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BRI ‘Not sure I agree here, because I don’t agree with the idea that there should be no such thing as a nation state and can’t think of many who do. I think this is a rather unfair characterisation of the situation.’

Fair point BRI. It’s far too simplistic .. but I do think that push back against a perceived threat of ‘loss of sovereignty’, ‘unaccountable leadership’ etc was a primary motivating force for many who voted to leave. Characterising leave voters as ‘racist’ or ‘naive’ or ‘self centred’, as some are doing, seems to me at least equally simplistic. I think even the most ardent Brexiteer would probably accept the benefits of a return to the days of a Common Market.
( ps Thank you for your supportive comment regarding Gurney’s decision to stick with his defamatory and hypocritical tactics regarding my posts. I have definitely rattled his cage at some point in the past and would love to know what the trigger was. I did ask at one point but he’s in too deep to deal with me as a fellow human. I suspected that it was too much to ask for a climb down. Hope all goes well for everyone in the New Year.)
Pps Yes. Should by now be on the non football.

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On topic. Is anyone surprised by the fact that, whatever the pros and cons of Brexit, it exposes a deepseated fundamental rift between those who are far from convinced that nation states are the best way for the mass of humanity to co exist on the planet and those who do. All the rest is just detail.
Off topic. I am happy to have highlighted the duplicity of Gurney in my post above. If calling him a hypocrite is too harsh .. presumably because he couldnt see how such moralistic postings as the one quoted above are irreconcilable with his previous tactics …. then a simple acknowledgment and apology does the trick. Shall I hold my breath?

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Gurney said : ‘Yet, the whole Brexit exercise has been based on soundbites, fantasies and downright lies. It’s been like an illegal advertising campaign for a non-existent product, which has left the ‘leavers’ in love with an idea or fantasy, rather than anything tangible which would improve their daily lives. Y

That’s why, when Brexiters are asked for their reasons, most say exactly what AWG and others have said on here, with ‘arguments’ which aren’t supported by the facts at all. That’s because it’s hard to deny the power of the charlatan who has gained your trust / confidence. Once he has gained that, he has control over you for many years, since to break free is to admit you’ve been had. It’s like with strong religion.

True, the argument for ‘remain’ wasn’t made effectively. It’s always harder to defend the status quo. You could tell everyone about the advantages of membership, but if others can show that the UK pays in more than it gets back, even just £100, and circulate a lie about an immigrant accordion player getting benefits to repair to his bellows, it makes for shocking headlines in the populist sections of the media, the twitter trolls are mobilized to punch down even harder on their keyboards, while the Greek chorus on here pipes up with renewed vigour.

So, in the end, we should blame the liars for their deceit and cunning, not the lied to. Show some compassion for the conned, and all that. It’s Xmas after all.’

And this from the one who resorted over a lengthy period on the non football section to propounding the theory, with no explanation or justification, that myself and at least one other poster were the same person posting under different names. A conspiracy theory devised to stifle my voice because he didn’t like my views and openness. It meant that he could associate me with all sorts of views that I never voiced … so avid a pursuer of truth and righteousness is our Gurney. Even several of the regular posters there seemed uncomfortable with the tactic but, apart from BRI who seemed to find it distasteful, the only other voices suggested I shrug it off and ignore him. I chose to stay off the Bru .. I’m not a regular poster anyway .. but reading the above was too much. You are are a hypocrite Gurney. Like those you purport to despise .. those twisters and exploiters who further their self centred cause .. you are so into your virtuous ideological stance that you can justify, probably even to yourself, behaving like them. Pass the sick bucket someone.

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Don’t have to be IA . Just try being decent.

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‘I believe UTI is on a two week break from bum licking duties, hence why he’s back on here redistributing the sh*** he has spent the last 50 weeks removing.’

Now I remember why I don’t understand the role of moderator.

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My 14th birthday!! What a day for a boy of that age. I’ve never had a better present … not even close.

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