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He seems a man of his word reading through all of the things promised when he took over at Ilkeston and what he’s delivered. The club is in a much better state than when he took over there, so that’s all very positive. As others have stated, he will have to be worth more than 1.22m, but he must be worth more than that estimate online as it looks like he has invested around that at Ilkeston alone.
It’s worth checking as if he defaulted on the mortgage then the bank or whoever loaned him the money would probably have the right to seize it so I don’t think he should be able to legally take a mortgage on it without informing the council as effectively it’s tantamount to a sale. What’s to stop him otherwise transferring it to another company and mortgaging it up to the eyeballs.
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The key question is the mortgage one. Is it legal to take a mortgage, which would probably have a lien on the stadium if it is a protected community asset without prior approval from the council. I suspect that one is shaky ground for Swann but it would be interesting to hear from someone with relevant legal knowledge.
With the stadium being an asset of community value. If anyone knows someone with legal expertise, it would be worth finding out if it was even legal for Swann to take a mortgage on it. A mortgage puts a claim on it and that doesn’t seem to me as something that would be. It’s important to be pragmatic. If the club went into administration but owned its own stadium they would almost certainly find a very good solution to get out of this mess. The last thing administrators want to do is liquidate. Look at how long they gave Derby etc. The key is to have assets. Usually non secured creditors get a rough deal of 20 p on the £ or something similar but Swann caused that and then suddenly you have a 600k debt to find instead of 3m and if the stadium mortgage was illegal a much more valuable asset than the debt. Then it’s off to the races.
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So you know what Swann wants and what they bid?
The amounts were on twitter. I can’t remember who leaked them. Sharpe and co offered 1.25m for the club, stadium and training ground but that wasn’t for the surrounding land. Swann wanted 3.5m for the lot.
SST would have seen it on twitter. I’ll have a look to see if I can find it. Not sure why it matters because they aren’t even in the running any more.
Elliot on the radio alluded to the fact they could have paid the asking price but would then not have the funds to keep the club running smoothly, which is understandable. No way in a million years they had the 3.5mil, plus would have had the money to pay the bills owed and pay player and staff wages.
Everything factored in you’re looking at what, around 5mill ?. The loan needs paying he got against the ground, plus the tax bill and then operating costs, wages e.t.c. Pretty costly !
Looking at last year’s accounts, which are 10 months old, the creditors falling due over 1 year were 2.14m. That has risen by the tax not being paid at least, assuming all other creditors are paid up to date and then there any other increases since 30th June 2021, which let’s face it, there’s probably going to have been so whoever buys the club is at a guesstimate taking on a 3m debt that needs servicing. If I was the buyer I would insist on any debt due to coolsilk or any related parties being wiped out but it’s hard to see how much of it that is. 317k definitely is so that would go but then of the roughly 2.7m remaining more could be masked. The thing is he has got what he wanted which was the stadium and land around it. The club is now a hindrance for him as he’s already got what he wanted. That’s why whatever anyone says doesn’t really matter what they do at the end is what their intention was all along. I’m surprised he was able to get a mortgage though on the land with the covenant in place.
I don’t think Alan Hardy should be taking a swipe at anybody on Twitter. Didn’t he post a very embarrassing picture whilst Chairman of Notts County on there? I remember that and the Notts County fans couldn’t wait for him to go. Smurthwaite was a disaster at Port Vale too. Nothing looking great at the moment. Even the Sharpe and Co bid it does make you wonder how they will fund the club if they seem to be lacking money already. We need a fan to win the lottery it looks like.
Really great news if they’ve managed to pull it off. Out of the two parties, they were the ones that seemed to have the clubs best interests at heart. Wow. Let’s hope the closing is just a formality now and there are no changes but after the club releasing an official statement then it’s looking done.
If they’ve managed to do this deal, which can’t have been easy at all, then there’s no telling where this could lead. Thanks, and well done.
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Do they have the required funds more to the point? I hope so
Indeed, a fans backed consortium, six million quid required.
This is the thing. 6m gets the club and stadium, but as per the last accounts in 2021, there is a 2.2m debt to be serviced. Then you need realistically someone with similar money to invest again over the next few years to start heading back in the right direction. How much is the football league parachute payment? That goes after next year unless by some miracle we stay up and get promoted next year. On the plus side revenue would likely increase as attendances would go up and I honestly think that would even be the same if we were in NLN next year but under new ownership. Hopefully something comes up and soon. It’s a really hard deal to get done though at the price he is looking for.
How much empathy would Swann show to someone who wanted to knock a few million off the asking price because of Covid, cost of living crisis, and rising energy prices? None. Plus the fact we are non-league, and unless by some miracle, we get promoted before the end of next season back to L2 then the parachute payments are gone and the new owner has to find even more money to plug that gap.
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It’s as good as saying it’s not for sale.
So, does it trundle on until administration knocks on the front door?
I really hope not, but it does look like it’s headed that way. The only other viable solution I can see is a deal for a token pound with someone with enough money and ready to support the club and invest in it to get free again and take on all debt except any owed to coolsilk/Swann. Let Swann keep the stadium as that’s all he’s interested in and either lease for a peppercorn rent for a couple of years on the basis that the club will be looking for a new ground or groundshare until the new one is ready. It’s not ideal but in the short term it gets a breakaway from him and in the long term building a new stadium and surrounding area even if its in stages would be like a fresh start but whilst keeping identity
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If it’s 6-8m, who is ever going to pay that unless they intend to just try and make money from the land/development? It just seems like he’s asking for a delusional amount of money. To turn the club around you’re going to need someone willing to invest say 1m a year potentially for the next 10 years. That’s 16-18m someone needs to be willing to risk to turn things around. I’m which case you need someone with a net worth quite a few multiples higher which isn’t easy in the national league and even harder in NLN. The only other option is someone comes in takes finance from a bank/financial institution to bring in income. That model makes sense but it involves borrowing money at a time of increasing interest rates and puts the entire club at risk if it fails. He’s trying to recoup money lost from the time the club was leagues above at a time the club is leagues below and in difficult financial times. It’s as good as saying it’s not for sale.
I think he wants to sell but at something like 6m, which is a delusional price. Just a guess though so who really knows. I also think he probably just sees the club as a hindrance now to an exit with the stadium and the land built on it. His interest in the club has long gone.
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True. Buyers or sellers market though I’ve no doubt he is looking for a sellers market price in what is a buyers market. He will be trying to recoup losses from when the club was leagues above by means of selling the stadium for development or try to find someone with so much money that they will actually buy it to keep as a stadium. The chances seem slim to none in the National League and God forbid NLN if the worse happens. I think the earlier suggestion of someone buying the club for a token pound but with enough money behind them to invest in the club and then ground share until a new one can be built is the only way of change happening. Swann will then sell the ground to a developer. Hope I’m wrong but it seems the only way of parting company at the moment barring administration, which will basically have the same result but with a points deduction and changes enforced to the club name etc.
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The liverpool owners have done it the right way and shown how owners serious about selling a club would go about it. The club is for sale and the asking price is 4bn. It’s that simple, announce that the club is up for sale and the price it is for sale at. That weeds out any people that aren’t serious or don’t have the money required, then all the nonsense about potential buyers not being able to provide proof of funds etc is nipped in the bud before any time is wasted. The only reason for him not to announce the price is if something said before would then be proven to be false relating to the stadium or whatever. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
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If he’s serious about selling the club he needs to give an indication of price and a contact email at the club for prospective buyers to contact. That immediately gets rid of anybody being interested but not having enough funds or entering negotiations and the price changing because he moves the goalposts. If you’re selling your house and you want to save time then you put a price up with it then anyone that is interested and it’s something they can afford enters advanced negotiations. The only reason not to is he’s not serious or he has something to hide that will look really greedy to supporters and contradict previous commitments.
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The lack of transparency is as always the problem. If the club is for sale then why not put a price out there? The only reason not to is because he may look greedy. If you put your house up for sale you mention a price. That then weeds out all the timewasting or tyre kickers. Then it’s easy. Anyone interested that has the money sends proof of funds, signs an NDA and they go through the legal process, simple. As it is at the moment someone has to somehow find a way to contact him, sign an NDA if he thinks they are rich enough to maybe milk, then he can name his price which is likely extortionate and they are bound under the NDA terms to not mention it. Loads of time wasted unnecessarily to find out that he perhaps wants more than anyone will be willing to pay. Most likely it’s designed to be as difficult as possible for the reasons above or he wants to keep hold of the stadium so needs an NDA in place before any figure is mentioned.
I’ve been watching that Wrexham docuseries on Ryan Reynolds and Rob Mcelhenney taking over there. One of the latest episodes has a whole bit on a previous owner who was a disbarred lawyer due to mortgage fraud who put a puppet in, took over the club and transferred out the stadium and land into another company then racked up debts on the club to try and put it into administration. I sincerely hope that I am wrong but it was the exact modus operandi that seems to be happening here. I think all fans should watch that episode. Thankfully their fans managed to gather together and saw him off but it was eerily similar to what is happening. He has played it very cleverly by running up debts that he incurred then transferring the assets to himself essentially to cover his own debts. Those with the least amount of scruples tend to be the most devious. Don’t let him demoralise you though as there are people from afar who love football and can’t stand the way you are being treated as fans and will be considering ways to protect the proud club for the fans, the community and the town.
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Regardless of whatever someone says, especially someone know to be dishonest, whatever their actions result in at the end is what they intended all along. Swann’s only care was separating the club from the stadium and land that it owned and getting his hands on that. The land will make him money and the club costs money. If the club is put into administration or sold for a token amount to someone who detests this kind of thing happening to football clubs, their fans and their communities, one thing seems certain and that is he is keeping the stadium and land. If someone buys it now as a lover of football but with enough money to keep the club afloat, stabalize, try and invest in the club to get it moving back up the pyramid and find a new ground then I very much doubt that they being businessmen themselves would want Swann getting another penny over a token pound purchase, they would rather the money go into the club as it’s going to need plenty, especially if a new stadium is going to be needed in a few years. Presumably for a period of time it would negotiable to lease the ground until a new site is sorted and built. He claims the club is up for sale and he’s looking for buyers but how would anyone make contact anyway?
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