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The club and Butler really can’t do right for doing wrong can they ?
Someone saying he doesn’t speak clearly, now you’re saying they’ve dragged his interview out too long.

He can speak for as long as he likes, for me – as long as he speaks clearly.

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CMC wrote:

Now i wonder if Ian Sharp can use his contacts and get a “This is Wrexham” type documentary on the go.

For anyone reading this who has been on the fence about watching this programme, it has been fantastic. What has really shone through all three series of it is the human element, and the importance of a football club as the hub for so many lives.

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CMC

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Siderite wrote:

… with the latter, the wealth they were portraying just wasn’t there.

Simon Elliott seemed to think that it was, and that naysayers should shut their dirty common idiot cake-holes.

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Awaywego wrote:

Tinternet Deerey,
Its a business not a bloody charity.

Again, as I said on another thread, the club is more than a business. Events over the last year or so in particular should have alerted you to that fact.

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MK Iron wrote:

Joking Apollo. A bit quick on the trigger there.

Eh? Pardon? Whassat you say? Hmm?

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MK Iron wrote:

You might have some technology issues. He was a tad quieter than James but could make out every word listening to it on my phone.

No tech issues here.

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Listen to the Iron Bru podcast with Michelle, Roj and Butler for another example of often barely discernible chat from him.

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WonderGoals wrote:

We go from Jimmy Dean who had about as much tactical nous as a piece of wet lettuce and the bravery of the cowardly lion from wizard of oz. Butler comes in clearly loves the club to death, states he wants the team fitter/stronger and is brave enough to play with two strikers and people moan due to way he talks.

Crazy when you think about it.

What’s crazy about it? He doesn’t speak clearly and I would like to be able to hear every word he says.

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Siderite wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

Bearing in mind Butler’s comments, I feel the Mrs B social media post may have been an attempt to get ahead of things and try to set the narrative rather than have to deal with people calling him out for rejecting three offers.

Aye. Given there were three, I highly doubt that the best one was only just above minimum wage (were the other 2 lower than minimum wage and therefore illegal? I doubt it). If the money was the issue for the negotiations, I suspect the club would have made alterations in the renewed offers.

The truth is the club now has a wage ceiling it will not break – not even to re-sign its best player. We should actually be thankful for this step in the right direction towards sustainability.

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Iron-awe wrote:

let’s give Andy some slack eh, we gave Jimmy plenty and we’ve not kicked a ball in anger yet under Butler

It’s got nothing to do with being anti-Butler, so there’s no cutting of slack required. I would just like to be able to hear what he says when he speaks, as I am sure he has plenty of interest to say. It’s a simple fix. Slower and more clearly.

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PorthlevenIron2 wrote:

The microphone just needed to be closer to him. It was very hard to hear on my laptop.

I guarantee that even when a microphone is closer, you will still struggle to catch everything he says as he speaks far too fast and into his chest, and doesn’t enunciate very well.

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Bearing in mind Butler’s comments, I feel the Mrs B social media post may have been an attempt to get ahead of things and try to set the narrative rather than have to deal with people calling him out for rejecting three offers.

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Iron414 wrote:

Agree. Had to rewind several times due to mumbling. Jury’s still out on Butler for me, but he’s set out his stall that promotion is the aim and anything less will be a failure just like it was for Jimmy. Let’s hope he can deliver.

Just send him on a quick course to get the speech sorted out. There are providers around Scunthorpe. The alternative is another year of hundreds of people shouting “What did he say?” at the radio.

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WonderGoals wrote:

According to Butler the information given paints a different picture to Butterfield’s wife. 3 contracts offered with one offering a player/coaching role and turned them all down.

They aren’t the actions of a club/manager who aren’t bothered with losing a player and not putting effort in to keep them. End of the day we have a budget and Butterfield wanted the same money he was getting before, which was silly money for this level and we weren’t prepared to pay it.

End of story.

Not quite the all-time hero and legend profile his Mrs has been campaigning for, then.

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WonderGoals wrote:

I thought he was brilliant. You can tell how much he loves the club and you can’t buy that when signing a manager. Butler’s love for the club shines through and I think he’ll do a good job.

I don’t disagree. But he needs to speak more clearly – sometimes it’s hard to catch everything he’s saying. I felt the same about JD but he didn’t have anything worth listening to anyway.

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cassidystash wrote:

Yes, fair enough, but has she any reason to post other than the truth.

As I have said before on this thread, it is more likely that her saying that is down to an expectation that the club would keep coming back with better offers once the initial one had been turned down, and feeling affronted that they did not. So she believes, probably, that they did not ‘fight’ to keep Butterfield.

The other side of that coin, then, is that the club has implemented a strict wage structure and is very good at sticking to it. Well done, imho.

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Sadly you’re missing a key fact – he doesn’t fit into Andy’s plans.

We only really have this bit of information out in the public domain because it is what Butterfield’s wife said. It’s her interpretation of the situation rather than absolute fact.

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Ferrite wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

Maybe that’s where there was also a bit of a sting in this for him, too.

There’s no doubting that the Hilton legacy will lead to a two-tier wage structure this summer but equally I’d expect – even hope – the club listens to offers for players on Hilton money, particularly Roberts.

Agreed. My point, really, was that perhaps that two-tier thing is why Butterfield and his wife felt so affronted? Perhaps they imagined that, as he was so popular, Butler and the club would bend their own ‘new financial rules’ just to keep him, and perhaps it took them by surprise that they would not – hence the outpourings on social media.

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Siderite wrote:

Couldn’t trust the rumours around Hilton, despite them coming true and sketchy Company’s House record, but we should definitely believe in these. The club don’t need to confirm anything about Butterfield’s wage details in these negotiations. If he wasn’t part of Butler’s plans, he could have just been released, but this is hardly scandal of the century.

Pretty sure I said this earlier up the thread. Maybe Butler would like to have kept him, but wasn’t prepared to break the new wage structure.

Interestingly, it’s possible that (say) Clunan is still going to be on the same wage as last season as his contract hadn’t expired… and Butterfield would have had to take a drastically reduced wage. He’d have been on ‘coat according to cloth’ cash while a lesser player remained on Disney money.

Maybe that’s where there was also a bit of a sting in this for him, too.

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… if this is Butlers way of saying he doesn’t want Butterfield in his team then I hope he learns to be more honest in the future.

More likely that Butterfield had been on utterly ridiculous ‘Disney money’ for this league last season and was then offered a wage commensurate with Division 6 football, and reasonable on the club’s part.

Perhaps Butler and the Club believed Butterfield would ‘see sense’ and accept, realising that the previous high wage was an unrealistic ‘one off’.

My guess (based on the ‘fraction more than minimum wage’ comment from his wife on social media) is he has been offered about 30k and had previously been on about 75.

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If, as Mrs Butterfield suggests, Jacob wasn’t in the manager’s plans then why offer him a contract at all?

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Siderite

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Here’s what Butterfield’s wife had to say, at the cult page, about the contract situation.

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Awaywego wrote:

Would seem the club deems it acceptable to use a Jack Daniels logo on one of the new tee shirts, not good form imo

It’s not the Jack Daniel’s logo, it’s a pastiche of it. There is a difference between taking and using the exact logo someone has designed and artworked, and using a pastiche of a logo, an homage to it etc etc.

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People suggesting Hilton is coming on here and stirring the pot should ask themselves why he would waste time bothering and, more importantly, from where he’d even get any new intimate information on Boardroom activity?

I mean, he MIGHT come on here and stir it up… The big point is, where would he get fresh Boardroom information from (working on the assumption it is true / correct)?

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64 wrote:

If people are annoyed and leaking perhaps they should just leave , egos are great aren’t they?
What we know for sure is Michelle the shares are in her name but she doesn’t “own” them. In her Bru interview she said people had given her money to get the club and stabilise it and that she would be transferring shares to those people, we know that at least one person complaining ,if you believe it, is famed for putting nothing in .

People suggesting Hilton is coming on here and stirring the pot should ask themselves why he would waste time bothering and, more importantly, from where he’d even get any new intimate information on Boardroom activity?

More likely – as 64 points out – that someone is becoming increasingly marginalised, and is annoyed and deliberately leaking info for the sake of causing unrest, and personal point-scoring or political gain…

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MK Iron wrote:

Just see it as a way of helping the club financially when they (we) need it most.

I did win a small prize and donated it back. I would and will do the same whatever the prize until we are debt free. When we get to that point I would prefer the prize to be in club shares or at least to have that as an option.

On that topic I know the board are looking into this but if there was a simple way of buying shares in say £100 blocks I think the rest of the debt could be cleared very quickly.

Donating back only makes sense if the prize you win is financial.

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ironfromafar wrote:

… how fitting would it be to be called the John Staff Museum…

I genuinely respect the sentiment on show, here – but any future museum housing Scunthorpe United stuff ought to be very clear about what it is (ie. it should be called The Scunthorpe United Museum) imho. There would be slightly more fitting ways to remember Staffy within it, I think.

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Awaywego wrote:

… the numbers haven’t increased to allow the jackpot prize to rise like they said it would do…

Perhaps they actually just have a specific target number of subscribers they want to reach, at which point the jackpot prize goes up?

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TwoWrights wrote:

Talk of Swann losing £8m is just that, talk. It takes no account of group tax relief, which he probably took advantage of.

So did he put more in than he (eventually) took out?

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Awaywego wrote:

… it’s a business like 64 once said, so within that in mind I won’t contribute to anything else other than match tickets just the same as with previous incumbents.

That is quite the ridiculous thing to say and a terrible attitude to have. Surely you have learned, in the time since Michelle and co took over (and most have realised what is at stake, and started putting proper love and care into the club) that United is much more than just a business?

On reflection, it’s absolutely and entirely your prerogative to only buy match tickets. Not everyone has the inclination – or the ability – to give.

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