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I wasn’t referring to Newsom or California … just to Bill’s ref about Trump being taken out and that being dismissed as conspiracy theory. That was all.
Re California. I don’t think the present Governor has done anything other than a terrible job. If he were to emerge as a Biden replacement then I think his record in California would go against him.

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Better team won ..but only just. Narrow margins and all that .. especially on their second goal. No complaints ..but it still hurts.

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Iron-awe wrote:

JI and bpg maybe having a magic mushroom moment, anyhow you could still respond to the point I made JI if you wish.

My response was to NIs lament that Trump didn’t have a JFK experience and you dont need magic mushrooms to be disgusted by that. (I didn’t know non mods could self erase, Deerey. If he did ..then maybe the shame DID kick in).
IA … I think you knew that the challenge I was making was the ‘conspiracy’ reference that you made to BPG regarding Trump being taken out.
Your last post above was the most sensible.

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I’m definitely not happy ..but I suppose I did invoke the Mods.
For those who missed it NI lamented that assassins of today aren’t as accurate as those of the 1960s so that now we have a ‘victim’ instead of having a candidate he doesn’t like murdered.
I labelled this as disgusting …which it is … and said he should grow the hell up ..which he should.

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What!!!??? My initial post deleted???? Can the Mod who did that get on here and explain the decision? Once NI posted the disgusting, childish guff and it was publicly aired the ‘conversation’ should have stood.

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ps IA … any rethinking on your comments towards BPG ?

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Such creativity and imagination …and so understated! We have some cool dudes in our marketing dept. First time in years that I fancy going and buying a shirt.

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Did some more research for my Thesis. Promotion in 1958. Tories!! Submitted for Peer Review but no one will publish!

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Attlee PM for Labour in 1950 …the year we joined the Football League. 72 years later we crashed out under a Tory Govt. This is leaving the ranks of banter and rapidly becoming ‘settled science.’

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Great title, Deerey. Thought it was a Climate Change thread straying onto the wrong side.

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Agreed that Southgate should move on …win or lose… as much for himself as for us. I share the view that he is overly cautious ..assuming the players are following instructions … but it’s infinitely better to see England in semis and finals than the dismal record I have endured since they won the World Cup on my 14th Birthday. Southgate should take some credit ..
at least for building team spirit, resilience etc

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The nation waits for a major semi with a half decent chance of progressing. And the departure, even sacking of the manager ..even if we were to progress to the final and then win it .. would be ‘THE BEST RESULT EVER FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM.’
Come home Ironfromafar … there may be more help available here.

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Not sure I’d say it’s anti semitic. Just opportunistic, ill judged …. and silly. Smacks of desperation I think.

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There’s no amount of ‘cleaning up my act ‘ will do me any good ‘ol pal. You think that all your made up defamations put me in a bad light? You dont know the half.

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Had another look at that last couple of posts of yours Gurney. You really are a piece of work aren’t you?
Since you have such a detailed dossier on me I invite the posting on here of ‘dreadful websites/ books’ recommended by me. World News Daily is something I’ve never heard of let alone watched or fawned over yet, in your morally perverted universe, truth and respect are irrelevant when the whole point is defamation. Just alleging that posts are ‘biased rubbish’ isn’t an argument.
I guess it’s obvious where your real motivation lies. You detest the fact that I have consistently and reasonably been happy to share my Christian faith when I felt it appropriate and it drives you crazy. It seeps into every response you make to anything I post.
When I’ve responded previously to your personalised and vitriolic flailings … you play your ‘trump card.’ …. ‘Don’t make it all about you JI.’ The very definition of delusion and projection.
To play the Nazi card to someone who ..as your dossier tells you .. has Holocaust survivors in his family circle and Israeli grandchildren is the lowest form of depravity in this current time of anguish.
You upbraid me for lacking ‘concern, compassion or sympathy’ yet all I have seen of your approach on the forum is a man without honesty or moral scruples, incapable of empathising with others and basking in a misguided sense of his own superiority.
It would be quite something if any of the above gave you a pang of conscience about your conduct. I pray that it might. There could be a better future. We might even learn some things from each other.

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Gurney … since online forums attract such ‘blinkered and biased’ folks as myself and therefore ‘its a fools errand to debate issues such as Palestine’ .. why on earth have you just submitted paragraph after tedious paragraph on this very subject?
Your lack of self awareness is lamentable ..but also laughable. From where I sit you see the forum as an opportunity to demonise anyone who offers a different perspective to yourself…with a particular animus towards people of faith. As I’ve said before .. mean spirited, nasty and totally lacking in humility.

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I won’t be watching any replays either, MK …. and I’m certainly not defending Southgate or the performances. Having said that … it’s a fine line between opponent’s mistakes and creating opportunities. Kane’s goal seems to be seen by many as a defensive error. If I was that defender I’d be sick … but not beating myself up too much. For me it was created by the electrifying pace and opportunistic aggression of Walker. A lot of opportunities get ‘handed’ to teams because of pressure and the defensive mistakes that occur as a result.
If Kane’s header had gone in then different story. The same with Foden in the next game.
In both games, against decent teams, we looked good enough in the early stages. What frustrates is the seeming inability to push on and consolidate when we clearly have great talent. A win and two or three goals on Tuesday night and the mood changes. Over to Gareth!

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ps what was going on with that pitch!!!? No excuses intended …same for both teams … but that was not acceptable at a major tournament. It nearly put Walker out of the tournament. Strange to see given the usual German precision and efficiency.

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MK Iron wrote:

We have played 2 games and not actually created 3 opportunities never mind missed 3 sitters.

I certainly didnt enjoy either performance but lets not exaggerate. Just off the top of my head I can recall two goals, Kane hitting the bar, Foden hitting the post, same fellah skying a chance he had created and would bury on any given Saturday. That’s five without even thinking.

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Thanks for an actual response to my post Fifty Pence. I recognise that it seemed like I was addressing you personally re the ‘termination of a State.’ By that point I was generalising …sorry for giving the wrong impression.
Are you aware that the ‘blockade’ was as much by Egypt as Israel? Why would that be? My understanding is that the measures were taken to try to prevent weapons being brought in. Since Gaza was handed back to the Palestinians a couple of decades ago the population has been one of the fastest growing anywhere on earth. Some Genocide. I have also been diligently looking for the footage of starving children and evidence of mass famine in recent weeks. Believe me … that footage would be on every channel had the Israelis genuinely blocked all aid shipments. My take is that I wish the searches and restrictions over the years had been more effective so that Hamas would not have had the means to start this debacle. Not an easy task since materials legitimately entering for pipework and other infrastructure was routinely sequestered by Hamas for rockets and concrete was diverted for tunnel construction.
The people who have paid the greatest price in Israel were the progressive, socially conscious peaceniks of the Gaza border Kibbutzim and the attendees at the Nova festival. Many worked alongside Gazans and gave hospitality not realising that some would hand their knowledge as Intel to the insurgents. The ‘land for peace and reconciliation’ movement in Israel has been crushed in blood and tears. They just want their mothers and children and brothers released from Hamas hell and then to be kept safe by the IDF.

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No mention of Walker. I remember one misplaced pass that caused us problems … but my main recollections are of several blistering runs and especially the one that created a goal out of nothing.

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No bristling here. Just a detailed post refuting statements made by 64 and Fifty Pence about Israel and inviting an on topic response. Then another post pointing out that Gurney had done the usual .. ranting about religion and presumed political beliefs. Absolutely nothing relating to the points I had made.
Were I to guess who else would jump in with the same approach, IA, you would be high on the list and you haven’t disappointed. Why not just read my first post, apply yourself and give a reasoned response? Otherwise you could leave yourself open to giving the appearance of just denigrating anyone who doesn’t agree with your perspective. That seems to be Gurney … and it’s small minded and nasty. Maybe you’re really better than that ..but just a little bit lazy?

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Since your only tactic is the avoidance of issues and personal attacks I thought you might bless us with your religious bigotry and political gaslighting, Gurney. Not one point addressed as usual ..just an opportunistic venting of spleen. It may have escaped your notice my toxic, myopic friend .. I wasn’t talking to you!!
I will await the possibility of less emotive and mature engagement. Again …let’s see.

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64 … Israel bears no comparison to Saddam’s Iraq. To use your debating methodology..That statement is bilge.

Fifty Pence … I’m a decent person. I’m certainly against atrocities. I’m definitely appalled at the events of October 7th, the murder, abuse and kidnapping of men, women and children. Not to mention the thousands of rockets which rained down on Israeli citizens for weeks in the build up. If and when Israel finally makes a drastic response to the thousands of missiles being launched by Hizbullah from Lebanon … strangely ignored by most media ..I anticipate further vilifying of Israel. They probably won’t however be vilified by the 100,000 Israelis currently displaced from homes , businesses and communities for the last 6 months. I also hate the carnage of war ..but accept that Government’s have a duty to defend and rescue their own citizens.
If we want genuine atrocities to wring our hands over then, if Hamas and Hizbullah and Iran are going to be given a free pass for some perverse reason by ‘decent people’, then how about the butchery in Syria or the real and current genocide in Sudan? I suspect that the real answer is this …there’s no Jews involved!
To go one step further. What year was Pakistan ‘created’? How many deaths have been a consequence of that decision? Is any ‘decent person’ calling for the termination of that country? No. There’s no Jews involved you see.
I could wish that my questions and challenges would produce a reasoned discussion where my points are properly addressed ..but I suspect that the responses will be more from the 64 school of debate. I hope not.

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Also ..re his future. He has a few trophies … If the chance of a return to Villa came up he should bite their hands off.

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No axe to grind for Grealish. Maybe the number of fouls he consistently draws in very dangerous areas should be recognised. Whether its enough to elevate him is enough I don’t know. As an impact player in a tense situation those 3 or 4 free kicks won could make the difference.

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ps I remember Currie repeatedly tying his full back in knots … and then sitting on the ball!

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Agreed. Grealish has more competition than Shaw ..and I definitely think a fit Grealish would be a great option for any team at the Euros. I don’t know so much about his off field stuff but probably don’t think it’s affected his selection. Could be wrong but I think it’s down to lack of game time at City plus all our ‘riches’ being midfield and attack.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

Suggesting Grealish didn’t make the squad due to behaviour and personality

Don’t think so. Not consciously anyway. Tony Currie epitomised the maverick, unpredictable flair type of player referenced by NI in his list. He was a muscular so and so too ..and Grealish just sprang to mind.
For what it’s worth I think that Grealish would probably have been in the squad had he had more games and fewer injuries recently.

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Northumbiron wrote:

The corporate England setup doesn’t like mavericks or unpredictable flair. It started back with Ramsey and Revie and continues to this day. ‘

Can’t disagree NI. Tony Currie also sprang to mind … a few more caps I think but definitely under appreciated. Grealish is similar to him … but far more predictable.

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