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    ” Credit to Simon for putting this deal together,” he didn’t Michelle did

    He must have put a shitload of cash in.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274629
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    I am getting the distinct impression that Elliott will just try and brush past any accountability for his contribution to the shitstorm, and ride it out on the goodwill towards Michelle’s takeover.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274600
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    The gist of this thread has been don’t let anyone who supported Hilton to get involved with the takeover.

    Do I hear the sound of tunes being changed!

    Not at all. No changed tune. No hypocrisy.

    You’re conflating support of the club itself with support of Hilton.

    Michelle supported SUFC, in her customary quiet and professional manner behind the scenes, as she has done through the tenures of several Chairmen.

    The others mentioned in this thread were public and highly vocal in their support of Hilton – and that makes it an entirely different thing.

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    in reply to: It’s happening #274585
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    Also smart to acknowledge Elliott but good that it seemed to be a bit of a farewell too (that’s how I read it). Time for a fresh start away from all that nonsense of the last several months, and the very public figures who were involved in it.

    I read it wrong, obviously, as it’s been announced he is on the new board.

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    It’s good news.

    As well as everything else, what this club needs now is a quiet, hardworking and really considered stewardship.

    People who have no desire for raising their profile and no need for ego to be stroked. People who come up with the cash and put the money where their mouth is. People who work hard to make it work, not just sit on the throne.

    It was quite clever of the club to give Hilton a generous mention in the statement, probably the right political thing to do. Also smart to acknowledge Elliott but good that it seemed to be a bit of a farewell too (that’s how I read it). Time for a fresh start away from all that nonsense of the last several months, and the very public figures who were involved in it.

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    I didn’t partake of the nonsense, myself. But I think one of the first jobs is to address the 1899 Ponzi.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274559
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    I also applaud Jimmy. He seems to appreciate how precious (if unstable) a job in professional football is. Far too many in his position regard it as ‘having made it’ so no further effort required. I still think a few shifts at the steelworks (or similar depending on location) would show those lucky enough to be paid, for what many of us did for nothing, how fortunate they are and how they should work to protect what they have.

    I’m hoping the club plugs back into the community. I seem to remember things like steelworks visits.

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    I’m sure decency will prevail

    Looks like it has!

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274542
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    Not every Hilton man has comes out of it badly, look at Jimmy Dean, a romped chequered past but has behaved impeccably in my opinion. We don’t need a new broom completely

    I’ve been undecided about him up until recent times – but, as you say, lately he has behaved impeccably.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274541
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    Dunno why it’s turning into a witch hunt?

    I hope that’s a joke. To claim this thread is a witch hunt is MAGA-level crap. People are allowed to express less than favourable opinions on a situation and on the people in it. If more than one person expresses the same it does not become a witch hunt. It is a shared opinion.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274525
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    Don’t mind it there , have not taken the wife and kids though – they didn’t like Butlins bognor so not much hope for there – always had a good time at skeg butlins ,maybe I’m easily pleased .

    Ho-de-ho!

    in reply to: When sorry seems to not be the hardest word #274523
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    I get what you’re talking about. The fact that “sorry” in the spotlight is just a politically expedient necessity, a tool to move the narrative on in your favour, rather than genuine regret.

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274517
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    The most abusive trolls will get banned anyway if ever anyone unravels their burner accounts, which they won’t I guess,as should anyone who committed violence. My focus is purely on the make up of the business and I believe that anyone with an elevated profile who took part in the dog whistling and other character assassinations that led to my friends getting the abuse documented above should not be in positions at the club.
    Had they wound it in when the results of their dog whistles started emerging I could have been more forgiving but it didn’t stop.
    It got worse one person attacked this site and suggested it was A Swann supporting site, parroting Davey Toomanynames to the letter in order to promote themselves and their little emerging podcast. This accusation led to Matt being threatened with his throat being slit, remember this was from a councillor who even when Hilton’s house of cards be started falling had the nerve to claim they brought by it on themselves.
    We can’t ban all the silly little soldiers but we can ensure people who want elevation and responsibility earn it property.

    All good points.

    Herbert – if he doesn’t get banned from the club (just for the phone thing alone, never mind any of the other ‘stirring it up’ stuff) then there’s a serious abrogation of responsibility by the powers that be. Rules are rules – you’re not allowed to do that sort of thing, home or away. So he has to go.

    Bell – as much of a loose cannon as Herbert, in a way. Seemed to be quite aware of what he was doing, imho, with his dog whistle stuff. Appears to be another one really into shoving his face into situations, just to be seen. I hope he apologises to Bru, with no caveats.

    Elliott – if it turns out that in some way he’s involved in Scunthorpe United going forward, then I would expect him to work to earn his status, and also to set an example. He really should address his part in promoting the pro-Hilton thing, in the way that he did. It would be crucial to go some way to winning back trust.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274511
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    Honestly guys you want to look at yourselves. The lengths of some of the posts are crazy.

    What has the length of posts got to do with anything?

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274497
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    Christ does Hilton live in a caravan or something ?(not that I have got anything against people residing in one ,as I did myself for a brief spell in my latter teenage years)

    I heard he had recently upgraded to Humberston Fitties but was still using a chemical toilet.

    Lives in a shoe box by the side of the road with 150 of his other names.

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274494
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    I am undecided as to his reasons for backing Hilton.

    Positioned himself close to power so that he was able to give the impression of being powerful and important himself, imho.

    in reply to: Raising Money For SUFC #274490
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    Hello Iron Fans.. I am a Grimsby Town supporter. I amongst other Grimsby Supporters, have donated to the GoFundMe Page.

    It is a sad time for your club, and despite our rivalry, its heartbreaking to see.

    I have been thinking for a few days, on ways I could help. And I have come up with an idea which I hope you’ll come On board with.

    My idea is to organise a charity football match between Scunthorpe United fans against Grimsby Town fans. I would also have Supporters going around with buckets to raise money.

    Currently I am unsure off a venue, but if your on board with my idea, I can make this happen.

    I look forward to hearing from you all.

    Great idea, and thank you for your support!

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274488
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    All respectable forums need a target/ focal point and with Hilton possibly moving on there’s currently limited contenders.

    I don’t think it’s anything to do with ‘need’. That suggests that forum members go hunting for someone to be negative about – and that’s not what I’m seeing here (and it’s certainly not what I’m doing myself). The whole Scunthorpe United situation has been a shitshow in 2023 – and it has featured multiple direct or associated participants. Amongst opinions on any other aspect of that shitshow, it is wholly reasonable for members of this forum to comment on anyone involved, and it’s entirely reasonable to have an opinion either way on anyone involved.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274485
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    …there needs to be some consequences from his actions.

    Exactly this.

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274483
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    Here’s me thinking we all wanted unity and to move forward with no division

    As I said earlier I’m with 64 on this. Unity is of course the ideal and I’d hope that the supporters can more or less get there. But you cannot just ‘move on’ – that effectively hands people who shouldn’t have one a ‘get out’ from accountability. Things have gone on from a couple of people which were serious and actually affected the atmosphere and the situation, and they need looking at and dealing with rather than brushing under the carpet.

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274479
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    You’re at risk of acting like those you are criticising.

    Really?

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274471
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    As for Herbert, he shows no sign of contrition, the club should have distanced from his antics as unofficial spokesman and I have no faith he’d change his ways.

    Totally agree with this. There has been aggressively provocative behaviour (spreading lies, doxxing, throwing insults, general shit-stirring and piss-taking, and throwing a journalist’s phone onto a football pitch). It has even inspired death threats. All of it hugely and directly contributed to the nasty atmosphere around the Hilton reign. There really does have to be accountability, imho. Lifetime ban.

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274470
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    I agree that for the majority of fans who were duped forgiveness and moving on is possible, given their connection to Hilton was minimal. I don’t think bans from the terraces are necessary. However, for others who associated themselves with Hilton, I would like to see some contrition. It’s not about being right, but making sure we learn from our mistakes and ensure we’re not here again for a 3rd time (presuming the takeover happens or with a phoenix club). It’s about rebuilding trust for those who made very bad errors of judgement.

    I have no gripes with Elliott as a fan, but he did make errors in haranguing fans suspicious of Hilton, saying they should unite behind a man they had suspicions about, calling fans twerps and spreading rubbish about Hilton being attacked outside the Iron Bar. All the while, burners were abusing at this point and built upon his words. Elliott also appeared with Hilton at that fan’s forum, as a means by Hilton to shore his position, I believe. I have been told that Elliott regrets falling for it all, but it would be nice if we saw an apology for his error of judgement so we can at least hope he has learned from it all. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    As for Herbert, he shows no sign of contrition, the club should have distanced from his antics as unofficial spokesman and I have no faith he’d change his ways. As much as it’s important we don’t get too bogged down with “I told you so’s” from Hilton sceptics, learning and modifications of behaviour cannot be all one way. Those who fully bought in, especially among those who tied themselves to Hilton, should also demonstrate a willingness to learn from this so trust can be earned. Action, by taking steps to demonstrate this (like making an apology), speaks louder than assurances.

    You talk a lot of sense, here, and I found myself nodding along with parts of your post.

    Elliott appearing alongside Hilton at the forum may be something that, as you say, shored Hilton’s position in some ways. It also perfectly illustrates a point I made too – about Elliott inserting himself in things to appear to be a figurehead. Cosying up to power to give the impression of being powerful. I’m sure he “regrets falling for it”, much the same as I imagine Sharp “regrets falling for it”…

    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274466
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    Yes, I agree Mark you’re right , so people can pretend they care about unity in order justify past actions that they encouraged and to justify people being rewarded for extreme reckless and disgusting behaviour that led to death threats ,doxxing and journalists being physically attacked I’ll take back what I said above

    I’ve thought about this a lot, and I’m with 64 on it. There’s a bit of a psychological mess to clear up. The wider calls for peace and unity going forward I agree with – supporters need to stand together as best they can. But this ‘new unity’ absolutely should not mean a free pass or a shield to hide behind for people like the phone-thrower or those berating and browbeating on Hilton’s behalf. There was some serious stuff going on as a consequence of that.

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    in reply to: This saga is unending but I hope it resolves like this #274465
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    It is perhaps worthy of note that S.E. didn’t join the new Board.

    I wonder if he asked to join? Or was asked.

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    Nice to see you lads getting stuck in early lol… “Morons”

    That’s not necessary, imho.

    Personally I’m not “getting stuck in”. I’m only offering the same opinion that I would have offered whatever circumstance and whatever his position. That could have been bloke on the terrace, local journalist, catering manager, programme seller, Director, ball-fetcher or whatever. I’d still say that I thought he was in it for his own ego and profile. That opinion is based on observation, not plucked out of thin air for the sake of “getting stuck in”.

    I’m completely prepared to be wrong, to be proved otherwise… But when you stand back and look at it, his main thing seems to be little more than elevating himself and inserting himself in things, and absolutely making sure he’s visible and perceived as a figurehead (eg. last night’s photo in the hospital with Jimmy Dean). That’s ego.

    This year, he hasn’t really done anything else other than browbeat people to support Hilton. I don’t understand why people think he’s a saint, or would be a good bet for running the club.

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    At the very least Elliott should make some serious apologies if he wants to get involved with the board room ever again. There will be anger and disgruntlement from some quarters without it, and with justification after his social media comments.

    I also think Apollo is right in that he doesn’t have the money to help sustain the club.

    Yes, I agree with that as well. To be honest, I’m not even sure what he could offer the club anyway, at that level?

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    Jason Herbert needs binning off for starters. I saw the video of him throwing Aiden Mccartney’s phone and then wonders why he was pissed off.

    I’d rather it all wasn’t constantly raked over though in all fairness. I’d rather get everybody united.

    The phone thing is reason enough for him to get banned forever, imho.

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    Nobody at all who has sided with Hilton against fans should ever be allowed near the boardroom or terraces, the disgusting abuse aimed at some of my/our friends and others on here and other platforms thanks to their dog whistles, using their elevated position amongst fans is in my opinion the worst thing to come out of this short Hilton era

    My guess is you’re referring to the potential of Simon taking over? If so, I’d have to say I agree. It’s not something I’d want, after the way things have gone in the last several months. Browbeating people to support Hilton.

    I’ve always thought he was playing politics to elevate his position – right from his early days when he appeared out of nowhere and was suddenly everywhere, courting popularity. Not sure he’s got any money anyway – looked to me like Sharp was useful to him at the right time.

    The ambulance chasing photo on Twitter tonight (him with a hospital bed bound JD) kind of says it all, for me, and was the end of it as far as any benefit of the doubt is concerned. It felt like a cynical political campaign manoeuvre. Don’t trust him, I’m afraid.

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    Interesting that both blame the fans of the club for their own failings.

    They’re both about 5’6″ aren’t they?