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  • #296004
    fans6464
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    Is this true?

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    No!

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    IronageIron Age
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    No!

    Including your own?

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    Why were Hitlers beliefs wrong and our beliefs right?

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    assume you acknowledge though?

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    No!

    Including your own?

    Absolutely!

    Not that I have any (in the sense of the OP) but I don’t care a tuppeny toss whether people do or don’t.

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    No. You don’t have to respect everyone’s beliefs. Some things that people believe are outrageous or vicious or harmful etc But we should at least start from the premise that we can respect everyone .. then we can address the issue of beliefs in the right manner.

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    Respect everyone? Absolutely not. Surely respect is earned

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    From me to you 64 …earn some!!

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    I am sure I have

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    Not by deliberately divisive generalisations and identity politics. Respect should be afforded to everyone and shouldn’t really have to be earned … not until it is forfeited by provocative statements, labelling and denigrating others simply because they don’t fit your worldview.

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    “…provocative statements,labelling and denigrating others”….thats rich coming with your track record!

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    Still not over it, Bill? None of those things were applicable to our interactions. None of my observations were intended to label, denigrate or provoke you… only to help. The fact that they have touched such a deep nerve is a great sadness to me. Your analysis is that I was malicious and arrogant as you have repeatedly said. If that were true then the best thing for you to do …according to our shared creed .. is to forgive and move on. Yet you don’t. Every now and again you raise it again ..and in public for all to see. Tell me again how there’s not a mismatch between stated belief and behaviour and, therefore, some healing work to be done? That’s all I was offering and I wish you all the best.

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    “The fact that they touched such a deep nerve is a great sadness to me!”
    All I required was an apology to a person you hardly knew!
    But your patronising,pompous arrogance wouldn’t even allow you to say sorry.
    A “sorry” ,”I was wrong and ask for you to forgive me for my mistake” ,would have been met with a respect of high proportions.

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    “world view” you’re turning into BPG

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    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    I wasn’t wrong. For a couple of months, at least, you had been relentless in trying to show me the supposed ‘failings of my doctrine’ and were sending me endless videos of teachers ‘proving me wrong’ … sometimes 2 per day. When I hinted that I didn’t appreciate the direction of travel you ignored me. When I asked you to stop you simply continued.I started to feel like a person would if they were being stalked. I decided to try to offer you help. I didn’t do it maliciously and still believe it to be correct. If you disagree then ..forgive me my perceived arrogance and malice ..and move on. At the very least don’t keep dredging it up in public.

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    Your account is very biased ,but if you think I was “over the top”,your character attack was uncalled for and unnecessary ( as you say we had theological differences),but to attack me with items when you hardly knew anything about me was uncalled for. I will apologise if you didn’t appreciate my posts,but I would be grateful if you also conceded your post was also in error,and a post saying we disagree and we should go our own separate ways would have been more satisfying to both parties. The problem was you resorted to a character attack .

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    Dredging it up in public, JI it’s what cranks do, give it up you don’t need forgiveness from a religious crank like bill, he’s a lost cause end of.

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    The spirit of Christmas is still alive and well I see. Jesus Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey, so you are!

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    Your account is very biased ,but if you think I was “over the top”,your character attack was uncalled for and unnecessary ( as you say we had theological differences),but to attack me with items when you hardly knew anything about me was uncalled for. I will apologise if you didn’t appreciate my posts,but I would be grateful if you also conceded your post was also in error,and a post saying we disagree and we should go our own separate ways would have been more satisfying to both parties. The problem was you resorted to a character attack .

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    I am sorry for e mailing you. It clearly didn’t help anyone. I didn’t ‘attack your character.’ I genuinely thought I could help but it seems I was wrong. You are right that I didn’t know you very well and so have been surprised by the strength of your response. I never expected this to go on for so long. Its certainly been a learning curve for me. We definitely disagree on several issues so it would be great if we can move on.

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    “I didn’t attack your character.”
    Oh yes you did! To deny that is laughable to the extreme.
    It has been a learning curve for me also,and I also am sorry you e mailed me. To be subjected to your patronising,pompous,arrogance has been a hurtful experience and hopefully you don’t hurt too many more in the future. Your lack of apology to nip this in the bud shows your character to the full.

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    Ah well, Bill. We see things differently. I’m sorry I can’t satisfy you over this. I did say that I’m sorry that I e mailed you. I can’t go further than that. I genuinely wish you all the best.

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    “I’m sorry I can’t satisfy you over this”. You can! By apologising for your post.
    I also state I am sorry you e mailed me! Hope you aren’t as vindictive to your next Christian with a different view. God bless and all the best.

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    Does this mean you both are going to hell? JI do yourself a favour email bill and tell him to do one, you don’t need anymore hassle off this bitter man, he really isn’t worth it and you certainly don’t need anymore crap from him on here and neither do the rest of us need to read it. Just an opinion.

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