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James O’Brien
@mrjamesob“Brexit’s over, Rupert. What do you think you can get them to do next?”
“Boo their own team while claiming to be patriots?”
“Let’s make it interesting. You have to get them booing before the game starts, and get a Tory MP to boycott the tournament.”
“Piece of cake.”
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That’s the point, WG, it’s not that BLM doesn’t care about other people, it’s just that they want to focus on issues affecting black people, which are undeniably worse.
Think of it as a kind of trade union. The union represents people in an industry. It’s not that the members don’t care about other workers or their conditions, just that they primarily represent their own people. And, just as many other workers show support a particular trade union when it protests, many whites support BLM.
The difference is that here we’re not just talking about pay and conditions but human rights – something we should all support.
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This forum is full of too many idiots and fools like the BJ parody who try their best to intimidate others into Nazi-sim!
There are plenty among the silent majority who love this country and hate everything that the Nazis stand for!
They daren’t speak out because of the intimidation created by the few racists on this thread who make out anyone who disagrees must be unpatriotic!
The ignorant racists really hate this country and want to silence those who want to stand for the traditions which make it great – which include taking a knee on behalf of opressed people everywhere!
And, it’s not difficult to imagine the same monsters roaring their approval in Hitler’s beer hall putch speeches. They’re just lacking another Farage. Had he written his own version of ‘Mein Kampf’, he might have gone even further. What do you reckon, Les?
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It’s true Wharton did get criticism and even some abuse towards the end of his tenure, but it was nowhere near as sharp and sustained as the criticism which PS has attracted. That’s partly due to the consistently poor performances of the last few seasons, but also the raised expectations followed by deep disappointment, mixed in with a more provocative personal style. His actions have also led to a feeling that the club is belongs to him and him alone, rather than the fans.
Hence the grief, I think.3 users thanked author for this post.
What will acting like spoilt brats achieve CT?
Grow up and support the team you claim to follow.
I’ll say it one more time you reap what you sow. People like you think they’re blameless when in fact they are very much part of the problem.
‘Reap what you sow’ should be nailed to the boardroom wall. It’s been so true these past seasons.
But with the complacency and arrogance on display here, there’s no reason to suggest 21/22 will be any different.1 user thanked author for this post.
Good piece from Max Bell.
I don’t know Pawn but his record suggests a stubborn streak which makes him oblivious to those with different opinions. This, together with a need for control from the boardroom to the boot-room to the pitch, has made him dismissive of other points of view, and led him to fall out with managers, players, press, fans, and even the local council.
It’s also no surprise that some of the most influential people in the club seem to be his own family.
Despite all this, if plans had come to fruition, with dazzling, ‘sexy’ football, a promotion, and a ‘starchitect’ designed stadium, all would be fine.
But, it hasn’t. It’s gone from bad to worse, and there’s no sign it’ll get any better. With the club haemorraging cash, the aim is now to batten down the hatches, cut losses and protect business interests. And with no change in sight, the clubs most valuable asset – not the ground but the fans – are in revolt.
What seems to be needed is a greater willingness to listen and act on the advice of others, and a devolution of decision-making down to those who are professionally capable of exercising it. Of course, they have to have a decent budget to do the job too.
But perhaps most of all, the club needs to get in touch with its fans again, and a bit of sackcloth and ashes from Swanns Sr and Jr would go a long way to repairing and re-establishing relations. It would cost nothing in financial terms, and the gains could be immense. Give Me Sunshine? We can all wish.
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To pick the protests that you do value, judge what is important in life. And a protest against someone who paid the players 100% through covid with very little income coming in is a good employer in my books, just because he hasn’t achieved what he wanted doesn’t mean people should turn on him at least he gave it a go.
Judge what is important in life?? The anger shown on this board reveals that the club is very important in the lives of many.
Players receiving their pay cheques? It has nothing to do with it. A protest is in the offing because the supporters feel cheated at how badly the club is being run; the dreadful performances, the dreadful league position, the broken promises, the disdain for the fans…
Come on AWG, you’re looking though the wrong end of the telescope. If you really were a shop steward, you’d understand the value of protest to show the strength of feeling about this. But if your MO with aggrieved workers was merely to ask them if they had been paid, and to consider what is important in life, how on earth did you manage to get elected some ten times in thirty years?
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Yes, in the interests of transparency, which has lately been so unfashionable in business and politics, the record can be seen here.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622/charges
Just search for others’ names and companies on this public register, should you wish to do so.
Well said, DM.
And UTI99, re. fans, customers and the Sky generation – it’s companies like Sky who have been responsible more than anyone for replacing fans with fickle customers. The big money they’ve brought into the game has turned the top clubs into global brands with customers worldwide, the vast majority of whom never actually attend a game.
Plus, the way TV income is distributed has widened inequality in football, and forced into administration many small clubs like ours, who now really struggle to keep up.
Local fans have become even more important to these clubs, as they are an important source of income where TV money is relatively small. So, the clubs should be working hard to attract and keep them.
But, there’s a feeling that SUFC is not doing this; that it’s taking them for granted, angering and alienating them by saying they talk crap, they’re morons, or ‘who cares’ if they leave after 60-odd years, etc. etc. And as if that weren’t enough, season after season we have witnessed a standard of football rarely seen outside public parks.
Now, for all kinds of reasons, the days of fans suffering in silence have gone. Even ours, who are now planning a protest, which will certainly attract regional and quite possibly national attention.
I don’t know if all this is a lesson they teach in the business schools, but it’s one the club would do well to learn before it’s too late. But, maybe it already is.
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We’ve been terrible this season just like we were in the season before we signed Mussy, Bara and Crosby, then look what happened.
That kind of argument can excuse anything.
Look, it was 17 years ago, with a different management, manager and players, plus a different attitude of the club towards its fans!
Complacency rules.
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You reap what you sow. Remember that.
Seems to me these words should be on the boardroom wall. Never been more appropriate.
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