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I’m with Les and IA on this one. Hill has to be given a proper chance. His record over hundreds of games … rather than this last few months … has to earn him a decent crack of the whip. He inherited a mess and couldn’t solve the conundrum. I suspect that, as much as we wanted any money going for Loft and Hippo, they were both straining at the leash to take up decent offers at Rovers and Stockport. Even the reported exchanges between Hill and some in the crowd could be seen more generously. Perhaps he has some passion … no bad thing …and perhaps he feels protective of young prospects being asked to step up in a tough situation. Finally … maybe he isn’t a firefighter/ Houdini character … maybe his real skills are in bringing stability and then establishing a base to push up from. Time will tell … so I hope we give him some and he sticks at it.
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To add to my previous …. I have never seen anyone handcuffed anywhere before last Saturday. Equally I have never felt so concerned that genuine violence was about to erupt since the Grimsby battles at the Showground (maybe once when some Leeds fans were in the wrong end) … and that a handful of Stewards were about to be given a kicking. I suspect that the situation on Saturday is not easy to dissect and is a mixture of the differing points made in this thread. I have seen what appears to be apparently provocative/ heavy handed stewarding in the last couple of months … maybe partly a result of the flares. Possibly to stamp out the anger and frustration many of us are feeling that is hard to express when you’re knocking on a bit … but much easier when you’re a teenager and bonded in a sizeable group. There is no doubt that away supporters seem to be almost allowed to invade at will and it’s only the home end where standards are rigorously enforced. It’s not looking good for the remaining few games unless there is some careful analysis and response. My wife and a few friends were lined up for possibly our last game in the League … we are of that age where we may well see no more … but I think I’ll be on my own after Saturday. I suspect we will be seeing more Police in the last few games.
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I don’t like the current level of stewarding and the general approach. I was right behind the incident and was genuinely fearful of an invasion and attack on the stewards who a) would have been swamped by the young lads congregated at the front b) looked physically inadequate … two of the 8 or 9 were young girls and at least one was a small, elderly guy. This really needs looking at for the last few games. As I said before …. the guy who jumped the wall seemed to have some sort of intention beyond leading an invasion. Maybe there had been an exchange which I didn’t hear; maybe there had been previous issues; maybe he knew him from elsewhere … I don’t know … but the lad who jumped the wall launched into that particular steward with the intention of giving him a pasting and, whether banned or not, should be on an assault charge.
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… a spade in the ground for even one new stand would reassure me that we have a future.
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ps although I do agree it’s the lowest point … in my case …in 60 years.
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Sensible post,IA.
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A difficult one to take. Maybe add the two together and you could argue for a yellow. So harsh. Then, apparently, he was informed of the handball by the 4th official and chose to ignore it. Then hit bar, post and sidenetting. When you are down .. it just seems to go that way! I liked my first look at Cripps. Saw more to commend in Rowe than I’ve noticed before. Nuttal looks fitter and Sinclair did well.
Cripps, Rowe, OMalley, Gallimore, Pugh, Lewis … Wilson …maybe some green shoots there? If there’s even a vote for Player of the Season then Rory should be suing!!2 users thanked author for this post.
‘So the actual owners of Newcastle murdered that man personally.’
See comments above,Mick. The Saudi Regime own the company that bought the Toon. It is totally autocratic and ruthless. Few totalitarians do the torturing, the shooting, the poisoning and the ‘disappearing’ in person. They just ensure that it happens to order. The problem for me is that the test for ‘fit and proper’ ownership is antiquated. It is all centred on finance and ensuring that Clubs are owned by people who won’t lead them into administration etc As with all things Premier League.. it’s all about dosh. The moral dimension .. though harder to define… should be front and centre. My stance : ‘If you have no sense of justice, have cashed in and even caused human suffering ..then stay away from our sport. Find your pleasure and your status someplace else. Not here.’
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Sheridan is a good call … but he wouldn’t have come to us I suspect. The Oldham link probably clinched it. And they are certainly not out of trouble yet despite his initial success. If Hill is committed to us longer term … and the Chairman is committed to him … then it may yet prove to be a sound appointment. ( I know … trying to find reasons to be cheerful!!)
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A bit harsh. Some people saw what was coming earlier than others. Some people saw it much earlier. Some people saw it much later. That’s about it. It isn’t the supporters … whatever foresight or lack of they had … who are to blame.
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I liked the look of Gallimore in the few minutes he had. Not seen him before. He looked big and physical for a kid and didn’t shrink back. I thought Burns was an unsung hero on a difficult night for a forward. Their big lump of a centre back knew he wasn’t getting a second on the ball without a terrier at his ankles and I am looking forward to seeing some goals from Burns … would especially like to see him alongside Nuttall. Feeney was quiet last night. A lot to come from him I think.
There’s pots half full, Alcy. There’s pots half empty. Pessimists and optimists and all that. Your pot has a busted bottom and whatever was in it flowed all over your slippers years ago. Not even a drop left. I’m just about to make the 160 mile round trip to watch a ‘home’ game… more in hope than conviction of anything positive at the end of it. What time do you need to set off?
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Alcy wrote : ‘See, this is your problem
You seem to believe that anyone criticising our club either isn’t a supporter, or, worse, is happy with the mess we are in.
It’s called a straw man argument.
look it up and learn something.’Not at all, Alcy. I think the article itself just went a bit too far in the last section. I think Peter Swann has made a massive mess by thinking he had skills and know how he didn’t possess and over reached in terms of ambition. As far as your good self is concerned I think it’s perfectly fair to say that, whatever qualifies as a ‘supporter’, you have consistently, over many years and under different Chairman, been pathologically eager to carp and criticise. I don’t recall you ever displaying any generosity or appreciation of those perceived to be ‘the establishment’ … even in the years when we punched way above our weight. Of course you are entitled to consistently and loudly criticise every generation of Scunny’s ownership whether we are the envy of every club of similar standing or … as now .. a laughing stock. Just don’t get riled when people point out that you don’t seem capable of anything but a jaundiced view of all things Iron.
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Let’s see. I reckon we’ll know where we are in about 6 or 7 games time Alcy. If you’re correct then enjoy it. If not .. then I certainly will.
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Had a look at the Stags forum. A lot of very positive comments there. Fingers crossed.
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Generally in agreement, Pat. Not with the last sentence though…not on Saturday’s performance. Hill has instilled shedloads of fight into them. That’s why I didn’t enjoy the smattering of boos at the end (the cheers for Rory excepted) as one or two of the kids came towards the fans and pulled away crestfallen. Maybe the boos were for Swanny …but it was like the Alamo out there at times and yet they came within a missed penalty of a point despite there being virtually no quality on the pitch. I would say that fight was all we had really.
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IA : Apologies for offending all racists on here. I should know my place, thanks JI. BTW what’s your position on why so many International footballers are taking the knee in this current football tournament?
I didn’t ask you to apologise for anything IA … and certainly not to any racists. My post was simply to point out the inconsistency of your position. Apart from the jarring use of bad language that you have started to adopt .. which at one time was an issue for moderation .. it isn’t a good look to take up the cause of tolerance and brotherhood by intersectional labelling and abuse.
Of course I have a considered position on taking the knee but the atmosphere created on this board has become so polarised and toxic that I wouldn’t see any value in sharing it. A bit sad … because I do like healthy debate .. but that’s the way it looks to me.
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