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Crikey,Renee .. that was the sort of speculation that kicks in when you post at 2 am. Get some sleep :)

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A good read. Do they have the advantage of 3 legged players, Deerey?

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My preference has always been for nuts and fruitcake, Gurney. Better than sour grapes.:)

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There goes that ‘dossier’ again, Gurney. How many volumes does it run to …and how much time do you spend perusing it?
(In this case I suspect your facts are faulty.Are you sure I wasn’t quoting you?)

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Secret ballot in our election for a reason, Deerey. Abuse of those with different political views always a threat.
Happy to tell you …in this ‘safe space’ where my following statement is unlikely to ‘trigger’ an ideologue activist .. that I’m not keen on the Tories. They won’t be getting my vote.

My ‘hunch’ above was only a tongue in cheek observation of 64s relentless postings to try to generate some interest in a forum that, as predicted, has narrowed down to a hard-core who pretty well share the same outlook on a range of issues.

Hope that doesn’t elicit too much outrage … though the mere presence of my moniker on a post now seems to be a red red to Gurney et al, no matter what pearls of wisdom I am sharing. JI is the new Bucks … as well as Les of course.

ps On a train from Leeds to London and a bit bored. That’s my excuse.:)

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WonderGoals wrote:

Typical geriatric humour no doubt. Typo of course. The culprit being a missing c !

Just a bit of banter, WG. No offence intended.
But speaking of typos …and geriatric humour ..

A Priest, a Pastor and a Rabbit went to give blood. When asked about their blood group the Rabbit said :’I think I’m a Type O.’

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Math fit? Something doesn’t add up!

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Been intending to … but haven’t been since October. I always buy a rod licence but only manage 4 or 5 times each year. Thank goodness for ‘The Ginger Fisherman’ et al on You Tube to give me some kind of ‘fix.’

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Only if you’re buying. My schooling fees don’t come cheap.

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Speaking of which … I fancy a go at those perch at Rodley sometime soon. See you in the Barge afterwards.

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No hard feelings. I just got drawn in.
(‘You’re’ not your. Full stop after JI then a capital letter. No comma before again.)
I think your advice is good. I should stay away and will do my best.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Reading some JI posts over recent yearas the word standard does seem a little OTT, a few misplaced colon’s hear and there seem quite amusing by comparison.

Full stop rather than comma after OTT, IA. The end of a sentence and all that. Even worse is the apostrophe in colons. It’s plural not possessive you see.
No offense intended. I was just trying to help you since you have schooled me so expertly on US politics, faith issues and the complexities of the Middle East. Least I could do.

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Iron-awe wrote:

Careful DM, BPG, LK and JI will be welling up, show some compassion.

The only nostalgia this thread has engendered in me is a longing for the days when we were taught punctuation. Please get those sentences sorted out.

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Agreed.

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If that satisfies you IA then go with it. It’s become clear that I should take another break I think.
Just got my tickets for Saturday ..but having to sit for first time since early 90s. (Was told that hypocrites not allowed in Donny Road :)

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Donny Road end sold out. Having to sit for first time in 30 years.

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I could explain how I see it ..again..if I thought there was a genuine interest .. but .. there isn’t. We all know that. So I won’t. :)

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Definitely not ,Iron Age. That’s why I didn’t use a term like ‘ so called Christians.’

As for ,Gurney having a laugh boys … I would be happy to brighten his day.

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Maybe you’re on the path to proving yourself to be the ‘right’ kind of Christian Iron Age … one that doesn’t rattle Gurney’s cage too much. Not like those of us ‘deplorables’ who have differing views to him and, in so doing, have failed to recognise the profound level of self awareness he consistently manifests and the total lack of any self delusion. He asks us all ‘What would Jesus say?’ I suspect he thinks that it would be something like : ‘ You committed the unforgiveable sin. You failed to recognise the profound depth of Commissar Gurney’s wisdom, insight and love for all. Kneel before him, repent and await your instructions.’

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… and Gurney once again bandies his irrational animus in a seething rant against a range of folks who might have the audacity to dissent from his never defined worldview .. Christians in included. 0% self awareness. 100% delusion. You got that right …
just failed to realise that it’s projecting from the mirror right in front of you. Write it on your own cap ol’ pal .. and wear it til you’ve grown out of it.

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.. oh. You got in first… sounds like my further comments won’t be welcomed but they are sincerely made.

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I actually edited that last post ..but it didn’t take!! This was the edit ..now as a follow up.

Reading my reply to you Heath does come across as a ‘gotcha’ .. and probably takes us nowhere. I’ve had some good discussions with you in the past, Heath. Nor so much recently. I don’t want to get embroiled in a ‘squabblefest’. I’m not on the forum so much .. but maybe .. as an ‘olive branch’.. we could take the approach that there could be something to be learned from hearing different perspectives. ( I know!! Even that sounds preachy. Best I could do!!)

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..and a position that you are entitled to take Heath. Just as my dislike of it for the reasons given is my prerogative.
Your last explanation comes across as pretty lame to be fair. You use the forum to ‘debate and respond to items of interest’ but reserve the right to ignore points made and make it personal because someone calls you out when you ignore points made and get personal.
Any thoughts on those 3 points by the way?

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I wasn’t aware of some of the postings Deerey so you weren’t wasting your time and thanks for bothering. Yes. Alot of unsavoury stuff there. He’s definitely proved himself crude, mouthy and immature over the years. As I said .. for many in the USA it feels like the lesser of two evils.It feels a bit less polarised here..but not much.
My reply was lengthy .. and contained some other issues than just racism and Trump. Any thoughts on other points?

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A reasonable response, Deerey. Thanks. BPG and Bucks were obvious examples of dissenting voices to cite. I’m surprised that you think that Bill hasn’t pulled back. Bill’s and my spat was more ‘off forum’ but leaked on to here.I do think it would be disputatable that I would be the one having the biggest ‘beef’ with Bill on forum topics.
I also do think that there has been a tendency to make things personal instead of engaging with the substance of posts. Some posters,for example, obviously feel passionately about the Israel issue and I think that this passion can make people unreasoned. I was unimpressed when my 3 points re the Hamas sourced casualty figures were never acknowledged and instead met with personal and negative comments.( I have tried to ‘stay low’ on this but, at risk of playing the ‘martyr’, have far more skin in the game than the average poster. This risks putting more petrol to the flames but my son in law .. 40 year old father of my 3 Israeli grandkids … has just arrived back from the Gaza area and our daughter has sent us the clip of the kids welcoming him back. They have connection with families whose Dad’s are never coming back. I mention this to try to illustrate to the forum some of the personal pressures I have been navigating.) My ‘amateur psychology’ may well be provocative .. tell me anyone who finds it easy to have their motivations challenged. But the challenges I have made were not out of spite or to try to be ‘top dog.’ They were made to confront the notion that it’s valid to respond to challenging perspectives by ignoring substance and throwing out personal insults.
Finally .. thankfully I hear someone say :) … I am always happy to be helped. I don’t care where it comes from as long as it’s real. Trump has many flaws and I could list them. Any assessment of previous ‘admiration’ on my part surprises me. I wish there were other more attractive options for my American family at present. But we don’t always get our wishes. What I would say ..again.. is that sometimes we have to go with the most attractive of pretty crummy options. The lesser of evils and all that. It seems to me that the term ‘racist’ is bandied about alot at present .. the ultimate character assassination. That’s actually where I joined this particular thread if you recall. I was hoping to explore that issue ..but I was disappointed that you made the assertion that I wasn’t to be taken seriously. Linking Trump to ‘racism’ is clearly self evident to you and many others. I would be interested in your definition of racism and, from that, to see the the examples in Trump’s history. I don’t like racists and would never vote for a racist.

An after thought. You assert that I should ‘well know’ that within ‘the basic rules of engagement’ everyone is welcome. If that is to be lived up to in future then posters, especially mods, should be quicker to push back on those who assert that someone is posting under another name so that all the ‘sins’ of others can be layed at their door. Equally a mild reprimand might be in order when someone gets irritated and tells another poster to ‘do one.’ It would feel more welcoming then.

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The perfect ‘trump’ cards played. First free floating references to racism with no definition or hard evidence cited and then discredit by association.. with a little dig from the ‘dossier’ to finish.
Then the ‘ace’ .. having personalised previous posts to avoid substance .. leverage the old ‘me,me ,me martyrdom’ jibe.
Anybody would think my views aren’t welcome :)

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I don’t support any form of racism, Deerey…that’s for sure. Not sure where the Trump comment fits in … nor why you choose to be so dismissive about my contributions.
Re some folks being unreasonable and lacking respect ..are you suggesting I shouldn’t refer to my experiences because it might not ‘go down too well?’
If I were as invested in this forum as you are I would welcome folks like me who bring a bit of difference, try to keep it respectful and can lay out an argument. Instead my genuine questions re Hamas sourced casualty figures in Gaza remained unanswered and were met with petty jibes. Equally any mention of my Christian faith has been regularly met from some quarters with a cocktail of sneers and red herrings. It didn’t used to be like this. I remember reasonable exchanges with you, IA and even Heath. Now its ‘racism’, Trump and ‘why don’t you do one?’ My suspicion is that now that Bucks and BPG have gone and Sidey is ‘on side’ on everything but Israel .. theres only JI left to have a pop at.
Next time I decide to make a contribution how about resisting the urge to find ‘ammo’ dredged up from Gurney’s dossier and instead treat me as a discussion partner. Not everyone who sees the world differently is necessarily thick, deluded or evil. Maybe ..in the interests of keeping the forum alive ..as well as decency .. those inclined to personalise instead of staying on topic could even be asked to reconsider. That would be good.

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It’s not OK to target, discriminate or denigrate people because of ethnicity. Racism is wrong.
One’s belief system ..including religious beliefs .. are nothing to do with race. If you don’t like someone’s belief system then ..within the bounds of reason and respect ..it should be OK to say so. That has certainly been the approach on this site ..with the few exceptions where reason and respect have eluded the odd one or two. My own faith has been challenged many times on various threads..sometimes respectfully and at others with less reasonableness and respect. None of it was racism.

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Yep. It’s C for me too.

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