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Had enough of feelin’ good? Here’s Lucinda Williams with the antidote….

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I think if that were true, the most economically powerful members of the EU would all be wanting out. They aren’t, save a few far right parties who like to punch down and blame everything on immigration.

Heath’s article well summarises the arguments put forward by remain in 2016, which were cheerfully slapped down by ‘leave’ under the banner of ‘take back control’, whatever that meant. All that rubbish spouted on Bru, the banners in farmers’ fields, in the tabloid press, in the Tory party and elsewhere – now see where that collective hysteria has got us, and the EU, for that matter.

As for G-beebies, I know what you mean about devil-may-care delivery of news, the problem is that most of it is just unverified hogwash designed to appeal to unthinking, half-cut couch potatoes.

PS I am sometimes a half-cut couch potato myself, but beebies still doesn’t appeal.

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No ‘jury’s out’ at all. Verdict’s been in for a while. People think it was a mistake.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

You have to understand Labour’s strategy. If they’d talked about rejoining, it would have forced the Tories fight the election defending Brexit. But, health and the economy are voters’ main concerns, as we saw.

There will likely be a conversation about rejoining towards the next election.

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Just like with Brexit.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Yes it’s very strange when an ex professional footballer with over 600 career appearances, professional coaching badges and a wealth of professional football knowledge gleaned from well over 20 years in the professional game doesn’t realise he’s getting it wrong, whereas a group of well intentioned football fans with I’m guessing no professional based knowledge of the game whatsoever save observing the game over many years can. It always has baffled me that.

Typically happens when surrounded by yes-men. Business, government, sport….

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Haha, she’s the one gift to Labour that Starmer won’t have to declare!

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cassidystash wrote:

Butler is confusing me (and maybe himself)
He has said repeatedly in interviews “I want to win every game”
He then sets up in an over defensive manner and says, as above,”if you don’t concede you can’t lose”
On the other hand if you score 5 you’re unlikely to lose either, can we try that for a bit and see how it goes?

He starts the game with a point. Not conceding means he keeps it.
Scoring goals is harder than stopping them.
Defenders are cheap. Attackers are …
Hence, the current situation.
It’s a problem everywhere. Currently, no team has averaged more than around 1.5 goals a game (Chorley).
Boring, tho’.

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Nah, at least two of OP stats are wrong.

DNA resonates at 40 not 42 GHz

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25584811/

Galactic orbits? The estimate is 20-22 not 42.

The Sun is expected to become a red giant in about 5 billion years. Since one galactic year (the time it takes for the Sun to orbit the Milky Way) is roughly 225 to 250 million years, the Sun will complete about 20 to 22 galactic years before it transforms into a red giant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year

But 42 makes a good answer to any question about Brexit!

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Well said. It looks cheap and grasping, as if the club cares more about cash than its lifeblood – the fans.

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Awaywego wrote:

Pensioners will vote against the government at the first opportunity.

They already do – lots have been voting Tory or Farage for years. The ‘retirement’ villages round north Lincs. are full of ’em! Hence, the present mess.

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Is this a reference to ‘Fiddler on the Roof’?

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Ah, the debating soc again…

Bill, most sensible folk don’t accept that ‘miracles’ exist, at least in the god-given supernatural sense.

Importantly, we shouldn’t think that just because we can’t understand or fully explain something, that it must be evidence of a god at work (if ‘scientific’ evidence matters at all to the religiously inclined). For example, I can’t properly explain to you how my tv or radio works, but I know it isn’t down to magic, or a deity transporting him/herself through the ether to a box of miracles! I know there’s a scientific explanation, even though I don’t know what it is.

I also know there are many natural phenomena which are gradually being explained to us, as scientific knowledge of the Earth, planets, and life advances, thanks to some great investigative science. You only have to listen to say, Cox, Packham, or Attenbrough to hear explanations of evolution in layman’s terms, to understand we know far more now than even just 10 years ago, never mind what our parents or grandparents’ generation knew.

There are lots of complicated papers online about the biology and chemistry involved in the creation of bacteria and simple cells. There’s also a good thread on it here.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-first-uni-cellular-microorganism-come-into-existence-on-Earth-which-eventually-led-to-all-the-other-organisms-on-Earth

Or, you can dismiss it all and say it was because of some Latin folklore creature described in a book called the ‘bible’, who worked his magic, Harry Potter-style.

The pleasures of a simple, comforting explanation should not be underestimated. Come to think of it, it’s a bit like the way some folk still think, or rather believe, that all Britain’s woes at present are down to small boats, immigration and the EU, rather than 14 years of economic mismanagement by Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss!

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Just Iron wrote:

If my post isn’t reasonable and unbiased then it doesn’t get posted. It’s a standard I set myself.

I didn’t know whether to die laughing or choking on my own biliousness when I read this. It’s precisely why you need to review your own mails and approve yourself in public. It’s the pinnacle of narcissism, and if you can be bothered to read Proverbs 6:16-17, apparently what your god hates most, along with – you guessed it – ‘hands that shed innocent blood’.

Which brings us to support for the IDF slaughter of innocents, and a depraved view of biblical teaching that ensures the killing on both sides will not stop, as thousands more will lose their lives. Supporting this carnage is a colossal perversion of the Christian ethic. It’s like the ‘patriot’ with a swastika on his back in Sunderland this week.

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Aye, judging his own posts now! Another sign of desperation.

You aren’t angry with my post JI, you’re angry with yourself, and well you should be, attempting to dignify the unspeakable acts of the IDF.

Doesn’t your bible say something about forgiveness? C’mon, what would Jesus say about forgiveness? Would he be on a spree to murder those women and kids? What about your Lord’s Prayer? Go easy on your knees, oh, and eat more nuts.

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I think many posters find your own biased stance towards a government / military operation bent on killing thousands of unarmed civilians and in flagrant contravention of international law, beyond nauseating.

You seem to think you deserve a free pass on this because you’ve allegedly got family involved. But you don’t, because like many deeply religious folk, your political opinions are based not on facts and reason, but on feelings, falsehoods and misunderstandings garnered from unreliable news sources (as we’ve seen many times before) which serve to reinforce your own prejudices.

In any case, you won’t give a figure on a sufficient number of deaths before you’d call a halt to the massacre, so presumably the IDF should go on and on, ethnically cleansing the region of all the women, children and babies and other unarmed, non-combatants. Worse, you don’t care if it’s bombs, bullets, disease or starvation that kills them, as long as others pull the trigger.

It’s beyond morally abhorrent. There are thousands of Israelis who think so too, just as there are thousands of Palestinians who don’t support Hamas.

Instead of berating other posters for not sharing your own blinkered, violent, war-mongering, you’d do well to consider your own armchair support for this vicious regime, instead of allowing yourself to become a monstrous advertisement for ‘faith’, particularly the Jewish variety.

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Following ‘his’ teachings Bill?
Just look at this, especially the first 3.5m.
JI cheering it on, while calling himself man of God.
You do realise this kind of behaviour is classed as psychotic.
(Warning: this clip contains distressing scenes)
https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-gaza-400000-residents-ordered-to-leave-khan-younis

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Just for the record:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgerz8we1vgo
“It’s the lesser of two evils”

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Yes, it’s quite a perverse, cultish mentality IA, lurking behind the veneer of civility.

It’s typical of the far-right or indeed any cultist whose opinions are based on feelings not facts, that when all the contradictions are exposed to them, they crack, go into meltdown and blame the messenger, throwing around all kinds of wild accusations rather than taking a look at themselves. Just like here, in fact.

NB JI…
– You’ve never ceased posting to satisfy anyone!
– WND – You have evidently forgotten again that you’ve been a fan for a long time
and recommend them elsewhere.
-You still think the IDF should continue murdering thousands of non-combatant women
children, sick and elderly in hospitals, schools etc. if Hamas doesn’t return the
hostages. But you still can’t answer questions on how many and how, because you are ashamed to do so – ashamed of yourself, it seems.
– Despite all this, you still consider yourself a Christian worthy of a place in a
paradise! Can you explain how?

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Every needless death is one too many.

You protest too much JI. You’ve said too much previously to be sincerely resiling now. It’s clear you support the IDF to the hilt. So presumably the deaths of thousands of civilians in Gaza are not needless but necessary, in your cultist view. It’s the lesser of two evils, right?

Part of the problem is that you’re only interested in feelings, not facts, for example that all Gazans are bad people who deserve to die. Or, that the video Siderite posted was actually true. Or, that the nonsense of WND is good, because of the far-right Christian world view world view it presents. Just look at the guff on there, it’s like a copy of Viz! And yourself, supposedly an adult.

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It doesn’t matter if it’s mass murder, propaganda or whatever – never mind the facts, if it doesn’t fit your feelings, then it’s best ignored. If you didn’t ignore it, your world would collapse under the weight of reality. So your support for the Nazi-style execution of harmless civilians – unarmed, young, elderly, sick, disabled will continue.

You know all this, but you’re ashamed to admit it on here, and that’s why you can’t give a straight answer to a straight question, on the numbers of civilian murders you’d support, on the kind of killing to be done, etc. You’d rather deflect and waffle, and hope the questions go away. How should the IDF kill an infant, for example? Care to reflect on that one? Shame!

St Peter is watching JI, and you’ll have a lot of explaining to do. How’s your Hebrew?

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Well, there’s a confession!
Here we have a champion for World News Daily, random propaganda videos, and a supporter of a lying sex offender for US president! Oh, and all the Brexit propganda too.
And he claims he cares about facts!!!
It’s surely a spoof post.

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Gurney … be assured ..I definitely don’t need absolution from you.

You make these claims about Israel’s behaviour being ‘the lesser of two evils’ and how they are right to continue with the massacre but you really can’t find it within yourself to defend them on here. You could give a straight answer to a few simple questions, but you really don’t want to, do you?

That’s because you come on here with an image of yourself as a good Christian with solid, family values, living wholeheartedly by the messages your faith teaches, so you know very well that any admission that more, or even all Palestinians should die would make you appear even more hypocritical and shameful than usual.

Let’s try another question and see how you get on. Tens of thousands of women and children have already been killed with bombs, disease and starvation. These are the realities which you support. But, how should the killing continue? More Israeli bombs? Or more bullets, chasing down the desperate, skeletal victims among the ruins, like in some macabre computer game? Or how about Nazi-style camps, where they could be ‘terminated’ in a tidier, more efficient way, perhaps with a Joy Division on site for the IDF. What do you reckon? What should the IDF do?

So, come on JI, you support the mass murder of civilians by the Israeli state, but how should they be killed in future, and how many? Come on, no waffle or deflection, what’s your answer?

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“It will be 25 years before we can properly assess whether Brexit was good or not.”

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I wonder what JI makes of it.
The lesser of two evils?

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Just Iron wrote:

At no point did I say that innocent civilians ‘deserve’ anything.

That’s because you reply in waffle so you can claim you were misinterpreted.

You might fool yourself with biblical notions of the ‘lesser of two evils’, by which you presumably mean that murdering tens of thousands of babies, children, women, elderly and disabled folk isn’t as bad as taking some Israeli hostages, because the former are Palestinians, so they all deserve it. But this isn’t an eye for an eye, it’s every vital organ being slowly ripped out of thousands of civilians, just for existing, and the callous support you show for it demonstrates not just moral bankrupsty, but borderline psychopathy.

Let me give you a chance to absolve yourself with another question, JI. Given your support for the IDF, if you had the opportunity would you pull the trigger/press the button to shoot/bomb a school/hospital/residential zone where you knew there were civilian families sheltering? It’s the lesser of two evils, right?

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If you’re saying ‘enough’ is enough now, why didn’t you say it before??

But you also suggest here that thousands of Palestinian women, children, elderly, sick and the non-combatants are all somehow deserving of death by bombs, bullets, starvation and disease because Israel is forced to slaughter them, as it’s the ‘lesser of two evils’! How so, JI, how so?

I could understand it in the world of a sociopath or someone with a severe personality disorder, but how is this mass slaughter justified in the world of the good Christian? And if it is, how many deaths will be sufficient for you?

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Still no straight answer JI.
No deflections or waffle, this is a thread about Israel. How many deaths would it take before you’d call ‘enough’?

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Let’s assume Hamas don’t return the hostages. You’d want the killing to go on, even of the women, children and non combatants. How many deaths would you be satisfied with before you’d say ‘Stop’ JI? How many deaths would be enough for you? Go on, give us a number… how about 20,000 women and children? Maybe 40,000 is more like it… I mean, they’re only Palestinians and many had the brass neck to be born there, so they deserve it, right? Or, perhaps all of them, just for having the balls to exist. So, go on JI… tell us how many dead women and kids you’d be happy with.

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It’s precisely this kind of view that ensures the killing on both sides will not stop, and thousands more women, children, sick, disabled and elderly will lose their lives.

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Cross posted above. Sorry!

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