Will you be my fwiend ?

[64]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64116796

[Siderite]

A lot of people foolishly thought we could deal with Russia on a diplomatic basis back then. It was wrong, but this was before the worst of Putin was known. Some have stalled in treating them as hostile even now.

[Deereyme66]

juvenile whataboutery.

[Siderite]

I don’t see the whataboutery?

[Deereyme66]

The OP is juvenile whataboutery in my opinion

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TwoWrights

[64]

you’ll have to explain why Today’s story about Blair on the BBC is whataboutery,it doesn’t follow on from ay other topic at all. It’s about Blair’s need to be a statesman above all else. Not sure it follows as whatabotery on any topic w’re discussing,which in my opinion has to be part of “whataboutery”

[Deereyme66]

I don’t ‘have to’ explain the whataboutery but I will. It’s in the context of the juvenile subject title using ‘fwiend’ and you as a poster frequently criticising Blair and the current Labour Party led by Starmer being ‘Blairite’, and using an archive BBC piece to go out of your way to undermine the the credentials of the current Party (because you don’t like it) by pointing your finger and not explicitly, but implicitly, signalling ‘what about Blair, what about Blair?!’. For it to be ‘whataboutery’ it doesn’t necessarily need to follow directly on from another post or be linked to one. It’s the whole context. It would be a bit a bit simple in discourse otherwise.

[64]

what are you on about?,this “archived” came up today when I went on the BBC. It appears you don’t like your lying backstabbers pals being critiqued

[64]

If I mention Blair ,it’s whatabouery ,even if I don’t follow on a thread with it to try and deflect? That makes no sense.

[Siderite]

I think he’s saying it’s whataboutery because he thinks you’re using it to deflect from Russian sympathies from other left leaning figures more to your worldview (not saying you are like this here).

Personally, I don’t find this to be damning of Blair. This was 2001 when Putin was more unknown, his problems not yet as evident, so I don’t blame him so much in trying to cause some reconciliation between nations at the time. The issue is among those who have continued to apologise and excuse after Putin’s intransigent hostility became more evident.

I find more to blame in Blair for his palling with corrupt and authoritarian regimes since PM (e.g. Egypt) than this for similar reasons. These countries have exposed their inadequacy now and he has no problem with it.

[Deereyme66]

64 wrote:

If I mention Blair ,it’s whatabouery ,even if I don’t follow on a thread with it to try and deflect? That makes no sense.

My opinion. If it makes no sense to you, so be it. Many of your posts makes little sense to me in messaging or legibility. Maybe there would be less confusion if they were easier to understand and decipher what your point is?

[64]

lol historic whatabouery,it’s a new thing I guess.
it’s a story about Blair trying to be mates with powerful people including Putin and US presidents.But I’ll take the Putin thing if he feels it’s relevent.Blair the great spilled the beans on his motives on a recent documentary when he told about how he went to parliament as a kid and decided that day he wanted to be an MP,showing that his only ambiton ever was personal. that aside he did some good things but owed too many favours to bad people like Murdoch

[Deereyme66]

64 wrote:

what are you on about?,this “archived” came up today when I went on the BBC. It appears you don’t like your lying backstabbers pals being critiqued

‘Lying backstabbers pals’. Wow, that’s really deep. If you’re going to ‘critique’ Starmer and the current Party set up you could make an effort.

[Deereyme66]

‘he went to parliament as a kid and decided that day he wanted to be an MP,showing that his only ambiton ever was personal.’

Lol, when is an ambition not personal?!

[64]

“Lol, when is an ambition not personal?!” good point.
I assume most people join a party to help bring about a society they would like, he did it to try be an MP ,It’s not a starting ambiton I want in an MP.

[Siderite]

God forbid a PM act as a statesman. Interacting with other nations and trying to forge relations is part of the job.

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Heath

[Deereyme66]

I haven’t seen the programme but I’d be very surprised if he formed an ambition to be an MP, just for the sake of being an MP. But you wouldn’t want to credit him with his ambition being anything more than that would you. Thing is, even if anyone presented evidence to you to demonstrate that this ambition was more than those simple terms, you’d just say he’s a liar, so it’s pointless arguing the case with you.

[Deereyme66]

‘to help bring about a society they would like. Do you have evidence to prove that wasn’t part of his thinking?

[Northumbiron]

Everyone wanted to be a fwiend of Il Duce when he came to Britain a century ago….

The Surprising Fans of Mussolini and his Trip to London in 1922

[Heath]

Please post below which of the following achievements by a Labour government that you disagree with.

Then you can reflect further on your vote for Brexit and your lack of support for the next Labour government.

Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
Employment is at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
Free eye test for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

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TwoWrights

[TwoWrights]

As to the OP I have little doubt if ‘the darling of the left’ Tony Benn was still around, he’d be happy to hear the news. Jaw jaw not war war was one of his sayings.

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