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I think Sidey’s right on all counts. IB is probably not Swanny or a Swann acolyte. He has brought alot of information to the forum which nobody else would have picked up otherwise … at least until recent revelations by journalists. And …IB definitely has an agenda against Hilton.
To be honest ..I’m sick of him. I’m not denying the accuracy of his disclosures. I’m not saying he should never have posted.But I’m just sick of him. He’s absolutely relentless and seems to have only one goal ..the total humiliation and ‘destruction’ of his sworn enemy. I don’t think he has any interest or sight of our Football Club. We are are just a vehicle for his vengeance. I don’t know if ‘The Entire World is Against DH’ …but IB certainly is. Amidst all the forensic disclosures of Hilton’s grisly past the thing I noted with nausea was his referencing Hilton’s daughter, the type of home she lives in and what Hilton’s obligations should be. A sickening level of engagement no matter how valid his research has been on Hilton’s business dealings. IB ..why not knock it off now. Your work here is done. I cant speak for anyone else ..but I’m sick of you.4 users thanked author for this post.
Sidey… I’m not challenging the points you make and the reservations you have… nor you absolute right to state them. A friendly observation .. you are starting to come across as a bit ‘over committed’ and ‘reactive.’ I think Deerey, as one example of someone who has similar views, has taken a more philosophical course. I think any regulars on here know your views on DH, the state of the club etc etc I’m more on the middle ground ..if there is any … than you are but generally find your postings careful and well expressed. It just feels like you need to take a bit of a breather to me.
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I do hope those who meet up with St Simon today can ask where his and Ian not so Sharps bid is and why it’s not come forward yet.
C’mon Awaywego … step up to the next level of maturity. There’s plenty to go at.
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A) Its Hilton not Hillton ..unless he’s changed it again :)
B) It’s not your club.
C) How does that single line post ..I won’t call it a sentence or sentences ..actually help anyone?2 users thanked author for this post.
My take ..which I believe I’ve quoted before .. is that ‘Football is the most important of the least important things.’ It’s not always easy, as a lifelong Iron fan, to hold that perspective. But I believe it to be true and it certainly helps me not to get drawn in to the current chaos more than I think is good for me.
For what it’s worth, and all other things being equal, I still think I’ll be driving over with my one of my random mates to pick up my sister and go to watch some form of Scunny game in five years time.
I’ve no idea how that will work. We might have a different name. We might be divisions lower and in a different ground. We should certainly be the best supported at whatever level in that scenario.
Perhaps we’ll get ‘rescued’in a few weeks and be pushing for the EFL and still at Glanford Park … unlikely, but we can dream.
Maybe DH will still be here and we are holding current ‘ground’ ..in more ways than one .. and even looking up.
The sad part for me is that all this investing in viciousness and nastiness on some parts of social media, and even the constant and relentless repetition of the ins and outs of our plight and the major players in it, will leave a permanent and divisive scar on our fan base. I suspect that wherever, whatever and whoever .. there may well be at
least several hundred ‘principled’ folks from one end of the argument or the other who will be ‘done’ with football in the town. I hope not. We are going to need, as we’ve always done, every fan we can muster. I get that the ‘truth must out’ ..but I hope that we don’t get so deep that the scar can’t heal.
One way to avoid that .. even though Bill Shankly claimed otherwise .. but ges dead!! .. is to remember that ‘Football is the most important of the least important things.’6 users thanked author for this post.
..and calling them ‘arse lickers’ and ‘tossers’ helps your call for respect and unity? Not in my book. Just remember how you were when you were a teenager Brassy. Your last post is better than your first.
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‘Hope he continues on the path of redemption.’
Serious question JI. At what point have you witnessed this redemption you speak of? Today, after being forced to admit? Sorry, not seeing it mate. Hollow words from him in my opinion.
Fair question,Deerey. And I may well be wrong. Sometimes you go by instinct.. gut feeling if you like ..and then make the call.
It may be linked to my own chequered past and the turn around that came.for me. Also perhaps to some past struggles with mental/emotional issues. Maybe this has distorted my judgment ..but I think I heard some raw honesty and genuine humility in an interview that he didn’t have to take. If I’m making an error of judgment I’d rather err on the side of grace rather than t’other way. IBs forensic analysis earlier could be bang on accurate ..but boy is it cold and merciless. I’d rather live next door to a broken guy struggling out of his mess than a cold-hearted pharisee.1 user thanked author for this post.
JustIron- “ Hope he continues on the path of redemption”. What sort of babbling is this you’ve invented?
The word redemption comes from the verb to redeem Bill. The meaning is to buy back or make good. It can be used in various contexts. I used it in the sense of a person going astray moving forward to a better place. I suspect that you only think about it in its theological usage and so have mistakenly seen an opportunity to score some sort of points on me.
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Kip Keino? El Gharrouj? Said Aouita, Gebresselassie , Cheptegei …Quite a few candidates. Africans have tended to dominate Middle to Long distance ..but a different story on purely Middle distance. But why the race baiting? Lasse Viren? Coe, Ovett and Cram. It ain’t about race. Ingebritsen is up there in any generation on purley Middle distance.
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Agreed. Just wanted to sound that warning note .. especially as I’ve never seen Henderson as the brightest star in the firmament.
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I was just a bit too young for Barrie first time round ..but fanatical by the time he came back. I remember some guy near me in Fox Street at the Luton game saying ..probably fairly ..’Aye but he’s not the player he was!’ We won 8-1 and Barrie scored 5.
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Good night. Sleep well.
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