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Pot stirrers?

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Northumbiron wrote:

“wake up clappers before it is too late”

Wake up and do what exactly?

Yep. I’m still waiting for what I’m supposed to do with all this catastrophic info in order to ‘save’ the club from Hilton.

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Deerey .. all I did was give an opinion and question the motives of some of the most persistent and strident posters. I didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to post. Why would you be confused about my views on free speech?
As for Facebook and Twitter. I don’t do them. I simply responded ..on Bru ..to what I’ve read …on Bru. Seems fair enough to me. To be honest ..I’ll be glad for all our sakes when this phase of uncertainty and speculation is past .. for all our sakes. Unless, of course, there are a select few who are enjoying it.

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Ban ’em then. Don’t want any dissent…especially them kippers!

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OK Some measured responses ..and some made their minds up and no way back. As always … I’m not sure what those who think Dave Hilton is a villain with bad intentions are posting for. To be proved right in the end? To damage the man? To taint any glimmers of light for ordinary Joes? To make any turnaround and progress more difficult? Or, as they maintain, all for the sake of truth and integrity. Place your bets.

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ps excellent cartoon 64. 😀

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Quote: ‘Just because it’s been called a ‘conspiracy’ doesn’t mean that it’s not.’

Not sure who said that. Maybe Justin Trudeau?

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I feel like a bit of an observer of all of this wrangling … though someone did accuse me of ‘popping in’ a few weeks ago when I ventured a comment. Obviously made the mistake of thinking that a forum was for sharing opinions.
My opinion on the sort of exchange I see above is that there is a lack of generosity towards Hilton which manifests from some posters in zero appreciation of any achievements and total recognition of any failings. He may be battling to come to terms with the step up he has made ..in financial and other terms… he may even have bitten off more than he can chew … but I think Pat and others are sick of the absence of ‘slack’ being given. Some of the posters repeatedly take it past the kind of respectful reservation that Deerey and Sidey defend. My view is that there are several posters with a grudge against either Hilton or the club and I’m not surprised that folks are exasperated with them. All the constant hints at financial collapse, eviction and defamation of Hilton will have cost the club at least some amount of support ..maybe 10 or 20 or 50 season tickets. I don’t expect it to stop anytime soon but hope that we get through choppy waters and people’s worst fears can be left behind.

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‘Well done Hillton.’

For someone so keen on close scrutiny it would be reassuring for those of us asked to trust him … and to respond in some as yet unspecified way… if he could at least get the name right.

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I don’t think bringing your kids into it swings anyone’s views. I just don’t see this kind of post as being helpful to anyone. How do we know that your ‘source’ .. or indeed you… don’t carry a grudge or even a malicious agenda. It just comes across as ‘Trust me .. he’s a bad ‘un and so you should all … do what?????’

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Have for Swanny. Find me anyone who supports his Chairmanship and can make a credible case for their position.

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Boom.

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Agreed ….. to an extent. As ever there is plenty of room for divergent views. Some of the expression of opinions I’ve witnessed on here have strayed into the ‘attacks and ridicule’ territory and those proved wrong definitely won’t be feeling great.
My experience is that even when disagreements are conducted reasonably … it’s pretty humbling when one’s own perspective isn’t proved correct. ( I guess that’s why I’m always making sure that I’m right !!!)

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Ok. Maybe I’ve not dug as deep as some … but I’m still hoping for the best whilst recognising the grounds for reservations. Eventually one of the ‘sides’ that have locked horns here and elsewhere will have to eat humble pie. I’m going to enjoy what I can until our old friends ‘Truth and Reality’ show up … as they inevitably will.

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I’ll press my point, Deerey. I sighed after the negatives because the appointment looked pretty sound for the reasons given. I knew ..as you do ..that it didn’t lay to rest the fears we share. But …taken on its own .. it seems like a good appointment and maybe a cause for a glimmer of optimism. The ’30 yard screamer’ wasn’t…as I suspect you know .. intended as a comparison. It was hyperbole.
In layman’s terms my whole take is that maybe we could unite around the positives occasionally without having to always draw attention to the shadows that linger and that no one actually understands yet.

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Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Yet still an undercurrent of negativity. Sigh.’

Nothing to do with the stadium issue and precarious financial situation? Sigh.

Obviously I was only referring to the new Director, Deerey. For the reasons stated it looks like great appointment. I share the anxieties surrounding the stadium ..and to a lesser extent future finances. But the fact that no move can be made by the club without a degree of pessimism being offered just did what it did …made me sigh. If someone bangs in a 30 yard screamer just below me on 12th Aug I hope the guy behind me doesnt nudge me in the back and ask me to tone it down cos there are still lots of uncertainties surrounding the future. That was all.

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Happy to see a local born and raised, female, from a minority, with expertise and extending the skill set in the club. Yet still an undercurrent of negativity. Sigh.

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IB ..you may be correct. You may be proved right. But why not get on with your life? Why not let things take the course that you unequivocally say they will? Time after time folks have responded by asking what you suggest they do. Sure ..it’s possible that all the Iron fans who have bought Season tickets and will be heading to Tamworth are living in a fool’s paradise. But only time will tell from this point. You aren’t doing yourself any favours at this point .. unless it gives you some sort of satisfaction to post as you do. Again .. you’ve more than made your ‘point’ and sounded the alarm. How about giving it a rest now?

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No bias either way from here … but as someone who regularly asks for a bit more courtesy in discussion on t’other side…. I have to say that Patrick’s post above seems reasonable enough to me. Not sure why he was singled out.

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Now that’s some rationale, 64. You might want to have another think about that logic.

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Yes IA ..I agree ..you were certainly clear on the error and the resignation.
Personally I think someone at Coutts is more culpable than she was and should go.
I’ve thought alot about that gay wedding cake issue. The Baker was targeted to make a point. The message on the cake, as I remember, was ‘Support gay marriage.’ My view is that Govt should leave space for different and conflicting views. I don’t think, for example, a strongly atheistic Baker should be forced to make a ‘Jesus is Lord’ cake if he doesn’t want to. A private business isn’t the same as a Bank ..especially one partially owned by taxpayers. There’s not enough give and take nowadays..especially from social activists… and it’s not necessary.

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He’s done us all a service. Banks should be there to do banking …not social engineering. The behaviour of the ‘powers’ at Natwest/Coutts needed to be made an example of. I know of a vicar who responded to a Bank survey on how they were doing. He answered positively on the Banking stuff but expressed reservations about the flags and posters for Pride week. His account was closed. Last I heard he was challenging this so I hope the Farage fiasco helps him. I was in a queue at my high street bank and saw a poster stating that the branch ran 100% on renewable. There were no windmills on the roof nor solar panels ..no evidence of a heat pump ..or anything. I mentioned it to the clerk and the Manager came over. He was totally defensive stating that he didn’t know how it worked but the Bank would not put up a poster if it wasn’t true. I shrugged and got on with my banking …but I know what I think about it and I don’t like it. If it had been someone more ‘acceptable’ than Farage then I wonder if the last two posts would have been so critical. We need a society ..and crucial institutions within society like Banks .. to be impartial for all our sakes. Tell me it ain’t so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Doncaster match attendance was 1,588, including 484 travelling Doncaster Rovers supporters.

Dismal! I thought it was reasonable, especially on a wet day. Do you ever see anything in a positive light.?

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I thought the response to tennis balls and catering issues was pretty reasonable. Swann ain’t in charge so no need for terrace disruptions. If Hilton meets with the catering staff to assess the needs then that sounds like a fair response to customer comments. Let’s see if he can crack a long term issue. I’m still nervous about how all this ground ownership stuff is going to play out … but certainly ain’t part of any ‘love in.’

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Glad to see the apology from NatWest CEO. Also happy to see that the Govt are reviewing the whole scenario. Watch that space.
Again ..the issue is not whether we like Farage or not. Its principle. If we can be excluded from participating in society ..and the necessities of life .. because of where our views sit on someone’s acceptability spectrum then we will all be candidates for suffering. China is already well down the road of enforcing conformity by potentially punitive social credit scores. Trudeau’s instruction to close the bank accounts of protesting truckers was a chilling wake up call to Western democracies. Another lesson ..looking back to the beginning of the thread.. is to try to get past our own preferences in such scenarios. First they came for the Brexiteers, then for the etc etc

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BPG …you would do better to attend to your own posts rather than trying to improve mine. NI never intimated that he thought Jesus was fictional… only that he doesn’t believe in the teachings of Christianity.
My sentiments were out of concern for anyone who would make the statement around aborting Jesus to improve the world. We are supposed to have a heart of concern for people, Bill. Not just relentlessly try to prove ourselves right.
In fairness NI did quickly have second thoughts and take the statement down. That’s something …although I would obviousy prefer that he acknowledged the gravity of such a statement… again for his sake.
I do hope, Bill, that you aren’t going to keep monitoring my posts solely to see if you can expose my flawed thinking and theology. Nobody on here is bothered … and you know how far apart I feel we are both in terms of belief and how we express faith. My advice is to expect very little from me ..and then you won’t be disappointed.

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I’ve said what I wanted to say. I’ve previously given thorough, detailed and length explanations as to why I share the faith of so many hundreds of millions both historically and currently…. you have never given any indication of genuine curiosity, NI. My contribution here has simply been to urge the most unrestrained posters to stay away from unnecessary insults. Suggesting that the world would be a better place if Jesus had been aborted is a statement that I wish you had not made … not for my sake ..or God’s ..but for yours.

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I tend to stay out of these exchanges at the moment for reasons recently stated … but I feel obliged to say that I am sobered by the dismissiveness and almost gleeful disparaging of Christ and Christianity in some of the above posts. My advice … which I recognise may well be ignored … would certainly be to hold back from the type of comment that NI concluded his post with. My feelings are neither here nor there .. I can handle the sadness such comments evoke. But, as someone who aspires to live out my conviction that God is worthy of awe and reverence, I truly urge all posters to keep a sense of proportion … even better to consider your limitations and mortality and examine again the claims of Christ. The second may (wrongly) seem a betrayal of yourself …but the first would cost you nothing.

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