi, Jesus or Boris Johnson, but when it comes to telling lies and waging war over it, they need to be kept in check.

Further removing religion from politics and public life, and a greater spreading of the word about evolution and a scientific understanding the human condition would be a significant step in the right direction. If that sounds radical, it illustrates how far down the religious rabbit hole some of us currently are.

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Ironfan wrote:

Its disturbing how religions brain wash and exert control over people in the name of a mythical being

Aye, how can these people call themselves rational when they deny evolution, and have all these strange ideas about Armageddon and a ‘second coming’ of the one they call Jesus??? It’s as if Darwin had never existed!

There should be more radical atheism campaigning to rid the world of religious belief, especially this totally bonkers fundamental kind. How can people think this nonsense is true?

Then again, I suspect many of those in the film don’t really ‘believe’ very much. It’s as if something has gone wrong in their lives and going to church and cheering gives them a kind of support and communal feeling which they don’t get elsewhere.

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Apollo11 wrote:

lesgeo wrote:

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages.
noun DEROGATORY

“A well-meaning but unrealistic or interfering philanthropist or reformer.
“they were not going to welcome bossy do-gooders from far away telling them how to run their lives”
Let’s hear it for ‘those who do good’ – not the above.

That’s certainly one – but not the only – definition of the term.

True, Apollo.

The OL definition is missing something. In fact, ‘do-gooders’ is up there with ‘nanny state’. Both are expressions used sneeringly by the political right when they feel their moral standing is under threat, particularly from those seeking greater social and economic justice. Beware the naysayers.

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So, based on comments from CMC, TJO and others (above) if we don’t get promoted in 24/25, Butler will have failed, and should expect the boot, right? No two ways about it, no question of stats, goals, unlucky penalties, or excuses about cash. It’s the “cruel reality of pro football”, and he will have to go, right??

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Seething anger and alienation, leavened with a splash of humour.

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It seems Dean is being scapegoated for fans’ high hopes which were cruelly dashed at the last.
Note the stained glass of some Bru-ers with Dean and Plummer in Lincoln Cathedral….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat

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True, under Dean it was often winning ugly.
But under Nelson it was just 9 games, W.2 D2.L5.
Losing pretty?

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Ha ha, he might actually do well and you might get over the departure of Mr supposed nice guy.

No sour grapes (or olives) DM, or idea about Dean’s personality, but his stats were more than respectable. The Board could see this, but a few on here demanded a scapegoat for their disappointment, and abandoned logic, forethought and common sense, just as they did with Brexit. I hope AB does well, but I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t. Be careful what you wish for.

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The ‘dot’ is a sign, a sign from the gods!
Behold, he now walks among us.
A true Chthonic deity
Emerged from the depths of Donny.
Rejoice,
For it is the fourth coming…
Of Andy Butler!

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Well, plenty to lose if we go backwards! And the reason he might not succeed is lack of money and lack of experience, except with the ladies, apparently. But, at least he speaks nicely.

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New season ticket money will probably be servicing the debts.

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Hmmm doesn’t sound like it when she says “the budget and payroll far exceed the level we are currently operating at” and need to be brought under control, starting with management and players.

Maybe we can also find someone who talks a good game even if we lose. A few posters think it important.

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Apollo11 wrote:

Owner and chairperson Michelle Harness said: “To be saying goodbye to Jimmy, Chris and Ant is undoubtedly one of our toughest decisions since we took ownership of the club, and it is a decision we’ve made with a very heavy heart.

“We inherited significant debt, along with a budget and payroll which by far exceeds the level that we are currently operating at, and we need to work hard this summer to bring that back to a level where we can both compete at, but also remain sustainable, and this must start at football management level… .

Reading between these lines, it sounds like his departure has nothing to do with the football, just that they couldn’t agree financials.

Sadly, we’re back in the precarious situation of a year ago, with a smaller squad and less to spend.

But hey ho, maybe we’ll find a manager who’ll build a team which scores more goals than anyone else, has a better goal difference, and can finish higher than second. Trebles all round??

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DM – goals and points don’t tell the full story? If you want a winning team they’re the most important elements of it. Never mind the moaning about ‘chopping and changing’, the ‘awful substitutions’, the ‘terrified of losing’ etc. etc. mentioned above. The stats and table don’t lie.

What do you want, lose a thrilling match 3-4 each week and and flirt with relegation?

Everyone wants an entertaining side, but once again, this is NLN, and it’s often not pretty. Then again, football often isn’t. Maybe we get spoiled by the amount of elite footy on tv, especially the highlights which cut out the boring bits.

Sanfran is right about fickle, moaning supporters. But look, all fans suffer. It’s part of the game. And as in football, so in life. The religiously persuaded might think of it as a test of endurance, which He allows us to suffer as part of the trials of life, to humble us and make us more like Him. Those above, so quick to chuck in the towel, turn their backs and run, should pause a moment for reflection and have a quiet word with their spiritual guardians, not least themselves.

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Agree with Mister Misterton and others.

Lots of stats from the maths teacher elsewhere, and the speculative, subjective list of ‘if this, if that’ (above) brings to mind lists of Brexit bollox. OK, Dean’s not your pint of shandy, but here are more important numbers:

Finished second and scored 84 – best in the league. Goal difference – 46 best in the league. Went out on a playoff penalty.

Fans have such short memories, but just think back. At the start of the season when the club’s very survival was in doubt, would anyone on here have thought those numbers unacceptable? Would anyone on here possessed of their faculties have thought they would be grounds for managerial renewal?

We might be in the same business as Barcelona, but that’s about all. It’s NLN, and after a season of uncertainty and near-death, finishing a creditable second should not grounds for managerial renewal and yet more upheaval with yet another untried wannabee. Chuck it in? Get real! (not Madrid)

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