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What a ridiculous comment, IA. I have nothing against renewables per se. Why on earth would I? We have solar panels on our house and they work well. Who wouldn’t want a source of energy that was environmentally friendly, secure and cheap. All that I’ve done is explain the problems associated with renewables, which are not as environmentally friendly, secure of cheap as many have claimed. In fact they have a lot of problems associated with them.

I’ve said on numerous occasions on this board that we would sleep-walk into massive problems if we believed the hype around renewables; and that is precisely what’s happened and will continue to happen if we don’t accept these problems are real. The ‘experts’ who claim otherwise all have vested interests, either political, ideological or, increasingly, financial. People believing otherwise are just ignorant or naive. I’m sorry if that sounds unfair but it’s the reality we’re facing.

IF renewables were as good as they’ve been made out to be we wouldn’t now be facing crippling energy costs. Businesses wouldn’t have needed incentives or subsidies to build them if they were genuinely commercially viable. In truth they’re not. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them but people deserve to be told the truth about what they really cost when everything that’s needed to support them — and without which they wouldn’t be viable — is taken into account.

Btw, 64 and Siderite, I’ve checked on the coal reserves available and for the USA, which has the biggest reserves, the recoverable amount equates to 470 years at current consumption (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/how-much-coal-is-left.php). This would almost certainly increase over time as the economics change and technology improves.

Also Siderite, I don’t think that I’m an ‘expert’ at all. What I am is someone who checks the facts for themselves. I would urge everyone to be cynical about ‘experts’ and double-check for themselves what they’re being told. The reality is often very different.

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One particular poster on here made anti semitic remarks, which might have been acceptable in the Labour party at the time but, thank goodness, would certainly not be acceptable now; and full-marks to Starmer for taking a stand on this. It’s called zero tolerance for a reason.

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Another well constructed argument from one of the usual suspects. Lol indeed.

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I was talking about LK’s comments, which I believe is what you were referring to, Deerey, not the issue. Regardless of that, you’ve supported one very abusive poster on here. Funny, too, that you don’t recall the racism to which I refer. Why should I be surprised. As I said, total hypocrisy.

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Not that any of you would hurl abuse around, of course. Such well constructed arguments.

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Don’t need to cut and paste anything, Deerey, 100% my own words. All you’ve revealed is how little you understand by dissing it. Same as 64, who clearly doesn’t have a clue about the hundreds of years of fossil fuels still in reserve. Either way, what I’ve written is indisputable and anyone who thinks otherwise is in cloud cuckoo land. Very happy to debate with anyone who disagrees, though having a constructive argument on here is pretty much impossible.

TW is absolutely correct, of course, although it’s not just those in power but also those in opposition who don’t get it. Hence the complete mess we and the rest of the Western World are now in.

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I’ve no idea what they’re referring to, LK. It’s very possible that I wouldn’t agree with whatever it was you posted. That aside, I’ve simply pointed out how the ‘usual suspects’ operate and bully others on here. They are very far from perfect themselves and some of the comments from them have been as bad as anything ever seen on this board, racist or otherwise. Indeed, at least one of them has made highly racist remarks, which the mods ignored while the others continue to support him and his views.

Total hypocrisy are two words that spring to mind.

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It’s just the same old people coming out with the same old stuff, LK. Delighted to see that Gurny’s joined the conversation. Always much more fun when he’s involved. He’s even come out with the ‘Hitler’ comparisons in the past, which is a sure-fire way of knowing he’s lost the argument. Of course, he’ll never admit it. You’d think the guy might try a different approach but he doesn’t appear to have one. Just attack the individual and hope something sticks, which is rather pathetic.

Also, LK, remember that it’s only the left whose opinions matter. Anyone else isn’t entitled to them. Just look at how the likes of Jacinda Ardern claim that comments doubting the voracity of climate change are ‘dangerous rhetoric’.

Then you get comments such as “trashed the economy”, which is just not true. But, then again, truth doesn’t appear to be in these people’s vocabulary. They’re not interested in reality but will try every trick in the book to try to make it look as though you’re the one not being realistic. It always makes me smile.

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We’ll see, 64. It’s impossible to forecast what’s going to happen in today’s world with any level of confidence because there are so many things happening over which a government has little or no control. However, if the UK’s going to have any chance of generating the revenue needed to cover the increasing costs of an ageing population and an increasingly unhealthy one then growth is the only way to achieve it.

It’s highly likely these tax cuts will stimulate growth and at that point you’ll probably be changing your tune. Polls can move both ways so I woudn’t be counting any chickens just yet.

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Try again, Heath. The lockdowns were a disaster and while covid’s always likely to be with us, it’s herd immunity that’s brought the pandemic to a halt, supported by excellent vaccines. Brexit, well, what else are you and all the other remainers going to say? Whatever happens you’re all always going to blame Brexit for everything. Peter Swann, yep, I definitely got that one wrong. Truss, let’s wait and see.

You’ve also missed out Corbyn, whom as I recall you and your left wing mates all supported. Oh, and that man Starmer also backed him. Great judgement. “The Tories are finished” said Gurny. Not exactly a great track record for you guys, either, eh? Oh, and the Tories love nothing more than a Labour party that thinks it’s already won the next election.

Deerey, I had to smile at your comment about the R4 interview. You’re even more naive than me if you think the BBC didn’t select the pensions person they interviewed based on their views over Brexit. As for productivity, doh, that’s what the mini-budget was also about. As for “Why are you bringing a polictal party in to it who have had no power or influence over it?” So, according to you, Labour doesn’t support net-zero?! And you reckon supply side problems are a ‘back story’. Hmmm, try telling that to all the other countries facing exactly the same problems.

Another thing that I find extraordinary is how you all love to bash the top rate tax cut, while saying nothing about NHS doctors and consultants complaining over the tax they have to pay on pension pots over £1 million. These people are going part-time exactly when the NHS needs them. If only many in the private sector could afford to go part-time with a pension pot already over £1 million.

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Huckleberry: are you serious? It’s when demand outstrips supply, which has happened globally as the world’s come out of the pandemic. Is that simple enough for you?

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I have strong opinions, Siderite, and whether I agree with your opinions or not I completely respect your right to hold them. I don’t come on here to be liked or even agreed with; and if I come across as patronising and arrogant it’s my response to those who come out with comments such as those by Deerey, above.

Just look at that Deerey comment about net-zero. It’s complete nonsense. It’s an indisputable fact that energy costs soared when renewables were unable to cope with demand because the wind stopped blowing at the same time that natural gas supplies were low. The reason they were so low, of course, was down to fossil fuels being demonised to meet net-zero targets. Then of course, Mr Putin decided to invade Ukraine, paid for by the natural gas imported by countries such as Germany after they decided to close down their fossil fuel and nuclear plants.

The likes of Deerey just turn a blind eye to this. Maybe it salves their conscience for supporting this net-zero drivel. The drivel that is now pushing millions into poverty. Yet he just dismisses me as an ‘ideologue’. Well, he’s entitled to his opinion but that’s as far from the truth as it’s possible to get. What I am is a realist; and the fact is that this country has lived beyond its means for decades.

Of course the Tories have been to blame for this as much as Labour. There’s plenty of things the Tory party does that I don’t agree with and I have no problem admitting it. But Truss and Kwarteng are 100% correct that this has to change. Yes, the mini-budget was a shambles in how it’s been managed, but the fundamental strategy is the right one. Deerey can listen to as many ‘experts’ as he likes on R4, selected no doubt precisely because of his views on Brexit and net-zero, but it’s unlikely the chair of a pension fund is going to admit his own people were part of the screw-up that led to the BoE having to bail them out.

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I do wish the usual suspects would actually read my comments. What I actually wrote was: “there’s no doubt it [the mini-budget] was poorly managed but what Truss and Kwarteng are doing is fundamentally right.” It was very poorly managed but that doesn’t mean the strategy is wrong.

Let’s also look at a few other facts:

1. The UK is NOT in recession. The BoE was wrong
2. The pound has strengthened a lot, not least because the markets over-reacted and can see the UK economy is in far better shape than claimed by the left-wing commentators falling over themselves to knock the Tories.
3. The Government has stepped in to reduce the impact of crazy energy prices driven by an absurd net-zero policy
4. The reason the BoE had to step in to ‘save’ the pension funds was largely down to the funds using LDIs (Liability Driven Investments). The irony here is that LDIs are being used largely because interest rates have been so low that the funds have taken to using higher risk strategies to cover final salary schemes, which the BoE should never have allowed to happen in the first place.

As for energy prices, the reason we’re in this entire mess is down to the stupid drive to net-zero, using renewables that can’t cope with our energy needs and failing to support fossil fuels, which will be needed for many decades to come. The Government’s doing what it can to support consumers though the reason pensioners and others are being forced into this ridiculous situation is down to all politicians across all parties backing the net-zero fiasco.

And yes, many people, including me, HAVE been warning for years that what has happened would happen if Germany and others didn’t stop relying on gas from a dictator every bit as bad as Hitler. Many on here just listen to the so-called ‘experts’ and believe everything these people say, from economics to climate change and lockdowns, without ever questioning them.

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Huckleberry:

“Post pandemic supply problems”: obviously Brexit’s had an impact but this is a global issue. It’s one reason why inflation is high everywhere, or are you not aware of that?

“Energy support has happened across Europe with no great issues on the financial markets”: that is incorrect. The euro’s dropped a lot over the past 12 months against the dollar

I suggest you check your facts. Interesting to see the pound’s risen today

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Anyone who believes Biden is doing a good job just has to look at his approval ratings. They’ve recovered a bit recently but are still woeful and reflect the damage he’s done to the cost-of-living in the States. What’s saved the USA from even worse problems is the fact they’re not reliant on imported energy, although Biden’s doing his best to destroy that as well.

Regarding the UK, I completely agree it’s a shambles. But is anyone on here prepared to admit why? The two biggest reasons by a long way are energy costs and post-pandemic supply problems. Of course, the usual suspects will no doubt blame Putin and Brexit, both of which will have played a part but Putin simply took advantage of a situation created by daft net-zero targets while the opportunities offered by Brexit are yet to be fully realised.

I’m not supporting the Tories in any of this. Boris screwed up massively with far too much emphasis on renewables, which though desirable in the long-term are nowhere near ready to replace our energy needs, while he should have come out of lockdowns far sooner. Yet again the so-called ‘experts’, in this case health scientists and computer modellers, have been proved to be totally and utterly wrong. The key point here is that all of these things were fully supported by Labour and Starmer even wanted to extend the lockdowns.

Getting back to the mini-budget, there’s no doubt it was poorly managed but what Truss and Kwarteng are doing is fundamentally right. The idea that markets reacted badly because taxes for higher earners were reduced makes absolutely no sense because the amounts involved are small. What the markets have been unhappy about is the use of debt to fund the growth and the government’s commitment to support consumers on energy costs, which have been conveniently ignored by many commentators. There’s also no question that markets will have exploited the situation by shorting the pound.

As I’ve said before and will repeat, Truss and Kwarteng need to stand firm. Of course they need to do more to bring the markets onside and it would also help if the BoE had been more aggressive in raising interest rates higher and sooner. At least the Bank stepped in yesterday and it might have to do so again as it’s going to be a bumpy ride. Of course this will affect people with mortgages, but interest rates are still far, far lower than they were not that long ago; and, again as I’ve said before this will help savers who have had no support for far too long.

Finally, Labour needs to be careful what it wishes for. The world’s in a difficult place at the moment and the idea that Starmer could wave a magic wand is fanciful to say the least.

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Actually, I didn’t say that anyone had insulted me, so at very least get your facts straight. I simply pointed out the complete lack of constructive argument and insults, which are there in black and white.

Siderite, net-zero is exactly why we’re in the economic position we are now; and it’s the same for pretty much all countries in the Western world. The cost of energy surged because the wind stopped blowing and the sun stopped shining, which wouldn’t have been a problem if governments had continued to support fossil-fuels. But, of course, those who “know best” — including many on here and mainly on the left — have been lobbying to stop the use of fossil-fuels, despite anyone who can do basic arithmetic telling them this would lead to big problems. Many of us have also been warning that Germany and others were heading for trouble if they continued to rely on gas supplied by a despot.

These are the plain and simple facts. Another plain and simple fact is that whatever the Government had done in the current circumstances was going to upset someone. These are very difficult times, which call for very difficult measures. The worst thing that Truss and Kwarteng could have done was “play it safe”, which might have been politically expedient but of little help to the country.

What we’re seeing is the markets completely over-reacting. The BoE is there to do what’s necessary to address this reaction. Truss and Kwarteng need to stand firm regardless of all the inevitable stuff being hurled at them. Of course they’re taking a risk, but doing too little or nothing would have been worse.

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Same old suspects. Same old responses. No constructive argument, just insults. Why should anyone be surprised. I’m certainly not.

As for the dollar rising against the pound, if you think that’s because the USA economy’s in good shape then you need to find out a bit more about what’s really happening. Biden’s energy policies are even worse than Boris’s and his approval rating even lower than Corbyn’s. What’s helped the USA is that they ARE fracking, but don’t bet on Biden ruining that as well. He’s certainly doing his best to do so. Other countries’ economies are in far worse shape than ours, including Germany, because of their absurd net-zero policies.

But let’s be clear, I’m not supporting the Tory Government at all. It was Boris’s stupidity to support crazy net-zero targets and continue with lockdowns, which the data is now revealing to have been massive mistakes. All of this, of course, supported by Labour and the same old suspects on here.

Truss and Kwarteng need to hold their nerve. Tell the IMF to take a running jump and get energy costs down as quickly as possible, because that’s the only way any government in any country will be able to move forward.

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Not sweating at all, Deerey. In fact the complete opposite. Labour thinks it’s won the next election already. What was it Gurny came out with: “The Tories are finished”. We all know what happened next.

Obviously things aren’t going well and it would be stupid to say otherwise. But the plain truth is that this would be a Labour government I could live with, nationalisation or otherwise. I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.

That said, I wouldn’t write-off a Tory victory at the next election. If Labour seriously believes that piling billions into green energy is going to create loads of jobs and prosperity then it’s whistling in the wind. A lot can still happen in two years.

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Yawn.

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The markets have completely over reacted and the IMF should be ignored. Kwarteng had no choice but to step in over energy costs, generated it must be said by absurd net-zero targets and made worse by Putin. This cut inflation at a stroke, which reinforces what many people are ignoring, i.e. that inflation is not being driven by an overheated economy but by soaring energy costs. Of course inflation is still too high, but again that isn’t down to an overheating economy. The main culprit is still the cost of energy, which means the cost of everything else is going up while supply-side problems have been exacerbated by the world recovering from the pandemic.

Kwarteng needs to hold his nerve. The BoE can step in if and when necessary, which will almost certainly mean further increases in interest rates but even when this happens interest rates won’t be high. As for those with mortgages, welcome to the real world and savers will benefit, which they haven’t for many years. Regarding tax, removing the higher rate isn’t a problem fiscally and the left’s just using it for political purposes. The idea this could be used “to pay for nurses” is absurd when you consider that the public sector pension liability is now as big as, if not greater than government debt at around £2.5 to £3 TRILLION. Just a fraction of this would address poverty and the NHS overnight but, strangely enough, it’s never raised by the left.

Ultimately, the poor state of the economy will continue until energy costs are made affordable. The elephant in the room is that the drive to net-zero has been attempted far too quickly across the Western World. Everything that’s happened could have been avoided had Boris not chased a stupid net-zero target and the likes of Germany hadn’t relied on Putin. Biden is taking the USA in the same direction while Australia’s turning into a basket case going along similar lines.

Let’s be 100% clear about this, poverty is now being driven primarily by ridiculous net-zero targets. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

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For once I largely agree with you, Gurny, though I do understand Les’s point. Football supporters aren’t always the most rational when talking about their club and in my case I’ve always supported the owner as much as possible, regardless of who it might be, because supporters are notorious in blaming them for everything. Clearly I was wrong in Swann’s case.

In my defence I couldn’t see how anyone could possibly take a club doing well at the top of the third tier and plunge it to the depths of non-league, with or without a pandemic. Yet Swann’s managed to do it. I don’t know if there are any stats on the worst football club owners of all time, but given what’s happened at SUFC it’s hard to believe Swann wouldn’t be up there with the worst of them.

Regarding him selling the club, I must confess that I’ve no idea what the latest might be as my interest has been sapped by our predicament over the last few months. Something that should be borne in mind, however, is that just as the sale of any business has to take account of ‘goodwill’, surely the price of SUFC should take account of the ‘badwill’ (or negative goodwill) generated by Swann; and, let’s face it, there’s plenty of that around, to say nothing of our dire league position.

Regardless of any hard assets, the future of the club is now bleak and IF Swann has any conscience he’ll take this into account and offer the club for a reasonable price. But I’m not holding my breath. What a total and utter disaster this man has been.

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First, whether people agree with UTI or not he is perfectly entitled to his opinion and should be able to offer it without name-calling or abuse from others.

Second, all this stuff about Wharton is nauseating. The abuse he — and other members of his board — received on here was appalling, yet now he’s viewed as some sort of messiah. I backed Wharton through and through but he did make mistakes and didn’t leave the club in great shape.

Having said all of that, Swann has been a total and utter disaster. I backed him for as long as I felt able, but it’s now very clear that I was completely wrong to do so. The feeling I’m left with is that the club’s been a play-thing for him and his sons and that Mrs Wharton’s stepped in and said “enough”. Of course I have no evidence for that but it’s my recollection she sold her Wilko shares for a great deal of money, some of which probably ended up with the club and I know how my wife would have reacted in a similar situation. Evening meals would have been interesting…

As always, of course, we, the fans, are the ones who suffer as a result of all this nonsense. Swann’s made sure his nest remains nicely feathered on the back of the club, having wasted millions; and here I agree entirely with the OP.

IF Swann has ANY conscience he will do everything he can to get the club back into the league and provide the financial security he always vowed was his intention. Having seen what’s happened, however, I’m not holding my breath. I do fear for our future.

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Just Iron

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Fair point, Pat, ultimately we’re both on the same side!

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Pointless going over all of that again, Pat. In my defence I don’t think we’re where we are because of “missed commercial opportunities”.

I believe Swann’s denied it but my understanding is that he and his family played a major role in bringing players to the club. If that is the case then I believe it was the main contributory factor to our being in the current predicament. Recruitment should always have been left to the manager and his staff, with the Chairman’s role being to look after the financial side and that alone. Over and above this his hire and fire attitude to managers has been a disaster.

Where I have some sympathy for Swann is covid, which will undoubtedly have hit his business interests very hard given its impact on the hospitality sector. However, covid hit most people hard and I think it’s poor for Swann to use this as an excuse, which he appears to be doing even if he is accepting responsibility for the club’s plight. It certainly appears that he’s put his personal and business interests above those of the club, which would be more understandable had he not been the one to have created the problems in the first place.

Swann’s saying he wants the club to be financially sound but if he’s transferred assets to cover losses — and I believe this to be the case but, again, cannot be 100% certain — I think this is very poor given where it’s left us. As I’ve said before his plans were sound but his execution and decision-making have been the exact opposite. Ultimately, Swann has taken the club from a great position — we were in the Div 1 play-offs just a few short years ago — to an appalling one and I will never, ever forgive him for that.

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Thanks everyone, obviously it isn’t the end of the world and, like many others, I’ll always support SUFC whatever the circumstances.

A big part of the disappointment for me has been Swann. Having supported him — and I’ve taken plenty of flak for doing so — I can now see that I was completely wrong. This has probably created more disillusionment than anything, at least for me, because I just cannot see how someone could take the club from where it was just a few seasons ago to where it is now. Forget covid, other clubs have managed extraordinarily difficult circumstances while Swann failed to do so.

I always said that if Swann failed I’d become his biggest critic and that is how I now feel. His plans might have made sense but his execution has been lamentable. The sooner he goes the better.

I’m sure we’ll be back but the question is how long that will take. If Swann departs and decent owners come in we stand a chance, but with Swann at the helm I can no longer see it. What a total and utter failure he’s been.

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My first ever Iron match when we beat Derby 3-2 at the OSG, 24 March 1964, with my dad. Great Friday night game, with the sky glowing red as it used to. My recollection is that we came from behind to win 3-2 in a pulsating game, with over 7,000 fans.

Otherwise numerous memories, including our last ever game at the OSG, beating Huddersfield 2-0 to clinch promotion to the Championship and, of course, Millwall at Wembley.

Nobody can take those memories away and they’ll always stay with me.

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Same old stuff from the same old posters. Moaning and groaning about anything while completely missing the point about why we’re going to be relegated from the League.

The reason I “brought it up” was in direct response to the OP. I supported Swann in the past largely because of the moaning and groaning on here about things such as pies and replica shirts. It’s obvious to anyone who can do basic maths that running out of pies and issues over replica shirts has very little impact on the finances of the club. This doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be better if these things could be avoided, of course, but the fuss made about them on here was daft. It’s also worth saying that the club must have been doing some things right to get the family award from the EFL.

The reason fewer people have been attending matches has very little to do with pies and replica shirts to the extent it can neglected. Ultimately it’s down to our position in the League and, to a lesser extent, the quality of the football on offer, though clearly these are related.

If Swann had allowed managers to do their jobs I very much doubt we’d be in the position we are now. The hugely frustrating thing as a fan is that all of this could have been avoided, but it seems he’s closed the stable door after the horse has bolted. It’s now too late and our fate is pretty much sealed. I will never forgive Swann for what he’s done and I doubt many others will either, but our problems have nothing to do with what too many on here have focused on in the past.

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Here we go again, moaning about completely the wrong things.

For about the 10 millionth time, Pat, I’m not accusing you or anyone else of “saying” anything. The fact remains that you and others have continuously run the club down over matters that are, quite frankly, irrelevant.

My understanding is that the Swann’s have had a great deal of influence over player recruitment and if that isn’t the case then I’m sure someone will correct me.

Of course you might disagree, which is entirely your prerogative, but in my opinion that is the reason we’re going to go down. Everything else is a complete red herring.

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Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts. My point always was — and remains — that it’s all too easy to moan and groan about the football club you support.

In terms of apologising, I always said that I would do so if I turned out to be wrong about Swann. Clearly I was wrong and as a man of my word I’ve done what I said that I would, but contrary to some comments it wasn’t at all difficult. There’s absolutely no shame in being wrong — every single person on this board will have been wrong about many things in their lives. Calling people who might have been wrong about Swann idiots is, itself, idiotic.

All of that aside, what I find so disappointing about Swann is how weak the man’s turned out to be. He’s hardly the first owner of a club to lose league status, but what I find unforgivable is his lack of leadership at the very time we need it most, i.e. now.

The guy should be admitting his mistakes, taking the criticism on the chin and vowing to get the club back to winning ways — and league status. But he’s effectively disappeared. Given what we’re seeing happen in the world right now, which let’s be honest puts what we’re going through as football supporters very much into perspective, Swann’s failure to stand-up and be counted is cowardly in the extreme.

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I always backed Swann but have no problem accepting that I was wrong. Well done, alcazar, you were right.

In my defence I still can’t understand how anyone running a business, which is what a football club is at the end of the day, can get it so wrong. Yes, people running businesses make mistakes all the time but Swann’s taken this to another level with SUFC. If this is how he runs his other companies then I can’t see any of them surviving. There’s no doubt that covid will have played a part but using this as an excuse is pathetic.

You’re a clown, Mr Swann, but unlike most clowns your act isn’t funny. Oh, and for the record, that’s my opinion so no need to get in touch with your lawyers. I backed you because many of your ideas made a lot of sense, but given where we now it’s very clear you couldn’t put these ideas into practice.

I feel for all the supporters — you’ve let every single one of us down very badly; and don’t underestimate what this means to people. I’ve never been able to explain to anyone who isn’t a football supporters just how painful it can be to see your club in trouble. Right now I’m feeling a lot of pain as will be every Iron fan up and down the country and across the globe — yes, there are a few overseas as well.

So, please don’t think this doesn’t matter. It actually matters a lot and to far more people than you might realise. We won’t forget. Ever.

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