Which miracle do you believe?

[billpuntonsghost]

It’s a simple question. Do you believe the miracle,there was nothing then there was something,and you can get life from non-life.. or do you believe the miracle,in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? One must be true.

[Iron-awe]

I believe in the Colin Blunstone version of events.

[Siderite]

[Heath]

Tough call. Like me, VAR wasn’t around at that time.

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

It’s a simple question. Do you believe the miracle,there was nothing then there was something,and you can get life from non-life.. or do you believe the miracle,in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? One must be true.

It could turn out that either of them is correct, even your preferred version. My preferred version could be correct, do you agree?

[Iron-awe]

TwoWrights wrote:

billpuntonsghost wrote:

It’s a simple question. Do you believe the miracle,there was nothing then there was something,and you can get life from non-life.. or do you believe the miracle,in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? One must be true.

It could turn out that either of them is correct, even your preferred version. My preferred version could be correct, do you agree?

He can’t agree, God won’t let him, he’s in his head innit.

[Deereyme66]

‘Which miracle do you believe?’

Experience tells me to give up on the one I keep hoping for.

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The question suggests miracles are fact

[billpuntonsghost]

If one is true,a miracle( what we understand as a miracle) must have occurred.Therefore a miracle is fact,unless you can give a reason why you object to the word miracle in this instance?

[Deereyme66]

Where you from, you sexy thing?

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[Iron-awe]

bill likes his chocolate hot, no miracle involved just a microwave.

[billpuntonsghost]

..maybe Gurnelista has the answer? Sensible answers always welcome.

[Deereyme66]

I provided a sensible question.

[TwoWrights]

Deereyme66 wrote:

I provided a sensible question.

As did I, answer came none.

[billpuntonsghost]

I opened with a question,but you didn’t answer it,Deereyme66? I will gladly answer yours,when you give your reply to my opening post.

[billpuntonsghost]

“It could turn out that either of them is correct..” One of them must be correct,not both,Twowrights.You know this and obviously can give a reason why you side with one ,not the other?

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

“It could turn out that either of them is correct..” One of them must be correct,not both,Twowrights.You know this and obviously can give a reason why you side with one ,not the other?

I believe the universe and everything in it was created by nature, and not by a God. I could be wrong, could you be wrong in believing that God created the universe verse and everything in it?

Oh and I don’t need miracles, I saw my team win away at Arsenal and Spurs in the same week.

[Gurnelista]

Ah, the debating soc again…

Bill, most sensible folk don’t accept that ‘miracles’ exist, at least in the god-given supernatural sense.

Importantly, we shouldn’t think that just because we can’t understand or fully explain something, that it must be evidence of a god at work (if ‘scientific’ evidence matters at all to the religiously inclined). For example, I can’t properly explain to you how my tv or radio works, but I know it isn’t down to magic, or a deity transporting him/herself through the ether to a box of miracles! I know there’s a scientific explanation, even though I don’t know what it is.

I also know there are many natural phenomena which are gradually being explained to us, as scientific knowledge of the Earth, planets, and life advances, thanks to some great investigative science. You only have to listen to say, Cox, Packham, or Attenbrough to hear explanations of evolution in layman’s terms, to understand we know far more now than even just 10 years ago, never mind what our parents or grandparents’ generation knew.

There are lots of complicated papers online about the biology and chemistry involved in the creation of bacteria and simple cells. There’s also a good thread on it here.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-first-uni-cellular-microorganism-come-into-existence-on-Earth-which-eventually-led-to-all-the-other-organisms-on-Earth

Or, you can dismiss it all and say it was because of some Latin folklore creature described in a book called the ‘bible’, who worked his magic, Harry Potter-style.

The pleasures of a simple, comforting explanation should not be underestimated. Come to think of it, it’s a bit like the way some folk still think, or rather believe, that all Britain’s woes at present are down to small boats, immigration and the EU, rather than 14 years of economic mismanagement by Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss!

[billpuntonsghost]

I will not say anymore than comment on “ most sensible folk don’t accept that “miracles” exist”. You accept you can get something from nothing,you also accept you can get life from non-life. Sensible is not how I would describe your belief “ miracle’s” don’t exist.
The word of God in the Bible explains your foolishness,with the words,”For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen,being understood by what has been made,so that people are without excuse.” Your reply I don’t believe in the Bible is explained in Romans chapter 1.
The truth is repentance and Faith Alone ,in Christ Alone will bring you peace with God. I bring this “Good News” to all who want to accept this gift from God.

[TwoWrights]

And still answer came none. If your God has always existed why can’t the building blocks of the universe have always existed? I don’t hold out much hope of answer as I’m still waiting for one to my original question.

[Heath]

2 days later and nothing has changed. You either believe in God or you don’t. You either believe in miracles or you don’t. You either believe in your “truth” or you don’t.

Nobody wants to hear your “good news”.

[billpuntonsghost]

Einstein proved the universe is not eternal (always existed). Truth is not what you are seeking.

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Einstein proved the universe is not eternal (always existed). Truth is not what you are seeking.

Still no answer, I suspect there won’t be either as you daren’t admit all you believe in could, just could, be wrong.
Oh, and I didn’t claim the universe had always existed, just that the building blocks for it could have always existed.

[billpuntonsghost]

“Oh, and I didn’t claim the universe had always existed,just that the building blocks for it could have always existed.”
These building blocks,where did they come from ? Did they come from nothing?

[billpuntonsghost]

..these building blocks you refer to is just another name for the Creator of all things. You are talking about GOD!

[TwoWrights]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

..these building blocks you refer to is just another name for the Creator of all things. You are talking about GOD!

In your opinion, in my opinion I’m talking about science/nature. I could be wrong, you’re not brave enough to admit you could be wrong.

[billpuntonsghost]

“ in my opinion I’m talking about science/nature.” You claim there was nothing then there was something.You claim there was non-life then there was life. Even if you ask a child they would all put there hand up and say this is impossible.

[billpuntonsghost]

I claim ,in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. God is eternal,he is the first cause. He revealed himself in real time,performed miracles to prove he was God, was killed,rose again to prove he was God.

[billpuntonsghost]

Jesus Christ claims in 2 Timothy 3:16,all scripture is God breathed..
The Good News is Repentance and turning to Christ,by Faith Alone will bring eternal life. “The wages of sin is death,the gift of God is eternal life,through Christ our Lord.”

[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

“ in my opinion I’m talking about science/nature.” You claim there was nothing then there was something.You claim there was non-life then there was life. Even if you ask a child they would all put there hand up and say this is impossible.

A singularity does not mean nothing. There is no consensus on what was there before the Big Bang, but most think all matter in our universe was confined to an incredibly small space. What it was is unknown, but there are many different ideas, and nothing to do with matter appearing from nothing.

The creationist view of God magicking the Universe from nothing suggests this though. And I say creationist and not Christian, because many Christians do accept the Big Bang and some astronomers, who are perfectly good Scientists, believe in a god.

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