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  • in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286319
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    … it’s a business like 64 once said, so within that in mind I won’t contribute to anything else other than match tickets just the same as with previous incumbents.

    That is quite the ridiculous thing to say and a terrible attitude to have. Surely you have learned, in the time since Michelle and co took over (and most have realised what is at stake, and started putting proper love and care into the club) that United is much more than just a business?

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    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286312
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    Still do not understand how someone spends £11m can then ask for the £11M back when he it was he who loaned the club the money that he then spent having loaned HIMSELF the money and did so with seeking advice as to how risky the whole thing was !!

    You just said it yourself. He loaned the club the money.

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    in reply to: Staffy #286309
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    A man who put a lot of time, thought and effort into the club, and therefore a loss.

    I seem to think it was for the whole season, but do others remember him being on the front of the programme in the mid-80s?

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    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286305
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    I would look at it like this: under his stewardship, SUFC lost £11m. By transfering the ground to his ownership and receiving £3m for it, he has reduced his losses to £8m.

    Had he not done that, his losses (which I repeat were accrued when he was owner & chairman of the club) would have remained £11m.

    The ‘losses’ can’t be both his AND the club’s though, surely?

    Wouldn’t it be a more accurate appraisal to say that he put 11m into the club and got 3m out by selling the ground to Michelle and her CIC..?

    Therefore HE lost 8m.

    Even then, the term ‘lost’ actually suggests he got nothing for his money. I’d completely disagree. He got plenty. Amongst many other things he got the kudos of being able to say he was a league football club chairman, and the privilege of being able to sit at the head of the Board and direct its future.

    So I think ‘spent’ would be a better way to put it, rather than ‘lost’. He spent, in the end, on balance, 8m. An expensive ego trip!

    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286297
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    I’m no Swann apologist, at all, but I do appreciate fairness and balance.

    As I said earlier, Swann removing GP from the club and transferring it to Foolsilk was totally unforgivable (from a club and community perspective) but understandable (from a selfish business perspective).

    Additionally, which do people find preferable? Swann’s method of dealing with those people who questioned him and called out, or Hilton’s? In other words: Solicitor’s letter or vile online attacks, doxxing and threats?

    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286260
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    “Regarding the ground and Hilton the situation was the same when he left as it was when he arrived.”
    After claiming he had the cash, starting the 1899 club while still claiming he had the cash .
    It’s hard to be balanced regarding Swann as my history with him is fractious to say the least and I really don’t like him but I’ll say this ,he did put his money where his mouth was to his own huge financial detriment

    Neither of them exactly painted themselves in glory.

    I’ll echo sentiments further up this thread – though unforgivable, Swann transferring the ground into his own company asset was at least understandable.

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    A busy weekend meant that I was unable to listen to the documentary when it aired, but I was able to hear it on catch-up when driving to work this morning.

    A very good piece which told the story in broad brush-strokes. It was still interesting and at times emotional and would have given the casual listener a decent idea of how troubled and triumphant things have been on the Iron rollercoaster. The half-hour run time of this programme didn’t really do the twisting nature of the story much justice – but we should be grateful that our club was given any national air time at all.

    I do think the last few years is a compelling story and I’m sure there’s a more in-depth version of it waiting to be told. A multi-part radio series, a Netflix-type documentary or even a feel-good film in the Brassed Off, Calendar Girls or Full Monty ‘plucky community’ vein. If Ian Sharp is worth his salt he’s all over this already.

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    I reckon Iron_Bru ,The Iron Trust and Matt Blanchard are being airbrushed out of this story. The Iron trust made the ground an asset of community value,Iron bru led the fight in showing where Swann was going wrong and ousting Hilton at a considerable risk and toll .Matt B set up the gofundme ,it appears that this BBC guy thought Matt “Bell ” did that

    It’s important that these contributions are recognised. Perhaps Iron Hour will issue some engraved tin goblets in the near future.

    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286161
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    According to Hilton

    Agreed. But (correct me if I’m wrong) that’s two or three times he’s singled Elliott out as a bit suspect in statements he’s made since leaving the club.

    in reply to: Hilton’s new statement #286158
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    One of the most interesting bits is the reference to, right before Michelle stepped forward, Simon Elliott telling Hilton he (Hilton) was still the right man for the job.

    in reply to: Unacceptable use of Club property #286100
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    What you doing on there?

    Getting any kind of info to bring back to your pals?

    Just playing Devil’s advocate here, but this looks like you’re calling out 64 for… well… more-or-less exactly what you’re doing on here?

    Edit to add: Apologies if I have misinterpreted your post, of course!

    in reply to: Congratulations #286082
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    I agree the club should recognize them I suggested one route that cost nothing you objected, how should the club recognize them Apollo11.
    Should Michelle not have been recognized by the north lincs business awards? which without Cass couldn’t have started this thread.
    Recognition from ones peers is the greatest recognition of all imo.

    The route you suggested was a route that the Club could otherwise earn money from, so it would not have made sense in the current climate.

    I have no objection whatsoever to the fundraisers receiving, say, a public note of thanks from the Club on the website or over the loudspeaker prior to a match or something along those lines.

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    in reply to: Congratulations #286078
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    So are you saying nobody else but the club should recognise their efforts?, if so it seems a bit churlish imho

    Their efforts have been enthusiastic and determined and I genuinely applaud them for their service to the good of the club – as should everyone else. However, anyone other than the club itself formally recognising them for those efforts (in this case by handing out shiny gongs) seems like a bit much, to me.

    in reply to: Congratulations #286076
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    Congratulations also to Stuart and Sue Maw being recognized by the ironhour podcast for all the fundraising they do for Scunny, bit ott at times for me but you cant fault their efforts.

    Plus: “… recognised by the Iron Hour podcast for all the fundraising they do for Scunny”

    It’s not Iron Hour’s place to recognise them, imho. It’s the Club’s.

    in reply to: Congratulations #286075
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    “recognised by the ironhour podcast for all the fundraising they do for Scunny”

    I saw this somewhere on social media – a photo of a couple of trophies which have been fashioned up for the Maws. Waste of money. A pat on the back should have sufficed, and the trophies cash donated to the club.

    in reply to: Fundraising + Prediction League #286058
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    The Euro’s league? Wouldn’t know but the season long league is based on predicting scores from a presented list before the start of each round. You then get points based on correct score, home or away win, draw etc.

    How many games are on each presented list? How often is there a list presented? Each league fixture?

    in reply to: Fundraising + Prediction League #286029
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    Could someone please explain how this league works ..?

    in reply to: Unacceptable use of Club property #285959
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    Well if you want to look like Kevin and Perry!

    Liam Gallagher Retail Park

    in reply to: Unacceptable use of Club property #285936
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    Do you lot live in a shed, why pick on this merchandiser at least they are Scunny fans unlike the ones offering phone covers or the ones offering pin badges.
    Third party merchandiseing goes on across all clubs and sports for that matter and always as done nothing new to see here.

    It does go on, yes. But this particular case is also to do with the fact that club hasn’t really properly launched its 125 merch. For ‘proper fans’ to do this really lacks class. Plus, they’re seemingly not donating their profit – and that spirit of supporters giving to the club for the greater good is the order of the day at the moment (see Iron Bru beanies etc).

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    in reply to: Unacceptable use of Club property #285934
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    It was used on the Beach Towel I believe.

    Issued by the club? Fair enough, they have publicly used it.

    Still doesn’t excuse this.

    in reply to: Unacceptable use of Club property #285928
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    This really is bad form ,while the club probably don’t have the cash to stop them it’s up to us to not buy them.

    It is bad form indeed… Mark and Carol should donate their proceeds thus far to the club, and then stop.

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    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285869
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    The debts are nearly under control…ground is going to look fantastic, we have a new manager in so all we need now is the playing staff to match everything else.

    Nearly a complete turnaround from where we were.

    Amazing what can happen when those at the helm actually care about the greater good.

    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285853
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    And what a broom. The fans are buying into the project of club sustainability and looking forward to the future.

    She is one of the most significant figures in the club’s entire history.

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    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285845
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    “And they will look after YOU” Rene.
    Giving us a friendly on the 27th of July and then another chance to go to the open day on the 28th how benevolent of them.

    I’d say Michelle saving the club at a critical moment thereby ensuring you have one to support, buying the stadium back from a difficult former owner, putting the stadium into a CIC, harnessing the goodwill in a tangible way with stadium improvements, and repeatedly reassuring that the club belongs to the fans and the community is looking after you.

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    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285834
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    Dictionary
    Definitions from Oxford Languages.
    noun DEROGATORY
    “A well-meaning but unrealistic or interfering philanthropist or reformer.
    “they were not going to welcome bossy do-gooders from far away telling them how to run their lives”
    Let’s hear it for ‘those who do good’ – not the above.

    That’s certainly one – but not the only – definition of the term.

    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285829
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    If small community style football clubs are to survive then more fan involvement is a must because the cost and pitfalls of keeping a club in business are colossal these days. Michelle and her board have done brilliantly but they have also had lots of personal and community input to help out along the way, long may it continue.

    I agree. I think it’s important to look past the fact that the stadium itself is a beast by NLN standards. We’re a small club that needs its people.

    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285795
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    Mr Swan actually said at a forum turn up, buy a pie and a pint watch the football and then go home

    I would say all previous owners / Chairmen have seen supporters as no more than customers. Even the good one(s).

    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285775
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    ps I may be wrong but there seems to be a not so thinly veiled poke at Staffy and Jerry … ‘do gooders’ and all that. These guys love the club and have been great servants for decades. A bit more generosity wouldn’t go amiss.

    Not at all, I meant it in the most literal sense – ‘those who do good’.

    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285770
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    But haven’t done enough for them to have a place on the fans team lol.

    As I said yesterday, this comes across as a bit entitled when there is the potential for money to be made.

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    in reply to: New broom sweeps clean #285762
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    Agree, off pitch matters appear to be the most positive, galvanised and community focussed for many many years. Despite the level we find ourselves at the feel good factor has come back. A positive close season and start to 24/25 season is vital to keep this going.

    Absolutely agree – but really I’m just looking at the efforts to ‘tidy up’ the physical space. It’s fantastic.