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Proof? What a joke. I have better things to do with my time than record threads on here that then disappear, Fans. I do, however, have examples of this from the previous board, along with posts that also disappeared.

Do I care if you believe me? Frankly, I couldn’t care less.

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“…it’s normal to have unelected leaders in a democracy…”

I thought this thread was about the monarchy, not the EU.

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All of which just goes to show that it’s impossible to have a sensible debate with any of you lot over Brexit. The plain fact is that EU regulations restrict state intervention in the economy in EU member states.

Of course, Gurny just dismisses what’s happening with Germany as though it were a small matter. It isn’t. It’s actually very serious and likely to become even more serious as the energy crisis deepens, which it will. As for your comment, Heath, the fact that Germany has announced its own energy support package IS the problem, though I’m not sure you get it.

Gurny’s still rolling out the same stuff he’s been rolling out for the past six or seven years. As for making everyone poorer, the project fear predictions have failed to come true while any impact of Brexit pales into insignificance against ridiculous lockdowns, which did enormous damage to both the economy and health, and net zero, which is plunging people into poverty. The only zero attached to that will be the effect on climate from the trillions being wasted, which could and should be being used to address real problems.

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Have a guess, TW.

I never run away from anything, IA, and as for “truth piling up against me”, what an absolutely absurd comment. Threads are removed from this board all the time, including one very recently. Strangely enough this censorship only happens when it suits the incredibly biased mods on this board.

I have a lot of time for Matt but the way this part of the board is managed is a joke.

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“Page 4 and still not a single benefit.”

OK, Heath, a huge and very obvious benefit to the UK concerns the provision of support to address energy prices without any EU interference. This is already causing a lot of problems in the EU, especially as Germany has announced its own support package, which is threatening EU unity.

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Absolute cobblers, IA, nothing could be further from the truth. Evidence is removed from this board on a regular basis. But don’t let facts get in the way of your personal and highly targeted accusations against me.

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Nobody is suggesting that anyone should be mistreated in the UK. The point you’re all missing is what many of these people are doing here in the first place, which is a problem none of you appear prepared to address.

Even the BBC is now covering the problem of Albanian gangs recruiting perfectly able young men to come to the UK in very significant numbers. Something people are also ignoring is the impact this is having on life back in their home country.

This is an absolutely classic case of the left’s virtue signalling and self righteous stance, hurling criticism at others while doing nothing to address the problem or offering any solutions to it.

All you lot can do is snipe and attack me while failing to demonstrate any understanding of the real problem, which is that those immigrants who truly need help and support are being denied it by those who are here to run drugs and exploit the system.

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Both no balls, Deerey. I’m not including BRI/Siderite as a usual suspect and my recollection of Fans’ criticism of Starmer is that he’s knighted, but maybe you’ll correct me.

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Talk about being self righteous, Siderite; and you’re entirely missing the point about how people are being treated. As I said, it’s impossible to have a sensible conversation.

IA, they’re running from France. Haven’t you worked that one out?

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Just as odd, TW, you won’t find any posts on here criticising a Labour MP. In fact I don’t recall ever seeing criticism of a Labour MP on here from the usual suspects.

Clearly, they’re all perfect.

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Here we go again, you’re rapidly becoming a usual suspect Siderite.

As always with you lot it’s impossible to have a sensible discussion. Just bash the Tories and just bash the UK for anything and everything. In truth these are complex and difficult issues. Given what an awful country the UK apparently is why is it that so many people want to come here?

I have no problem with immigration but I do have a problem with people risking their lives on overcrowded boats having paid a fortune to people smugglers. Why is it happening? Why is it being allowed to happen? The French could and should be doing a lot more to stop it, but of course they don’t want the problem.

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Why would I defend Matt Hancock? Since when have I said that I agree with everything the Tories do, let alone individual MPs.

Of course all Labour MPs are perfect, well, according to you lot. Yeah, right.

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“The way humans are being treated”.

Just how ridiculous can you get.

The French do virtually nothing to stop what’s happening, yet presumably that’s OK?

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Yawn.

Given how you all love those polls I’m sure you were delighted to see that the UK population trusts Sunak more than Starmer with the economy.

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Well, by these definitions many in the Labour party would be communists, so maybe you’re right after all.

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Absolutely, Sidey, though your definition of “agreeing” is rather dubious.

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Not huffing and puffing at all, Siderite. I don’t give a toss what you or the usual suspects think. I’d have been very surprised had any of the comments been any different.

You just don’t get it.

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“What an awfully mean spirited post.”

Not remotely mean-spirited or weaponised, Deerey, it was simply a reaction to the incredibly naive and flippant views being expressed on this thread about the direction in which we’re heading. Certain people on here claim to care about the poor and needy while ridiculing comments from anyone who doesn’t fit what they believe to be an acceptable political profile; and it has absolutely nothing to do with me taking anything personally. The Tory party cares very much about poorer people and claiming otherwise is not only completely wrong but also, quite frankly, offensive.

I can assure you that it won’t be long before our lives are being controlled around energy use. Existing tariffs are designed to make better use of when energy demand is lower, i.e. in the middle of the night, but this is changing very rapidly as the country’s spare energy capacity is now dangerously close to zero. Why has this happened? For the simple reason that we’ve ploughed ahead with unreliable renewables, which are far too intermittent to meet our energy needs, while reducing highly reliable fossil fuels because of absurd net zero targets.

It will be years before reliable nuclear alternatives are available so things are going to get a lot worse. We can’t even power existing needs let alone what will happen when everyone has to use electric cars, though given their costs these will be restricted to those who can afford them so maybe that will keep the numbers down. Either way it’s the poorest in society who will suffer.

Finally, if you think things would be better under Labour, good luck. Starmer wants to be at net zero by 2030, which would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious. It seems to me that the only time our idiot politicians and net zero supporters will realise what they’ve done is when it’s too late. The real catastrophe isn’t that we’re “running out of time to stop climate change” but that we’re running out of time to stop forcing millions, billions even, being forced into poverty.

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Well, let’s just hope these cheap renewables are all they’re made out to be. I wouldn’t bank on it.

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No need to worry about me, IA, I’ll be fine. It’s the poorest in society who will suffer. You know, the people you all claim to care about so much.

But, hey, I doubt you’ll have to do your washing at 3am to take advantage of the cheapest tariffs or live in an unheated house because you can’t afford to pay for “cheap” renewable energy.

Of course, this is all just a conspiracy theory, right? Yeah, right.

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Ah, yes, of course, how silly of me. Joe Biden doesn’t wear a Mao Tse Tung boiler suit, have a Lenin goatie or smoke a big cigar. How could he possibly be ‘ultra-left’?

Jeez, this is the USA we’re talking about, not the 1930s Soviet Union. The idea that Biden isn’t ultra-left really is hilarious and only made by people whose opinion of the world is skewed by stereotypical views of Joe Stalin, not Joe Biden, as president. As for claiming Biden’s a ‘centrist’, well, the US media have certainly managed to fool you lot — and that does include you, Siderite.

Yes, the next few months will be very interesting. It’s extraordinary to think that Trump could stand even the remotest chance of getting back to the White House, but Joe’s doing everything he can to make the impossible possible.

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I’m not going to get involved in personal comments about BPG. I’m simply pointing out that society is heading in a dangerous direction with many freedoms in danger of being removed.

It’s unlikely to be too long before we’re told when we can and can’t use various appliances in our own homes, told when and where we can drive our cars and even what we should and shouldn’t be eating.

These are serious issues.

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Absolute tosh, Gurny. What’s happening with Germany and the EU isn’t happening elsewhere in the world. There is only one EU. All you ever do is claim everything’s down to the Daily Mail and ‘liars’, which is absurd.

This is the problem with the left. They know what’s best for everyone and anyone who doesn’t agree with their dogma must have been brainwashed by the media and lied to. Wow, what a convincing argument.

The EU’s in very serious trouble. Its two major economies are at serious risk of collapse given the situation on energy and are praying for a warm winter to keep gas and electricity use down, which is rather ironic to say the least.

As for quoting polls, are you serious? They’re about as reliable as SUFC’s defence.

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Anyone know what’s happening with his hotel in Blackpool? Not a great time to be opening a “high class” venue, especially in Blackpool. Just hope he’s better at running hotels than he is at running football clubs.

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Corbyn is a racist, which is why Starmer’s distanced himself from him and taken such a strong stance on anti-Semitism. I respect Starmer for doing this but it’s a bit late given he — and most of the current Labour party — wanted Corbyn as PM, including you lot on here (minus Siderite, obviously, though why he really believes I was referring to him is beyond me).

As for Boris, he’s a total and utter fool. I’d say one of the main reasons he achieved such a big majority, apart from Brexit, was down to people’s abject fear — and loathing — of seeing Corbyn in Number 10.

Regarding the USA, you have to be pretty hard left to believe Biden’s anything other than a total and utter disaster. The reason the USA appears to be doing OK is down to fracking and interest rates, but scratch the surface and you’ll see a great deal of pain. It’s a sad situation given that many people in the UK see the Republicans as too far to the right, including me btw. I certainly don’t agree with their position on abortion, for instance. However, Biden’s ultra-left policies have been dreadful for ordinary Americans and even the Democrat’s most hardened supporters are despairing over energy prices, inflation, national debt and immigration.

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Well, there’s a big story brewing about rifts between Germany and other EU members, especially France, regarding energy costs. It would appear that if the UK were still an EU member the Government would not have been able to support consumers, which would have been an incredibly tough position for millions of people.

Here is a brief summary from the WSJ:

“The sharpest divisions, however, have emerged over Germany’s attempt to cushion its economy from Russia’s decision to cut the flow of natural gas to Europe. Berlin recently unleashed 200 billion euros, the equivalent of $199.4 billion, in additional subsidies to insulate consumers and businesses from higher energy prices, a move that France and other European countries say puts them at competitive disadvantage.

Berlin opposes proposals from the European Commission to reduce high energy bills, including an emergency tool to cap natural-gas prices. France and more than a dozen other countries have said they want a cap on wholesale gas prices to help shield households and businesses from high prices. Germany and several others have pushed back on the idea, saying a price cap risks diverting supplies to other buyers and spurring more consumption.”

This is why it will take time to see the benefits of leaving the EU. Over and above energy, which is massive, there are many issues bubbling away that are very likely to cause big problems for EU states over the next few years. Another is the proposal for an EU army, which would be crazy given we already have NATO. There will be plenty of others.

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Get your facts straight, Heath. I’m very clear about not agreeing with or supporting a lot of what the Tories do. Yet you lot — and I think it’s pretty clear who I mean by “you lot”, Siderite — just appear to support Labour on everything.

Heath, Corbyn remains highly relevant given the man who supported this extreme left-wing racist is leader of the opposition; and, of course, you supported him, too.

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We are in danger of having a lot of freedoms removed, but it’s what the left wants — the more state control the better for them — so the usual suspects have no problem with it.

It’s unlikely to be too long before the massive freedoms provided by personal motoring — 80% of households now own a car — are taken away. EVs will be ridiculously expensive and all journeys will be logged ‘for road tax’ purposes.

I might disagree with Bill on a lot of things but he’s not quite as nutty — or paranoid — as some on here like to make out.

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Pointless trying to have a sensible debate, frankly, but some of the comments are just absurd. The EU could collapse — it’s far from impossible — and you lot would still claim it was a mistake to leave.

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Leaving the EU was never about economics, which is why ‘Project Fear’ failed so badly. Many people who voted for Brexit would have been happy to stay had the project actually been about economics, which it was for many years. But that all changed with the drive to a Federal Europe. In truth the EU is in a dreadful mess and anyone claiming otherwise is fooling themselves.

It’s likely to be many years before any proper judgement can be made about the pros and cons of leaving, but there are many in the establishment, including the civil service, who want Brexit to fail while some of the EU countries have behaved like petulant schoolchildren.

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