[Pat O’Cake]

Lord Kitchener wrote:

Ferrite wrote:

vader wrote:

It would be interesting to know who wrote this and if Ian is just a pseudonym for a local journo as he seems quite au fait with what’s going, he may even read this board.

He’s a blogger from Worthing who has been writing about clubs in trouble for over a decade. I believe he did a number of articles chronicling the decline of Boston back in the day.

Worthing is a carsie so any opinion from that place is to be ignored.

What has Worthing being a carsie have to do with anything that was written in the article? And while we are on the subject what part of the article would you say is not bang on the money?

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Rory was not at fault for ANY of the goals! It’s all well and good saying the keeper in the 1st half didn’t concede, of course he didn’t as he didn’t have a shot to save!! Why not try blaming the clowns in front of him for not closing down quickly enough instead of letting them get the shot away???

As for the club apologist saying 4 or 5 of Swindon’s players would start for any league 2 team, what an idiotic comment to make, unless of course he has seen every other league 2 club play, one game into the season!

Swindon were bang average and absolutely tore us a new one in the 2nd half!

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Some REAL things that could be done to re-engage with fans:

1. Pre-Season open weekend, fair ground rides, invite local junior football teams for a mini tournament played on the GP pitch, training sessions with some of the 1st team squad and made up with juniors on the training pitch, a farmers market and continental food stalls, Police Dog display team, emergency service vehicles on display, classic car club display, selection of 1st team players attending to sign autographs and chat with fans, invite local bands down to provide live entertainment, have the club shop stocked to the rafters with latest kits and training wear, invite local radio down, prize draw for a pair of season tickets etc…etc…

2. Sort the toilets in all stands so the fans don’t have to stand in an inch of piss when they go to the toilets.

3. Stock match day catering outlets with decent locally sourced food and plenty of it so we don’t sell out 20mins before kick off.

4. Proper Q&A sessions on a regular basis with the club owners where the questions are not hand picked

Just a few ideas off the top of my head!

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Big J wrote:

hough many can see through the tricks of the libtards to normalise sodomy! Such acts were rightfully seen as disgusting and now they are being normalised to protect the feelings of queer snowflakes who can’t handle criticism for their lifestyle choice!

Are the Admins REALLY going to allow vile hatred speech like this on this site?

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Heath

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How about letting people who wish to take the knee do it and those who don’t wish to, don’t? It makes no difference to me either way, each to their own and neither side should be criticised for what they chose to do!

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Heath

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lesgeo wrote:

Just so long as Keith Nobbs doesn’t play for them anymore …

Didn’t Steve Johnson get sent off twice in one season for smacking him?

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I fail to understand why people are so bothered whether they do it or not? Each to their own and it’s no sweat of my arse whether a player choses to take part or not. Live and let live!

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Bucksiron wrote:

I’m not so sure. I can’t believe Swann would want another season like this one if he can avoid it.

Why not? When was the last season that any of us actually enjoyed? In fact when was the last time anyone actually enjoyed a game…anyone??? Nothing changes…well that’s not strictly true, things get worse year on year!

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WonderGoals wrote:

What I mean by active is somebody who’s still involved in football, not somebody dragged from a care home who hasn’t even been involved in football for about 7 or 8 years.

His age has absolutley nothing to do with his ability as a coach, As the likes of Roy Hodgson, Harry Redknapp & Carlo Ancelotti to name but 3 have proved. As for having nothing to do with football for 7 years, he has been caretaker manager of Huddersfield Town on 3 occasions and coached in India in that time.

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Howard has been absolutely shocking and the only people that think differently are those not man enough to admit that our defeats when Rory was in goal were not all down to him even though he was blamed for the majority of them, I was one of the very few (if not the only one) saying our poor form was not down to Rory and last season has proved that to be the case.

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Bucksiron wrote:

Pat, I did not accuse you or anyone else of making anything up! I’m sure you and others have had problems but tell me of any restaurant or catering outlet that is perfect. The point I made at the time was that I hadn’t experienced any problems at all, couldn’t see anyone who had and that I felt the whole issue had been blown completely out of proportion.

None of that means people shouldn’t complain or criticise Swann — in fact the complete opposite. My point was and remains that constructive criticism is far more likely to engender change and improvements than continuous moaning and groaning.

As for Wharton, the criticism he received on this board was unbelievable and appalling. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves. I remember at the time being amazed that Wharton did nothing to stop the comments being made and one thing nobody should criticise Swann for doing is ensuring that he and his family don’t go through what Wharton did.

I’m not asking for them to be perfect, an improvement would be a start but it gets worse and worse every season, that is unacceptable, especially when our owner apparently specialises in the hospitality industry!

I have offered constructive criticism, and offered what in my opinion would be solutions only to be ridiculed by the likes of you and my words twisted into saying things I havn’t.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Xxx wrote:

Pat you can’t complain you were the pie man and as much you talk bollocks you had a cold pie and went off on one. Look back you won’t

Xxx wrote:

Pat you can’t complain you were the pie man and as much you talk bollocks you had a cold pie and went off on one. Look back you won’t

Never once have I complained about a cold pie, I challenge you to prove otherwise, I have complained about supporters not being able to buy one.

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Bucksiron wrote:

Then stop calling me a liar, Pat, for simply offering an opinion! But, surprise, surprise, you just can’t stop yourself, can you.

You seem to think it’s fine to hurl false accusations in my direction but when I refer to pies, which btw was a generic reference to anything and everything to do with catering, which as I recall turned into ‘piegate’, you go mad. Of course the usual suspects back you up, but no surprises there.

As for your points about catering and merchandising I think you’ll find that I agreed the club needed to improve. My point was and remains, however, that the moaning and groaning about these things was way over the top.

As for growing a pair of conkers, I wish you would. All of this just because I didn’t — and still don’t — agree that this was the major issue you claim. I’m very happy to criticise Swann but right now I think there are far bigger things to criticise him about than catering and merchandise. Talk about petulance. I’m sure you’ll find some conkers in the playground if you look hard enough.

By all means have your opinion, you’re entitled to it, but don’t make out others have said things they have not while your doing it.

The only reason piegate as you call it raised it’s head was because YOU and nobody else made reference to them whenever anyone dared to critisise Mr Swann who you wouldn’t have a bad word said against.

I disagree that right now there are far bigger things than catering & merchandise to worry about, while fans have been away it was the perfect opportunity for the owners of the club to look at these VITAL revenue streams and get it right for when fans can come back to the stadium.

You did not agree that the club needed to improve, in fact in one post after you had attended a rare evening game you accused myself and others of making things up and that there were no issues with catering!

Mr Swann made promises when he took the club over and not one of them has come to fruition, the stadium is in a worse state, the fans have never felt so disengaged from the club, the matchday experience is best described as dull (and thats being kind), the hospitality is an absolute circus (corporate and regular), open weekends which were a real link between the club and the fans have been stopped, the one feeble attempt we did make at one was farcical and akin to the family fun day on Peter Kay’s Phoenix Nights, the replica kits are cheap and tacky and not available to buy when the season kicks off, we sell tickets for the family stand and fail to tell the people purchasing them that the bar in that stand has been closed for good before they enter the stadium, the youth system produces nothing anymore, loan signings that don’t give a toss, inept Manager after inept Manager playing the same boring negative football. So there you have it Bucks, need I go on??? because there is plenty more where that came from, my issues with the running of this football club go far deeper than bloody pies!!!!!

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Bucksiron wrote:

Pat, don’t be ridiculous:

1. Someone is perfectly entitled to say they believe (insert name) has an agenda. I believe you have an agenda against the catering at GP. You can’t just say “no I don’t” and then claim that I’m lying. Based on your definition everyone on this board would be serial liars.

2. You’ve criticised the catering at GP on numerous occasions. If I inadvertently said the word “pie” to then accuse me of lying is taking pettiness to the extreme.

The real irony is that accusing someone of lying when they haven’t done so can be grounds for defamation. Not that it would ever be worth it on a board such as this, of course, but the principle remains.

Again, this is more like the playground, so why don’t you take your little mates and run off to get an ice-cream. Obviously not at GP, of course, because according to you there’d undoubtedly be something wrong with it.

1. If you believe someone has an agenda then back it up with some facts or evidence as I have asked you for many times in the past but as always, when challenged on your unfounded allegations you either disappear for a few weeks or accuse others of bullying you for simply calling you out!

2. My critisism of the catering was in direct response to Mr Swann criticising fans for not turning up and him saying revenue income from fans was vital to Scunthorpe United, something I 100% agree with, I have said many times matchday revenue is fundamental to clubs the size of ours, so when I see fans at games with money burning a hole in their pocket but nothing to spend it on then I am going to get wound up about it and rightly so. But it is not just the catering it is the stopping of open weekends, poor quality club shop merchandise, new kits not being available at the start of the season, these are all things I rightly highlighted but you and yer mate completely ignored these points and kept saying I was complaining about pies…..A LIE!!!

And stop banging on about defamation, either grow a pair of conkers and take me on legally or shut up about it! I have all my evidence from simply logging on here…you don’t!

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Bucksiron wrote:

Pat, whenever I’ve offered an opinion about something your inevitable response has been “I said no such thing”, or “so and so said no such thing”. You do this regardless of the fact that I haven’t claimed you or anyone else “said” anything. You’ve then gone on to accuse me of lying. If anyone should be in any doubt just look at your comments above. Exactly the same as always.

In fact your de facto response to any and every opinion I’ve offered is to accuse me of being a liar. All because I referred to pies. Jeez, it’s like a junior school playground. In fact you could do to go back to junior school to understand that when someone offers an opinion about something it does not mean they’re claiming anyone “said” anything.

Ok I will try one last time Bucks and then if you still fail to understand I will give up as this is getting beyond tiresome.

1. When you say that (insert name) has an agenda against Mr Swann or (insert name) hates Mr Swanns wealth, unless you can back that up with facts and or evidence it is an out and out lie, not an opinion.

2. When you say I came out with “ridiculous arguments about pies” when I have done no such thing, this is again a lie not an opiniom.

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Anonymous wrote:

Since when have SUFC been that club that demands it should never struggle in whatever league it plays in.

The league position is only one part of the problem and you know it!

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Rochdale has always been right up their with my favourite away days. For a warm welcome I don’t think you can beat Port Vale, away fans welcomed in the clubhouse, even in colours. Last season a couple of young Vale fans had set up a mini pitch on the clubhouse dance floor and asked my lad if he wanted to join in, lovely people and a cracking pint too!

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Bucksiron wrote:

Pat, that is a joke. I apologise to people who deserve an apology. The number of times you’ve accused me of being a liar would make a libel lawyer blush, even when all that I’ve done is offer an opinion. Yet here you are again hurling false accusations in my direction.

Bucks you have lied on this very thread for Christ Sake!!! How many times do I have to tell you that accusing people of things they have not said or done is LYING NOT AN OPINION!

As for libel, bring it on, I wont need a lawyer, just my login details for this site…..case closed.

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Bucksiron wrote:

Heavens, I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had insults hurled in my direction by you, Pat, to say nothing of the numerous accusations of ‘lying’ you’ve made when all that I’ve offered is an opinion. Now here you are at it again. My recollection is that you were moaning and groaning about pies, either running out or being cold, or maybe it was pasties, I can’t remember, frankly, but it was certainly food-related.

I insulted you ONE time and then posted later apologising as I was out of order (something you have never done or are man enough to do) The lying accusation I will not apologise for as you have lied numerous times, and even on this very thread! Accusing people of saying things they have not or having agenda’s that they dont have is not an opinion it is lying!!

If you had bothered to read my posts properly in the past the only complaints I made about food was the catering and hospitality as a whole, Swann was banging on about the club needing more income, yet we have lines of people on a matchday wanting to spend money at the refreshment outlets and bars but there is nothing to spend it on as their is either no stock or not enough people to serve it! All justified complaints when every single revenue stream is vital to a small club such as ours!

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It’s difficult not to rise to a bloke that makes up blatant lies about me, he is entitled to his point of view but he shouldn’t need to make up lies about others to make it!

His double standards and rank hypocrisy make me sick.

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You accuse me of cheap shots and then accuse me of going on about pies, something I have NEVER mentioned, the irony is unbelievable!!!

You backed the chairman despite, failed promises on the stadium, employing inept manager after inept manager, a shambolic transfer policy, a matchday experience that was nothing short of abysmal (not that you would know as you don’t attend games but think you have the right to tell us that do that we are wrong).

You cant have it both ways bucks, you accused myself and others of having an agenda and hating Swanns wealth with absolutley zero evidence to back it up and now when you can no longer defend the indefensible you think you can just change your mind without such an apology to those of us you spouted lies, misquotes and utter bullshine about. No, no, no it doesnt work that way, others may have forgotten the bile you posted on here but I have not!

Oh! and last of all, moaning and groaning may achieve nothing, but neither does blindly clapping like a preforming seal as you and your pal have been doing!

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When myself and others tried telling you this a long, long time ago we were all patronised by you and the other Swann loving clown and accused of having agenda’s and hating his wealth. Well you can stick yer post and opinions up yer backside after the lies you told about us!

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Some of you are a joke on here, STILL having a pop at Rory when the lads not even playing, it was bad enough you all blaming him and forgeting there are 10 players on the pitch the ball has to get past before it gets to him!!!

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Well that would obviously depend on how many others were interested and what they would be willing/able to do wouldnt it? In any event it wouldnt be something I would be willing to discuss on an internet forum.

And for the record I didnt say it was the right way to go or that it would be successful I said it would be worth looking into thats all!

If you change nothing then nothing changes, some maybe willing to sit on their hands doing nothing and just hoping for the best because they think there is no other option, I believe there is always another option but enough people have to want it!

At the very least I would be interested to find out how the likes of Wimbledon, Exeter & FCUM have managed to make it work?

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I would be interested in going down the fan ownership route or at least finding out what interest there would be.

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Is this really how far we have slumped??? Reduced to blaming our choice of kit for poor form? What colours did we play in under Nigel Adkins?

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Even Bucks an Up The Iron have stopped defending the undefendable.

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vader wrote:

The club can’t support itself financially without Swanns support it would be bankrupt

How on earth did we survive all the pre Swann years?

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We have one already

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4 goals in 36 appearances

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